I'm SCARED

jayce said:
I am here to settle up once and for all the bubble question. I have been a paramedic for 6 years now and I am also a med student. I have started more IVs than most of you have had hot dinners made. SMALL AIR BUBBLES WILL NOT KILL YOU! They wont evn make you sick. They get forced into solution in you blood long before they reach your heart. If this were not true I would have personally seen about 500 people die in the back of my ambulance. It takes an entire length of IV tubing (about 5ccs) to possibly cause a problem. That still might not kill you.

Bottom line, get all the bubbles out you can but dont sweat the small ones. I will be happy to start an IV on myself and let little air bubbles flow directly into my vein in front of any of you to prove this point. Hell, we'll make a live web broadcast out of it.
Jayce
I've been in the medical field for eight years and started out as a paramedic before moving up as well and have started thousands of IV's.....love to watch the peoples faces when those air bubbles get close to going in, they think they are dead for sure......Is it just me or am I the only one here that knew dolfe was bullshitting all along?? It was so obvious and then someone wants to try and get in a pissing contest over it...funny shit!!! :D
 
Southernjuice said:
I've been in the medical field for eight years and started out as a paramedic before moving up as well and have started thousands of IV's.....love to watch the peoples faces when those air bubbles get close to going in, they think they are dead for sure......
I love that look. ROFLMMFAO!!!
Jayce
 
Thick Rick said:
Well I did it and I am still alive!!!
My biggest fear was the needle but it wasn't that bad. I was shaking like a BITCH but it was time to man up and do. Thanks for all that helped and screw you guys who scared the shit out of me lol. Anyway wish me luck, time to grow!!
Good job Rick !!! Piece a'cake eh?
 
Funny because there are idiots on forums who put out bad info?

Nah, that isn't funny. That's egomanical, or trolling... rather rude, actually, wasting other people's time, scaring a guy who's already scared... That's what losers do because they have nothing to contribute.

I don't think it can be described as a pissing contest when correcting bad information (when someone attacks the person themselves, sure).

But I'm not so convinced he just didn't back down in the face of the truth.


Southernjuice said:
I've been in the medical field for eight years and started out as a paramedic before moving up as well and have started thousands of IV's.....love to watch the peoples faces when those air bubbles get close to going in, they think they are dead for sure......Is it just me or am I the only one here that knew dolfe was bullshitting all along?? It was so obvious and then someone wants to try and get in a pissing contest over it...funny shit!!! :D
 
Neodavid said:
Funny because there are idiots on forums who put out bad info?

Nah, that isn't funny. That's egomanical, or trolling... rather rude, actually, wasting other people's time, scaring a guy who's already scared... That's what losers do because they have nothing to contribute.

I don't think it can be described as a pissing contest when correcting bad information (when someone attacks the person themselves, sure).

But I'm not so convinced he just didn't back down in the face of the truth.
I hear you bro but hang around meso for awhile and you will find this sort of hazing commonplace and well recieved by the sick bastards like me that feed off the teet that dolfe and chipolta provide on a daily basis..I'm just sorry I had to work all day and missed out on the fun.

Good job sticking yourself bro..I actually couldnt wait for the first one but needles never bothered me..now that fucking camel spider is a different story :(

Pats
 
dolfe1 said:
Be careful not to let any air in, even the smallest air bubble in your vein will go directly to your heart and kill you almost instantly.
holy shit dolfe I am LMFAO for 10 min, no wonder why i dont feel alive everyone told me air bubbles were ok, shit I wish I would of listened to you, that they will kill you instanly,
 
Neodavid said:
Nah, your just a small minded insulting dolt with self esteem issues.

But I'm just fucking around... obviously.

Just a weak attempt at a character assassination fueled by your disconcertion. With that being said I apologize for embarrassing you.
 
patsfan said:
I hear you bro but hang around meso for awhile and you will find this sort of hazing commonplace and well recieved by the sick bastards like me that feed off the teet that dolfe and chipolta provide on a daily basis..I'm just sorry I had to work all day and missed out on the fun.

Good job sticking yourself bro..I actually couldnt wait for the first one but needles never bothered me..now that fucking camel spider is a different story :(

Pats

Don't get me started on the camel spider. lol :eek:
 
dolfe1 said:
Don't get me started on the camel spider. lol :eek:
stick it in the scrotum bro dont hurt at all, I never done it but there was this nut case on here a while back that tried it and said it works wonders!, it was posted on the old meso
 
You didn't embarass me. My best buddy is a kidder, and I don't mind kidders, once I'm convinced of their intentions.

My buddy has a good heart, he can get away with anything because of it.

But he had good judgment and wouldn't ever intentionally scare someone he didn't know, hence my temporary doubt of your sincerity.

Bullies and assholes don't care about hurting people. Honest kidders would never hurt or scare anyone they don't love. My bud gave me a black eye, but it was not a problem. Someone else giving me a black eye might be a problem.

It's not too hard to figure a persons motivation by how they treat others, whether with respect, or out of believing they are the center of the universe, uncaring, unfeeling... those are the kinds of guys I dont' respect. You can't respect someone who won't respect others, who doesn't think of anyone but themselves and how they look.

If we were in person this would be easy, but on a forum, it's hard to tell whether you are a dick, or an okay guy, so I leave that to the future. Everyone has their faults, and we all live with each other as we are.

For now it appears to me you can put out the heat but not take it. In my experience, someone with a good heart doesn't start insulting people as you did, for believing you, and for speaking the truth against the lies you were putting out. Making fun of others for believing what you wrote, when they didn't know you, is fun for those in on the game, but I find it emotionally immature to then have a bad attitude towards those you played your game on then, later.

If you knew my heart, I could simply have said:
Hey, your lonely, small minded, and immature, seeking attention any way you can get it... you are 9 years old...

But you don't know me, so I'll just say, nice one, for pulling that over my eyes, won't happen again bud (smile).





dolfe1 said:
Just a weak attempt at a character assassination fueled by your disconcertion. With that being said I apologize for embarrassing you.
 
Hey Rick,

We have all been there dude. I have a unique story on what helped me. Believe it or not, I did an AOL search for nurses and happen to spoke to one that was visiting my hometown. She was very nice. I asked her all sorts of questions.

When she came to my town she had no problem inviting me to her hotel room despite me never talking to her on the phone and never meeting her at her hotel room. I guess I have a certain charm with the ladies:)

She had friends there but I didnt mind it. So I pulled down my pants, showed her my butt and she injected for me. Then with her observing I did the same in my other butt cheek. I was still nervous for short time doing it on my own. However I will never forget what she did to help me cope with this nervousness. I will always have a special place for her because of what she did to help me.

K-
 
You didn't embarass me. My best buddy is a kidder, and I don't mind kidders, once I'm convinced of their intentions.

Be honest, you are embarrassed.

My buddy has a good heart, he can get away with anything because of it.

I also have a good heart.

But he had good judgment and wouldn't ever intentionally scare someone he didn't know, hence my temporary doubt of your sincerity.

Who are you to question my judgement and who did I scare? If anything I was giving caution.

Bullies and assholes don't care about hurting people. Honest kidders would never hurt or scare anyone they don't love. My bud gave me a black eye, but it was not a problem. Someone else giving me a black eye might be a problem.

No one got hurt, I don't love anyone here(ok maybe a couple of you guys), and I don't blame your buddy for giving you a black eye, your incessant babble probably provoked him.

It's not too hard to figure a persons motivation by how they treat others, whether with respect, or out of believing they are the center of the universe, uncaring, unfeeling... those are the kinds of guys I dont' respect. You can't respect someone who won't respect others, who doesn't think of anyone but themselves and how they look.

My motivation was to make a funny. :p I get a plethora of respect here and consequently return it simultaneously.

If we were in person this would be easy, but on a forum, it's hard to tell whether you are a dick, or an okay guy, so I leave that to the future. Everyone has their faults, and we all live with each other as we are.

No need to wait, I will tell you now that I am "an okay guy" and there might be a few here to vouch.

For now it appears to me you can put out the heat but not take it. In my experience, someone with a good heart doesn't start insulting people as you did, for believing you, and for speaking the truth against the lies you were putting out. Making fun of others for believing what you wrote, when they didn't know you, is fun for those in on the game, but I find it emotionally immature to then have a bad attitude towards those you played your game on then, later.

I'm not the one crying, who can't take the heat? I don't recall insulting anyone, I was however on the recieving end of a couple slanderous remarks from yourself. I don't have a bad attitude towards you, I can appreciate your zeal no matter how asinine.

If you knew my heart, I could simply have said:
Hey, your lonely, small minded, and immature, seeking attention any way you can get it... you are 9 years old...


And if you knew my heart those words would be fallacious.

But you don't know me, so I'll just say, nice one, for pulling that over my eyes, won't happen again bud (smile).

Don't be so confident, I can be deceptive. Advice, if you don't like spiders don't open a thread that says sexy pic. ;) I have no hard feelings, and I hope you can say the same, I guess I don't have the passion that you have for refuting death by air bubbles.
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply.

you:
Be honest, you are embarrassed.

me:
Nope, I'm 44, and the worst kidder of them all. I'm the net admin at a large corporation, where on a regular basis my users get e-mails like "Please move this icon to your desk and double click as soon as possible". That one flipped thier screens upsidedown... Another one told them they had just destroyed the main server... I'm having to get sneakier and sneakier. Buggers don't trust me anymore.

I would be embarrased had you left any clues within your message that it was fake, but you wrote it straight. I can't be embarrased for believing there is another moron in the world (I'm not calling you a moron, I'm saying it's easy to think, "Oh, here's another idiot who knows nothing spouting off as if he does". If you had left clues, I would have thought it clever and enjoyed it.

you:
I also have a good heart.

me:
Okay.

A reminder that everyone thinks they do for the most part, just like everyone always thinks they are right, for the most part. (Why would anyone think something that they thought was wrong)

You certainly get points for a thoughtful reply, and I'll assume the best on the motivation (the problem being everyone wants to look good).


You:
Who are you to question my judgement and who did I scare? If anything I was giving caution.

me:
Who are you to say moronic things on a forum when a guy flat out tells you he is scared. If that doesn't trigger any thoughts of caution in you man, I can't help you.

Caution is truth (what you said was no truth at all, so no caution at all).
True truth can cause fear, but you lied, without a hint you were kidding, except by way of guys who know you are a kidder. That isn't truth, and has no reason for that guy except to cause fear, and for the rest of us who don't know you, you took a chance and wasted our time.

Next time leave some clever hints you are joking, then you can sit back and mock and say you pulled one over, and I'll laugh my ass off at being took fair and square.

Then I might be embarrased.

I think I'm more aggravated you are acting as though we should have known, when there wasn't any way to know, unless I had known YOU previously.

you:
No one got hurt, I don't love anyone here(ok maybe a couple of you guys), and I don't blame your buddy for giving you a black eye, your incessant babble probably provoked him.

me:
Ah, ad-hominem... nice.

(gloves coming off temporarily)

Can't take the heat when someone calls you on it? Huh...

Resorting to personal insults... like the one where you say no one has any sense here (except the one guy), WHEN IN FACT... everyone was responding to your posts, taking you seriously... because you didn't have the creativity of a door knob, to give out hints that you were just messing around!

gosh, I pulled a good one, Billy joe bob, I dun tol that guy PA would shoot him if he came back. An he din't even know PA was dead! HA HA HA...

(gloves back on)

There, now you know if you bitch about my incessent babbling, you get more of the same. Now go lay by your dish. :)

you:
My motivation was to make a funny. :p I get a plethora of respect here and consequently return it simultaneously.

me:
Okay, I'll take your word on it. No one seems to be arguing with you.

You know, I've found in life that I can like or dislike almost anyone. It's up to me, not them. When I found out how lousy a driver my wife was, I was shocked. I thought all nice people cared enough about others to use their blinkers and obey the law in general. She's the sweetest person I know, but completely oblivious to her bad driving.

Faults and foibles we are all full of. See your remark about my babbling.

I have time, and like to talk, can your testosterone levels handle it? My temper and patience get a bit short going to 750 of test a week. I'm on full dose now, so don't piss me off, I can type 90 wpm.

you:
No need to wait, I will tell you now that I am "an okay guy" and there might be a few here to vouch.

me:
A few already did, by their laughter. My bet is a few silent ones were aggravated. But that's okay, stirring the pot.

you:
I'm not the one crying, who can't take the heat? I don't recall insulting anyone, I was however on the recieving end of a couple slanderous remarks from yourself. I don't have a bad attitude towards you, I can appreciate your zeal no matter how asinine.

me:
(oh geez, gloves off again)

Crying... huh... I thought it was more like dressing down a moron for being a dick, disrespectful and unthoughtful to others...

But I can see why you would want to call it crying... that's what everyone does nowdays, renames a thing and imagines that somehow changes things. That rose doesn't smell good anymore cause I just called it a forklift. Hey, honey, I got you a dozen forklifts...

I prefer to think of it as having the guts to put myself out there in front of a guy who acted like an ass by the things he said AFTER he pulled the joke. The joke was bad enough without insulting everyone else after... you only get to do that when you put CLUES in man, you gotta be creative. It's no fun just to lie, you got to THINK.

I'm only bitching now because you complained of my slanderous remark.

IF you were paying attention, they followed and were prompted by YOUR slanderous remark...

To which I gave the same excuse of deniability you offered, visa vi, "I was just fucking around".

Therefore, you expect others to take it, but won't take it yourself... I find that on the edge of hypocritical, however I did set the trap, knowing human nature. You just fell for it.

I guess I win, mine was more creative. Trapped you with your own words.

(just having fun in this post by the way, nothing truly insulting meant)

In all honesty I just enjoy words and wordplay, and fucking around with people. I just do it better than most (likely only because I take the time).

my previous statement:
If you knew my heart, I could simply have said:
Hey, your lonely, small minded, and immature, seeking attention any way you can get it... you are 9 years old...


You said:
And if you knew my heart those words would be fallacious.

me:
Hey, probably true. Words on a page suck, especially when you are trying to get to know someone. Like I said, I know I can like or dislike anyone by choice. It's just a matter of whether or not I choose to overlook the things I see as their faults. Ironically my main fault is probably in judging anyone for anything.

In this case I just wanted to push you back a little to see what you were made of. That's how I get to know people.

In Jr. High we had a bully, Jeff Becker. He was a terror with a wet towel in the locker room. Had to hide your nards... If you snapped him back, he became a brute. He was an asshole. My buddy, he smacked me one, so I smacked him back. We laughed. He's a good guy.

You bothered to respond, rather than take the easy insulting road. So hey, I figure you are probably okay, and need to point out that I don't take my opinions very seriously anyway, even if I thought you were a jackass. This is my daily entertainment, and apparently some of the troops are likewise being amused, so why not.

you:
Don't be so confident, I can be deceptive. Advice, if you don't like spiders don't open a thread that says sexy pic. ;) I have no hard feelings, and I hope you can say the same, I guess I don't have the passion that you have for refuting death by air bubbles.

me:
Oh, I would be disappointed if you didn't try to pull one over on me now. I'd feel left out.

I'm slightly psychotic about truth. Lifelong problem... sick and tired of seeing all the lies, and don't want others to suffer for years believing the ones I believed.

Take training, for instance. If Mike Mentzer wasn't dead already, I'd want to kill him myself. The asshole wasted years of my life making me think HIT was the one and only way. I thought I was a hard gainer.

So if you want to get me going, spout off some shit... but next time, PLEASE put in some hints so I can have that 'shit, he just pulled the wool over my eyes' feeling, and not the 'bastard just flat out lied' feeling.

Actually either would work now that I know a little of what your about.

And with that, I believe we just wore this subject and thread, bare.
 
Neodavid said:
Nice! And very true...

But... they were talking about accidentally injecting a vein, and what would happen, cause the guy was worried about messing up his shot. That's what brought it up.

Yeah, IM is pretty darn safe... first shot I did, I had a hug top bubble so I could inject ALL of the oil, and when the air went in, I heard it hissing. Pretty funny, and I ain't anywhere near dead yet. But I didn't hit a vein either...

Thats not a bad idea accually...I usually use a 22g 1 1/2in pin. I figure that there's probably about 0.2ccs that you can't get out cause it stays in the tip and needle. I think I might try keeping 0.1-0.2ccs of air in the syringe so I can push out all the oil. Sometimes I don't think twice about shooting, but there are other days maybe like when I'm tweaked from thermos that I really don't want to do the shot. On days like that I find that popping a benzo about 45min before the shot really takes the edge off. I would recommend that for someone who's about to do their first shot but scared as hell. The first one I did I almost passed out afterward. I had to sit on the toilet with my head between my legs for a min or so. Then I got up and laid in my bed for a few min. After the first one it was no big deal.
 
Man, that's funny, isn't it? The fear factor man... We should keep this thread going and ask everyone to tell their virginal experiences.

22g, 1.5 inch? DAMN man... I am a whimp. I use 25g 5/8 inch, for several reasons (all of which may be wrong...)

First, I don't want to stick in a knitting needle. I want something that reminds me of a misquitoe when I start pushing into the skin.

I always take it up near the hip joint at the top of the thigh, and the advantage of the 5/8 is, that's too deep for a vein (they are near the surface), and WAY too short for an artery. I have never aspirated, cause it's impossible for me to hit anything (yeah, I will get in trouble for saying that, but can I remind everyone that my wife is the freaking head of the ER at the largest hospital system in several cities?).

BUT!!! The Caveat to all of this is, you have to do is SLOWLY with any small gauge. As someone pointed out earlier, the pressure coming out of a needle that small is enough to damage muscle tissue and cause scarring (read painful and detrimental 'forever'). That's why I take 45 seconds to a minute (timed it last night) to inject 2 cc's of test.

And that's OIL, which is thick, so if you do water soluables, you REALLY have to be careful, or you can do internal damage to the tissue.



Buff Diddy said:
Thats not a bad idea accually...I usually use a 22g 1 1/2in pin. I figure that there's probably about 0.2ccs that you can't get out cause it stays in the tip and needle. I think I might try keeping 0.1-0.2ccs of air in the syringe so I can push out all the oil. Sometimes I don't think twice about shooting, but there are other days maybe like when I'm tweaked from thermos that I really don't want to do the shot. On days like that I find that popping a benzo about 45min before the shot really takes the edge off. I would recommend that for someone who's about to do their first shot but scared as hell. The first one I did I almost passed out afterward. I had to sit on the toilet with my head between my legs for a min or so. Then I got up and laid in my bed for a few min. After the first one it was no big deal.
 
"And with that, I believe we just wore this subject and thread, bare."

Do you really belive there is nothing left to be said or is this just a passive attempt to get the last words? It seems this is now a competition based on the statement "I guess I win." Very eloquently put I must say. Please, elaborate. :)
 
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