Improvement in Endurance training with peds

[bossetti]

It’s around 42 sometimes lower and I often reach 44 after altitude camp

You have a good margin if you dont want to risk stay at 50 but there is a guy from denmark that was called mR sixtIIeS
What is ur ftp?
Weekly training time on average?
@Benf15harp (the goat) posted a log on epo i think its a good starting point

 

[nokiro]

You have a good margin if you dont want to risk stay at 50 but there is a guy from denmark that was called mR sixtIIeS
What is ur ftp?
Weekly training time on average?

Yes I saw that you shouldn’t get above 50 or you get flagged.
FTP is around 5,8wkg and I train around 22h a week this winter without the training camps

 

[bossetti]

Yes I saw that you shouldn’t get above 50 or you get flagged.
FTP is around 5,8wkg and I train around 22h a week this winter without the training camps

Amazing numbers lol age?

 

[nokiro]

I am last year u23

 

[nokiro]

But those numbers are not enough to win
I saw Ben’s log but how do you think I should use EPO to avoid detection? I wa going for 500ui eod for 2weeks and stop one week before the race but I don’t know if that is still detectable on race day

 

[bossetti]

I am last year u23

Im first year but mtb lol im gaining so much wats even rn that im natural because im growing and in the past i had some hearth issue (not really big but was reducing power output) it reduced with growth and rn seem to be much better
Im doin z2 at 270w lol

 

[nokiro]

Im first year but mtb lol im gaining so much wats even rn that im natural because im growing and in the past i had some hearth issue (not really big but was reducing power output) it reduced with growth and rn seem to be much better

I saw your power chart. It is good for first year. I was a bit lower I think at this age and then with the racing experience it goes up really fast at this age

 

[bossetti]

I saw your power chart. It is good for first year. I was a bit lower I think at this age and then with the racing experience it goes up really fast at this age

How much time do u sleep? Btw i edited the message above lol

 

[nokiro]

Your z2 is high ! Doing high z2 ride seems to be the new training method now. And it seems to work well for the big teams.
I sleep consistently 8-9hours I do everything perfectly outside of the bike.

 

[nokiro]

Do you have a coach ?

 

[bossetti]

Do you have a coach ?

Yes but its a bit of time that i have to do a new test and the old was indoor (my biggest issue is heat management) so was low and now since december im dropping every friend also pure climbers in climbs during z2 rides lol
But i dont do only z2 in winter twice /3 a week do some intervals

 

[malfeasance]

Yes I saw that you shouldn’t get above 50 or you get flagged.

95% of this forum is above 50. We would all be flagged. But you are a pro bicycle competitor, with hematocrit of 42, while the rest of us would get winded trying to climb the first hill. It makes me wonder how important a high hematocrit number is to your sport.

How much of an advantage would it really offer if you were at 49?

 

[bossetti]

95% of this forum is above 50. We would all be flagged. But you are a pro bicycle competitor, with hematocrit of 42, while the rest of us would get winded trying to climb the first hill. It makes me wonder how important a high hematocrit number is to your sport.

How much of an advantage would it really offer if you were at 49?

A lot tbh i have seen i study that 1% hct improvement should be like 0.8 ponts added to vo2max (it isnt probably accurate)
The 50 % rule is stupid because u can say u are dehydrated and 1) its all ok or u can have time to hydrate urself trough iv and be exactly less than 50 (its even permitted if u feel dehydrated lol) and there is someone who is 50+ natural so would be flagged btw what is the safe max hct? 56/57?

 

[malfeasance]

Well, steroids will definitely drive up your hematocrit, but it will get you banned, too.

As somebody who stays over 50 and has had to drain his own blood before because the blood donation place said his hematocrit was too high, I cannot imagine taking something like EPO.

If those 1% per .8 on the VO2 max is close to accurate, then that is a lot.

But I would lay 100 bucks (lire) down on a bet that the VO2 max of this forum on average sucks.

Yours is probably outside the norm high because of your sport.

 

[malfeasance]

Resistance training induced increase in VO2max in young and older subjects - European Review of Aging and Physical Activity

It is an undeniable fact that resistance training (RT) is a potent stimulus for muscle hypertrophy and strength gain, but it is less understood whether RT can increase maximal aerobic capacity (VO2max). The purpose of this brief review is to discuss whether or not RT enhances VO2max in young...

eurapa.biomedcentral.com

Bottom line: weight training only increases VO2 max if yours sucked when you started

 

[bossetti]

Well, steroids will definitely drive up your hematocrit, but it will get you banned, too.

As somebody who stays over 50 and has had to drain his own blood before because the blood donation place said his hematocrit was too high, I cannot imagine taking something like EPO.

If those 1% per .8 on the VO2 max is close to accurate, then that is a lot.

But I would lay 100 bucks (lire) down on a bet that the VO2 max of this forum on average sucks.

Yours is probably outside the norm high because of your sport.

So 56/57 u dont risk too much death right?

 

[malfeasance]

So 56/57 u dont risk too much death right?

A 5% increase in hematocrit resulted in an age-adjusted hazard ratio of total VTE of 1.27 (95% CI: 1.01–1.60) in women, 1.46 (95% CI: 1.15–1.84) in men, and 1.35 (95% CI: 1.17–1.55) in both genders pooled together (Table 3). In men, the association remained significant in the multivariable model adjusted for age, smoking, and BMI (hazard ratio: 1.33, 95% CI: 1.05–1.70). When analyzing the related hematologic variables, hemoglobin and RBC count were significantly associated with increased risk of VTE, whereas MCV did not show any association with VTE (Table 3)

Hematocrit and risk of venous thromboembolism in a general population. The Tromsø study - PMC

Hematocrit above the normal range for the population, such as in primary or secondary erythrocytosis, predisposes to both arterial and venous thrombosis. However, little is known about the association between hematocrit and risk of venous ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[malfeasance]

Similarly, men with a hematocrit of 46% or more had a 1.54-fold higher risk of total VTE (95% CI: 1.08–2.21) and 2.37-fold higher risk of unprovoked VTE (95% CI: 1.36–4.15) compared to those with a hematocrit less than 43% (P for trend: 0.01 and 0.002, respectively).

 

[malfeasance]

hemoglobin

men with a hemoglobin 15.6 g/dL or more had a 1.6-fold (95% CI: 1.14–2.24) higher risk of total VTE and 2.2-fold higher risk of unprovoked VTE compared to men with whose hemoglobin concentration was less than 14.7 g/dL (P for trend: 0.01 and 0.003, respectively) (Table 4).

 

[bossetti]

hemoglobin

men with a hemoglobin 15.6 g/dL or more had a 1.6-fold (95% CI: 1.14–2.24) higher risk of total VTE and 2.2-fold higher risk of unprovoked VTE compared to men with whose hemoglobin concentration was less than 14.7 g/dL (P for trend: 0.01 and 0.003, respectively) (Table 4).

What was ur max hct? U would feel safe with 56%?