I'm SCARED

Nice! And very true...

But... they were talking about accidentally injecting a vein, and what would happen, cause the guy was worried about messing up his shot. That's what brought it up.

Yeah, IM is pretty darn safe... first shot I did, I had a hug top bubble so I could inject ALL of the oil, and when the air went in, I heard it hissing. Pretty funny, and I ain't anywhere near dead yet. But I didn't hit a vein either...



Rod said:
Who gives a shit how much air injected into a blood vessel will cause death? We are talking about IM injections. A common method for preventing the med from seeping back out is the air bubble injection technique. By drawing about 1cc of air into a syringe before you give an IM injection prevents seepage of the med into the more sensitive subcutaneous layers thereby preventing soreness and loss of med. Another way to prevent seepage of med is to use the Z-track injection technique.
 
Ha ha ha... DUDE!!! you must do better than this, my weight pumping bro...

This is where bad info comes from. This guys site (not a doc) is about taking drugs, and he's only giving out general advice. Permit me to quote:

BUT if you HAVE TO inject drugs, be careful because:

You might damage your blood veins. It may be very painful. You should inject in different areas on your body, not just one area.

You might get air bubble in your blood.
The air in blood could be dangerous and may make your heart stop.

You may have too much drug in your blood and have an overdose (OD) Overdose could kill you.



Okay, so that's pretty lame... whoever Vicdeaf is, he's talking about intrevenious injections, and in some cases, I've seen druggies get INSANE and go for an artery... yep, that can kill for sure.

Clinical evidence is what we are talking about, reliable sources, not some guy with a website. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and most of them stink.

Facts are harder to find. Err... like p#ssy!! But they taste and feel really good? (grin)

I'm almost tempted not to respond with facts until you come up with a better source...




dolfe1 said:
Here ya go buddy. :D

http://www.vicdeaf.com.au/drugsAlcohol/documents/3.InfoKit-Injecting.doc
 
Neodavid said:
Nice! And very true...

But... they were talking about accidentally injecting a vein, and what would happen, cause the guy was worried about messing up his shot. That's what brought it up.

Yeah, IM is pretty darn safe... first shot I did, I had a hug top bubble so I could inject ALL of the oil, and when the air went in, I heard it hissing. Pretty funny, and I ain't anywhere near dead yet. But I didn't hit a vein either...

If you aspirate you can be certain that you are not in a blood vessel. Like someone said the key is to ASPIRATE! Injecting 1 cc of air IM is a good way to reduce seepage thereby increasing tolerability of IM injections.

I think that we may be unnecessarily scaring the shit out of this poor bloke who came to us to get reassurance that he doesnt really have a lot to worry about with his first injection. :D Good job Dolf. ;)
 
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Yeah! That's why I'm fighting with "Shut the F*ck up" about this. (grin)

Fear and ignorance, man... fear and ignorance...



Rod said:
If you aspirate you can be certain that you are not in a blood vessel. Like someone said the key is to ASPIRATE! Injecting 1 cc of air IM is a good way to reduce seepage thereby increasing tolerability of IM injections.

I think that we may be unnecessarily scaring the shit out of this poor bloke who came to us to get reassurance that he doesn’t really have a lot to worry about with his first injection. :D
 
Neodavid said:
Ha ha ha... DUDE!!! you must do better than this, my weight pumping bro...

This is where bad info comes from. This guys site (not a doc) is about taking drugs, and he's only giving out general advice. Permit me to quote:

BUT if you HAVE TO inject drugs, be careful because:

You might damage your blood veins. It may be very painful. You should inject in different areas on your body, not just one area.

You might get air bubble in your blood.
The air in blood could be dangerous and may make your heart stop.

You may have too much drug in your blood and have an overdose (OD) Overdose could kill you.



Okay, so that's pretty lame... whoever Vicdeaf is, he's talking about intrevenious injections, and in some cases, I've seen druggies get INSANE and go for an artery... yep, that can kill for sure.

Clinical evidence is what we are talking about, reliable sources, not some guy with a website. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and most of them stink.

Facts are harder to find. Err... like p#ssy!! But they taste and feel really good? (grin)

I'm almost tempted not to respond with facts until you come up with a better source...

Vicdeaf is my great uncle jackson, that's as reliable as it gets! And don't make shallow threats with your erroneous information.
 
Well I did it and I am still alive!!!
My biggest fear was the needle but it wasn't that bad. I was shaking like a BITCH but it was time to man up and do. Thanks for all that helped and screw you guys who scared the shit out of me lol. Anyway wish me luck, time to grow!!
 
Thick Rick said:
Well I did it and I am still alive!!!
My biggest fear was the needle but it wasn't that bad. I was shaking like a BITCH but it was time to man up and do. Thanks for all that helped and screw you guys who scared the shit out of me lol. Anyway wish me luck, time to grow!!

ya notice any tingling or swelling in your nads? if not, ya should be just fine... welcome bro... :D
 
Thick Rick said:
Well I did it and I am still alive!!!
My biggest fear was the needle but it wasn't that bad. I was shaking like a BITCH but it was time to man up and do. Thanks for all that helped and screw you guys who scared the shit out of me lol. Anyway wish me luck, time to grow!!
welcome to the other side.............11
 
Neodavid said:
... first shot I did, I had a hug top bubble so I could inject ALL of the oil,...Pretty funny, and I ain't anywhere near dead yet...
Well it takes time bro.

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Rod said:
If you aspirate you can be certain that you are not in a blood vessel. Like someone said the key is to ASPIRATE! Injecting 1 cc of air IM is a good way to reduce seepage thereby increasing tolerability of IM injections.

I think that we may be unnecessarily scaring the shit out of this poor bloke who came to us to get reassurance that he doesn’t really have a lot to worry about with his first injection. :D Good job Dolf. ;)

Obviously Rod is the only one with any sense here, I was just fucken around obviously! So get the fuck out with your claims of ignorance, anyone can find anything on the net, I could find information disproving the sun.

p.s. pussy has never been hard to find for myself :D
 
Nah, your just a small minded insulting dolt with self esteem issues.

But I'm just fucking around... obviously.


dolfe1 said:
Obviously Rod is the only one with any sense here, I was just fucken around obviously! So get the fuck out with your claims of ignorance, anyone can find anything on the net, I could find information disproving the sun.

p.s. pussy has never been hard to find for myself :D
 
Dude, I honor your honesty and vulnerability. It takes a brave man to face fears, and you did it. (takes no courage to do a thing you aren't afraid of)

I had a pro inject me in the thigh the first time, and he was so good, I felt nothing. Then when it was my first time, man, it was WEIRD, cause I've never experienced 'sweating' over something before.

I was a little nervous, put the needle to the skin, and broke out in a sweat! Ha ha ha... that was so weird it made me laugh, which broke the tension, and I shoved the little bugger in right away, no pain, nothing... sheesh, what a let down! (grin)

Fear sucks, but you beat it. Way to go man. That's what makes a man, facing fears.


Thick Rick said:
Well I did it and I am still alive!!!
My biggest fear was the needle but it wasn't that bad. I was shaking like a BITCH but it was time to man up and do. Thanks for all that helped and screw you guys who scared the shit out of me lol. Anyway wish me luck, time to grow!!
 
dolfe1 said:
Obviously Rod is the only one with any sense here

Dolf you are smarter than I took you for. ;)

Way to go Thick Rick! Now all you have to do is force feed yourself huge amounts of food and train hard. ;)
 
I am here to settle up once and for all the bubble question. I have been a paramedic for 6 years now and I am also a med student. I have started more IVs than most of you have had hot dinners made. SMALL AIR BUBBLES WILL NOT KILL YOU! They wont evn make you sick. They get forced into solution in you blood long before they reach your heart. If this were not true I would have personally seen about 500 people die in the back of my ambulance. It takes an entire length of IV tubing (about 5ccs) to possibly cause a problem. That still might not kill you.

Bottom line, get all the bubbles out you can but dont sweat the small ones. I will be happy to start an IV on myself and let little air bubbles flow directly into my vein in front of any of you to prove this point. Hell, we'll make a live web broadcast out of it.
Jayce
 
Small air bubbles will not kill you. Doctor told me it would take at least 20cc's of air to do any damage. But in all try your best to get the air bubbles to the top of the syringe and then squirt them out and you'll be fine.
 
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