Is ephedra still available?

[keptquiet]

ok, its been a while. I used to buy this stuff to help control my weight and it worked wonders. It was the stuff you could get at the convenience stores / gas stations. after reading and some research, i guess it was the ephedra sinica brand with added caffine, similar to an ECA stack. It was available in a small white pill bottle and the tablets were quite small as well. i dont remember the exact name of it, but they were in every gas station you went in.

now i do know it was banned, reversed, then banned again a year or two ago. bottom line is, it was a miracle cure on helping me drop weight.

can it be obtained via prescription or anything now? is it legal in canada or anywhere? is there anything any better out there?

 

[Gibbster]

Yup...... I'm going to pick some up again next week.

 

[keptquiet]

ill try the Xenadrine RFA-1. ill get some today and see whats up with it. short of getting on the meth (lol), i ordered some powdered Ma Huang which is herbal ephedra sinica, which was the origional that got banned in pill form. Its the plant that the pills were made of, i guess you can make tea from it or whatever, same results, increased metabolism, energy, etc.

They said they sold to a lot of gyms without me even asking anything related to that. not sure yet though if it will work. ill let you guys know, suppose to be in any day now. watch me overdose and have a heart attack on some nasty tasting tea, now that would be fucked up.

still going to get the ritalin as well....

 

[keptquiet]

ok. the xenadrine-rfa1 is no longer available. i got some powdered mu haung, or ephedrine sinica, from an herb store. supposedly the same thing in plant form. i made a cup of tea from it, so far, nothing. used a tablespoon of powder, and 1 cup water. so far, nothing. its been two hours and not even a tweak. i ordered a capsule machine so i could fill my own capsules if i just took it that way. i cant find out if thats the best way or even how many capsules it would take to get the required mg to get the effects i am after. any ideas anyone?

i found this on another message board. this seems to be a lot of work, and i dont know what washing even means. basically what is says? wet the stuff?

"For anybody interested I finally found a proceedure to extract the alkaloids from the powder, seems like a ball-ache tho:

The ephedrine and pseudoephedrine alkaloids can be removed from Ephedra extract or Ma Huang with up to 96 percent efficiency.

Grinding the plant material into a fine powder and washing three times with methanol-at a ratio of 425 grams of plant material to 200 milliliters of solvent per "wash"-will yield 1 to 2 percent ephedrine and pseudoephedrine combined. The methanol washings can be collected and allowed to evaporate, leaving a greenish-brown, tar-like substance.

Removing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine from extract tablets is a similar but one-step process with a greater yield of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine tablets normally contain 25 milligrams of ephedrine. One thousand ephedrine extract tablets weigh approximately 457 grams and require 350 milliliters of solvent for extraction, yielding approximately 5 percent ephedrine. By comparison, pseudoephedrine tablets normally contain 60 milligrams of pseudoephedrine. One thousand pseudoephedrine tablets weigh approximately 119 grams and also require 350 milliliters of solvent, but the extraction process yields approximately 50 percent pseudoephedrine, by weight, because of the greater percentage of pseudoephedrine in the tablets."

somebody out there has to have done this before!! its been a couple years since the ban! lol

 

[Crunkgold]

Ok if you want Ephedrine go to your local store and pic up BRONKAID or Primatene. Its for people who have asthma. Bronkaid has 25mg of Ephedrine sulfate. You might have to show your ID to buy it by law. They are trying to keep the crack heads from making it into meth.

 

[keptquiet]

is BRONKAID pretty much the same stuff as the older ephedra based stuff?

I looked it up, and its active ingredients are:

Ephedrine sulfate 25 mg. Bronchodilator
Guaifenesin 400 mg. Expectorant

which i found here http://www.bayercare.com/bronkaid.cfm (Bayer Consumer Care Products - Bronkaid)

Now, it doesnt say Ephedrine HCL like the gas station stuff, which i have come to find out is synthetic?? Is Ephedrine Sulphate and HCL the same?

I also saw on another websearch on BRONKAID that it has been discontinued?

 

[LifeSize]

Man, I used to love that stuff. One dose in the morning, and I was good to go all day long. And the appetite supression, it was amazing!

ditto!

is BRONKAID pretty much the same stuff as the older ephedra based stuff?

I looked it up, and its active ingredients are:

Ephedrine sulfate 25 mg. Bronchodilator
Guaifenesin 400 mg. Expectorant

which i found here http://www.bayercare.com/bronkaid.cfm (Bayer Consumer Care Products - Bronkaid)

Now, it doesnt say Ephedrine HCL like the gas station stuff, which i have come to find out is synthetic?? Is Ephedrine Sulphate and HCL the same?

I also saw on another websearch on BRONKAID that it has been discontinued?

You can buy bronkaid at the pharm, but you need to ask the pharmacist for it. Yes it's sort of the same thing. People react differently with guaifenesin..


DNP is the fat burning drug for me. Ohh and Test/Tren and a food regiment didn't too shabby either. I had a murmur when I was a kid so I worry a bit, plus stims raise my bp..

 

[sakguy]

tfsupplements carries a bunch of eph products. I ordered clenbutrine (yea I know, nice name right) and it said 10mg ephedrine alkaloids on the site, but when I got it, it was actually standardized for 25mg ephedrine alkaloids per cap. I got 100 caps for 29.95. It's also an eca product! bonus

 

[keptquiet]

ok, i took 6 size 00 capsules (larger ones) of pure powder with hardly any effect. the old ephedra tabs used to make my head crawl. loved that!

i might try the tea thing tomorrow. i got some bronkaid today. ill give that a shot too. probably try it first and see.

my local supplement store still sells the original formula for Xenadrine RFA-1.

It's a different name (generic) and under the counter but it's exactly the same thing

hey gibbster, whats the generic name? pm if you want...

 

[bally]

An ECA stack is a popular combination of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin that can make an energy booster to aid in weight loss. Making your own stack is a cheaper way to use supplements to lose weight. To make your own ECA stack, follow these steps.

SupplementSource.ca

Step 1

Buy ephedrine 8mg, 50 tabs online. It is easier to buy online anyway as many stores don't stock it

Step 2

Caffeine comes in white pills 200mg in strength 100 tablets. A pack of 100 tablets will usually run about $7 . Caffeine can make you jittery. In this stack, it makes the energizing affects of the ephedrine more powerful.

Step 3

Purchase coated aspirin. Aspirin can be tough on your stomach when used every day. Coated aspirin tends to lessen these effects. Aspirin is also optional in this stack. It's in it to help balance the energizing affects of the caffeine and the ephedrine.

Step 4

Take one of each pill at the same time, usually in the morning and usually prior to a workout. Start with just one 8mg ephedrine tab increasing the next day to 2 tabs then finally to 3 to test your tolerance. Then move up to two doses and three if you feel your body can take it. This should be done in a cycle. It should be cycled off every six weeks so your body doesn't get used to it and it maintains its effect.

E=Ephedrine 8mg, C=Caffeine 200mg, A=Aspirin

Day 1
1E, 1C, 1A

Day 2
2E, 1C, 1A

Day 3
3E, 1C, 1A

Day 4
3E, 1C, 1A twice daily approx 20 minutes before meals

Day 5 and beyond
3E, 1C, 1A three times daily approx 20 minutes before meals


Tips & Warnings

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If your getting great results with just 1 Ephedrine tablet stick with that, in this case more is not better, you'll know if one is enough.
*
The ECA stack will help you lose fat within the first couple weeks even if you're not exercising. Of course, it will be most effective when combined with a good diet and exercise.
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Ephedrine will suppress your appetite. Try to keep eating to give yourself enough energy to work out and give something for the ephedrine to burn.
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Like any supplement, an ECA stack can be dangerous. The ephedrine alone will speed up your heart rate, but combined with the caffeine, and it can be a little overwhelming until you get used to it.
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Ephedrine will burn fat, but it will also burn muscle if you're not lifting weights or maintaining the proper diet.

Ephedrine and Caffeine are available at SupplementSource.ca

 

[Fate]

ditto!



You can buy bronkaid at the pharm, but you need to ask the pharmacist for it. Yes it's sort of the same thing. People react differently with guaifenesin..


DNP is the fat burning drug for me. Ohh and Test/Tren and a food regiment didn't too shabby either. I had a murmur when I was a kid so I worry a bit, plus stims raise my bp..

do u still have a good dnp source? Also, i don't think bronkaid might be on par with actual ephedrine. Didn't feel shit even on 2 tabs with 400g caffeine in a single dose. Recc. to make it work?

 

[Jeton]

Bronkaid is very much real ephedrine...anyone who wants these oral fat0burning stimulants to kick needs to take them on an empty stomach n not eat anything fer a bit.

i have done the ECA stack, but wonder about switching out the aspirin for l-phenylalanine instead.