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[Gus138]

Lr3 is useless. It’s a completely different peptide. Real HGH is now cheaper than ever before. I don’t know why people are bothering with other peptides that aren’t effective.

Why you say its useless? Just wondering? Ive seen studies done that it works just fine for muscle building purpose. And hgh doesnt work for everyone. Some people dont get much help by it for some reasons and thats why igf is needed for them to raise igf And also hgh can only raise your igf so high. Exogenous igf will surpass that barrier and raise it much more. But ive heard a few other people say this about lr3. Then ive heard people say they ran lr3 n couple aas and gain 15-25lbs in 4 or 5 weeks and say nothing but good stuff. Igf-1 has 70 amino acids and lr3 has 83. They take they same igf molecule and add the lr3 part to basically extend half life. Similar concept to testosterone suspension and testosterone cyp or enan, etc..

What your reason for thinking this??

 

[Wunderpus]

Lr3 is useless. It’s a completely different peptide. Real HGH is now cheaper than ever before. I don’t know why people are bothering with other peptides that aren’t effective.

Even if it doesn't stimulate direct muscle growth - which we are still unsure of -, my understanding is that it does, in fact, increase insulin sensitivity (I'll need to do some digging to find any data on this). Whereas hGh decreases insulin sensitivity... When used in conjunction, at least in theory, they ought to be synergistic in this way. Insulin sensitivity, or lack thereof, seems to be one of the biggest factors in lean mass growth.

If one were to use high levels of hGH, wouldn't it be worth the "risk" to increase it's effectiveness by adding Lr3 to the stack? If you'd prefer, there are other obvious ways to increase insulin sensitivity (berberine, anadrol, ALA, cardio, etc.), but we should look at all options.

 

[Wunderpus]

Igf-1 has 70 amino acids and lr3 has 83. They take they same igf molecule and add the lr3 part to basically extend half life. Similar concept to testosterone suspension and testosterone cyp or enan, etc..

Not really... Adding an ester to the testosterone molecule isn't the same as modifying the IGF-1 molecule. These small differences actually can totally impact the bioavailability/ efficacy of the product.

The degree in which it changes the efficacy seems to be a bit unknown.

 

[Gus138]

Not really... Adding an ester to the testosterone molecule isn't the same as modifying the IGF-1 molecule. These small differences actually can totally impact the bioavailability/ efficacy of the product.

The degree in which it changes the efficacy seems to be a bit unknown.

Ok makes sense. I used that example bcuz thats what i was taught. But i understand that its definitely not the same thing lol. But i do feel like igf lr3 has to work if it the right kind and made through right process. Or else there wouldnt be so many good reviews about it. Dave palumbo says he used it around the time it was first getting popular and he feels it made major differences and i really trust alot(not all) but majority of his knowledge.

 

[Wunderpus]

Ok makes sense. I used that example bcuz thats what i was taught. But i understand that its definitely not the same thing lol. But i do feel like igf lr3 has to work if it the right kind and made through right process. Or else there wouldnt be so many good reviews about it. Dave palumbo says he used it around the time it was first getting popular and he feels it made major differences and i really trust alot(not all) but majority of his knowledge.

Hard to say, truly. My guess is that it likely works via insulin sensitivity when used with hGH and exo. insulin... I don't think it would do MUCH on it's own.

 

[Gus138]

I dont respond well to gh thats why im looking into igf so much. And i dont rwally kno a ton on insulin. Cuz im sure insulin alone would really help me. But i have no idea on how to start using it and what kind.
And i also run high blood sugar in AM fasted. Like 99-110. And that started happening before i used gh. And now i use it, it still like that...

 

[Wunderpus]

I dont respond well to gh thats why im looking into igf so much. And i dont rwally kno a ton on insulin. Cuz im sure insulin alone would really help me. But i have no idea on how to start using it and what kind.
And i also run high blood sugar in AM fasted. Like 99-110. And that started happening before i used gh. And now i use it, it still like that...

Unlikely insulin alone would be helpful... What do you mean you respond "poorly" to hGH?

 

[Jankauskas]

Even if it doesn't stimulate direct muscle growth - which we are still unsure of -, my understanding is that it does, in fact, increase insulin sensitivity (I'll need to do some digging to find any data on this). Whereas hGh decreases insulin sensitivity... When used in conjunction, at least in theory, they ought to be synergistic in this way. Insulin sensitivity, or lack thereof, seems to be one of the biggest factors in lean mass growth.

If one were to use high levels of hGH, wouldn't it be worth the "risk" to increase it's effectiveness by adding Lr3 to the stack? If you'd prefer, there are other obvious ways to increase insulin sensitivity (berberine, anadrol, ALA, cardio, etc.), but we should look at all options.

What’s the deal with anadrol and insulin sensitivity?

 

[Wunderpus]

What’s the deal with anadrol and insulin sensitivity?

Exactly what you think it is.... Anadrol increases insulin sensitivity.

 

[Wunderpus]

What’s the deal with anadrol and insulin sensitivity?

Oxymetholone ameliorates insulin sensitivity in maintenance hemodialysis patients: a randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Jankauskas]

Oxymetholone ameliorates insulin sensitivity in maintenance hemodialysis patients: a randomized controlled trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Would it beneficial to run anadrol during a cycle for the whole duration at a low dose to take advantage of this or would it still be too much for the liver.

 

[Gus138]

Unlikely insulin alone would be helpful... What do you mean you respond "poorly" to hGH?

I meant insulin combined with gh. But even doing pharm gh i see and feel very little positives and lots of sides. My body has always seemed to not be very receptive to aas/ped's but i get lots of sides. That includes lower, moderate dosages. (Highest gh does ive done is 5iu 5on 2 off,) i dont have money or the want to go much higher.

 

[Wunderpus]

Would it beneficial to run anadrol during a cycle for the whole duration at a low dose to take advantage of this or would it still be too much for the liver.

I wouldn't do it, no...

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I dont respond well to gh thats why im looking into igf so much. And i dont rwally kno a ton on insulin. Cuz im sure insulin alone would really help me. But i have no idea on how to start using it and what kind.
And i also run high blood sugar in AM fasted. Like 99-110. And that started happening before i used gh. And now i use it, it still like that...

Might be that your livered is impaired and doesn’t convert gh to igf-1