Is it worth it to use QSC oils?

[bigboy420]

I'm now thinking I will just spend the money on pharma 1ml ampules as completely reduces any sterility/quality concerns.

Same boat brother

"Edit" nevermind im broke

 

[iris]

A couple of points.

If you can't crimp a vial properly, or use a decent stopper, or prevent vials with visible floaters from reaching customers, what's going on with all the things you can't see? No shortcuts there I'm sure right? You're injecting this shit into your body. I could brew a vial with cooking oil, not sterilize shit, and dribble a little piss into the pot and you're not likely to feel anything.

Hardcore IV drug users are brewing their shit in a dirty spoon and mainlining it, bypassing the immune system, and 99.9% nothing happens from the injection, but cumulative damage, not just from the drug, almost certainly is.

It's a big leap for most to go from drug possessor to drug manufacturer. So filtering is reasonable insurance without going from pathetic (in the eyes of the law) user in need of help to unindited felon. "Brew" may sound like you're making beer, but you could end up drinking prison made Pruno.

They say you can get any level of quality from China you want, as long as you're willing to pay for it. In my mind. another 50¢ a vial would put an end to all this drama. It's absurd when QSC is so good with far more complex products like peptides and now orals.

But you also said there was no sterility problems with those vials.

And if you look at that thread, no matter how many unidentifiable objects people find in the oils, they filter them and that's that.

Readalot said "if enough people want it".
If you look there, most don't give a flying flamingo

 

[iris]

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Were the vials wrapped in plastic in such a way to prevent a leak even if one would get crushed or break? Is the stealth good? I'm terrified of having a package leak in transit, because I live in a rural community where the cops are bored with nothing to do. They'd probably send a swat team and bust my door down over some vials.

I still might order some Tirzepatide GLP1 from QSC. For oils, I still don't know what vendor to choose yet as I haven't ordered anything for years. There is one vendor here that sells 1ml glass pharma ampules from India, but not sure how easy that would get through customs.

Tbf, I don't recollect issues with stuff leaking out of packages.
I might be wrong.
Have a look at that guy's posts, anyway.
I think he does mention something about whether it was visible on the box, too, or not.
I don't remember.

 

[bubba618]

Were the vials wrapped in plastic in such a way to prevent a leak even if one would get crushed or break? Is the stealth good? I'm terrified of having a package leak in transit, because I live in a rural community where the cops are bored with nothing to do. They'd probably send a swat team and bust my door down over some vials.

I still might order some Tirzepatide GLP1 from QSC. For oils, I still don't know what vendor to choose yet as I haven't ordered anything for years. There is one vendor here that sells 1ml glass pharma ampules from India, but not sure how easy that would get through customs.

Yes, each kit had the vials in a plastic zip-loc that they just barely fit into, and the kits were taped together in the box with additional packing material for cushion.

 

[Ghoul]

Were the vials wrapped in plastic in such a way to prevent a leak even if one would get crushed or break? Is the stealth good? I'm terrified of having a package leak in transit, because I live in a rural community where the cops are bored with nothing to do. They'd probably send a swat team and bust my door down over some vials.

I still might order some Tirzepatide GLP1 from QSC. For oils, I still don't know what vendor to choose yet as I haven't ordered anything for years. There is one vendor here that sells 1ml glass pharma ampules from India, but not sure how easy that would get through customs.

Enforcement on stuff from India is pretty tough now. However, the PCT vendors are using alternate methods to bypass that problem, and thus far, packs are flying through.

Same boat brother

I loved ampules for traveling. GA gives away hundreds at a time with minimum purchases of other products. They're good quality.

I was too stupid to know you're supposed to draw from them with a special syringe filter straw. They're cheap, you want to keep glass out. At the least, don't use larger than a 30g insulin syringe.

 

[bigboy420]

30g insulin syringe

Does this exist man? Never again im drawing a amp with a insulin....

 

[Ghoul]

Does this exist man? Never again im drawing a amp with a insulin....

I'm just saying if you're using a 27g or something even larger, you could suck up some good size glass shards, so filtering is a must. No first world (and not even most third world) doc uses an amp without filtering.

 

[TA13579]

I loved ampules for traveling. GA gives away hundreds at a time with minimum purchases of other products. They're good quality.

I was too stupid to know you're supposed to draw from them with a special syringe filter straw. They're cheap, you want to keep glass out. At the least, don't use larger than a 30g insulin syringe.

My favorite back in the day were the Testoviron 1ml Ampules from Iran or Pakistan. The oil was thick (caster?) so I had to use 28g syringe. Hopefully I didn't inject any glass shards

Do you know if GA has good stealth and packaging to prevent leaks? I've given up asking sources about proper packaging for good opsec.

 

[Ghoul]

My favorite back in the day were the Testoviron 1ml Ampules from Iran or Pakistan. The oil was thick (caster?) so I had to use 28g syringe. Hopefully I didn't inject any glass shards

Do you know if GA has good stealth and packaging to prevent leaks? I've given up asking sources about proper packaging for good opsec.

GA is an excellent source. Ignore the drama in the thread. When you look at what they've done, objectively, from day one, is supply a product that always tests well, packaged well, delivered as well as any UGL supplier, and overwhelmingly leaves customers satisfied, at a slightly higher price than QSC.

I get DMd all the time about who I recommend.

Peptides, Oral AAS, Raws: QSC

Cheap, high quality oils: GA

Domestic, premium priced, high quality oils, oral AAS, suspensions.: Stanford

Cheap, good pharma anything: India pharma from PCT24x7, CosmicPCT, PctZone

Premium pharma anything: Turkish pharma from CosmicPCT

 

[PaintDrinker]

To give you perspective. I've been on these forums for over 6 years and still haven't ordered any UGL product. Take your time LOL.

I have not been on meso for 6 years, but I too have never used a meso sponsor haha ig until IL comes..

 

[TA13579]

GA is an excellent source. Ignore the drama in the thread. When you look at what they've done, objectively, from day one, is supply a product that always tests well, packaged well, delivered as well as any UGL supplier, and overwhelmingly leaves customers satisfied, at a slightly higher price than QSC.

I get DMd all the time about who I recommend.

Peptides, Oral AAS, Raws: QSC

Cheap, high quality oils: GA

Domestic, premium priced, high quality oils, oral AAS, suspensions.: Stanford

Cheap, good pharma anything: India pharma from PCT24x7, CosmicPCT, PctZone

Premium pharma anything: Turkish pharma from CosmicPCT

Very helpful, thank you.

 

[DECLAN]

A couple of points.

If you can't crimp a vial properly, or use a decent stopper, or prevent vials with visible floaters from reaching customers, what's going on with all the things you can't see? No shortcuts there I'm sure right? You're injecting this shit into your body. I could brew a vial with cooking oil, not sterilize shit, and dribble a little piss into the pot and you're not likely to feel anything.

Hardcore IV drug users are brewing their shit in a dirty spoon and mainlining it, bypassing the immune system, and 99.9% nothing happens from the injection, but cumulative damage, not just from the drug, almost certainly is.

It's a big leap for most to go from drug possessor to drug manufacturer. So filtering is reasonable insurance without going from pathetic (in the eyes of the law) user in need of help to unindited felon. "Brew" may sound like you're making beer, but you're one argument with your partner, or friend, away from drinking prison made Pruno.

They say you can get any level of quality from China you want, as long as you're willing to pay for it. In my mind. another 50¢ a vial would put an end to all this drama. It's absurd when QSC is so good with far more complex products like peptides and now orals.

This is why I told you before that some of us prefer brewing our own for the sake of controlling the quality of your product.

As for the manufacturing argument, you are dumb if you keep kilos of raws in your own home. Brew only what you need, we have been at it for decades, there is not even one case of homebrewer in the news yet.

 

[iris]

This is why I told you before that some of us prefer brewing our own for the sake of controlling the quality of your product.

As for the manufacturing argument, you are dumb if you keep kilos of raws in your own home. Brew only what you need, we have been at it for decades, there is not even one case of homebrewer in the news yet.

Tbf, though, not all labs are like qsc, for oils.
There are a few here that are doing and testing well.
Don't you think?
Not everyone is in a position where homebrewing is feasible/possible.
Or maybe it's also something they see as too complicated.

Don't you think there are decent options, out there?
Never as good as what you do, but..

 

[Ghoul]

This is why I told you before that some of us prefer brewing our own for the sake of controlling the quality of your product.

As for the manufacturing argument, you are dumb if you keep kilos of raws in your own home. Brew only what you need, we have been at it for decades, there is not even one case of homebrewer in the news yet.

I understand why someone would choose to homebrew, and I still believe the risk for that, providing there's no distribution, is "meh", though "worst case scenario" is much worse than possession, regardless of amount. The reason a leaking vial is terrifying, is because unlike a seizure by the feds, which results in a love letter, local yokels love to make a big deal out of this when one comes their way from the Postal Inspectors. It'll still amount to nothing much, but traumatic, embarrassing, and expensive nonetheless .

I think many if not most are motivated by cost savings. Higher level serious amateur and above BBs like you who want to fine tune their regimen also makes sense.

For the rest of us, small quantity users, TRT types, living situations not conducive to homebrew, UGL produced oils are the only sensible option. Finding a way to take that as a starting point and making it as safe as possible seems reasonable to me.

As far as quality control with homebrew though, that's all over the place. A researcher studied homebrew AAS forums a few years ago. He noted "quality control" was the reason most often cited, yet, when their risk taking shortcuts were pointed out, they almost always justified it, often by saying UGLs do worse.

Full Text of homebrewer study:

https://researchonline.ljmu.ac.uk/id/eprint/7735/1/PEH_122_edit_report%20RAW%20JUICING.pdf

The view on safety from the commercial AAS UGL point of view:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2024.2375014

 

[DECLAN]

I understand why someone would choose to homebrew, and I still believe the risk for that, providing there's no distribution, is "meh", though "worst case scenario" is much worse than possession, regardless of amount. The reason a leaking vial is terrifying, is because unlike a seizure by the feds, which results in a love letter, local yokels love to make a big deal out of this when one comes their way from the Postal Inspectors. It'll still amount to nothing much, but traumatic, embarrassing, and expensive nonetheless .

I think many if not most are motivated by cost savings. Higher level serious amateur and above BBs like you who want to fine tune their regimen also makes sense.

For the rest of us, small quantity users, TRT types, living situations not conducive to homebrew, UGL produced oils are the only sensible option. Finding a way to take that as a starting point and making it as safe as possible seems reasonable to me.

As far as quality control with homebrew though, that's all over the place. A researcher studied homebrew AAS forums a few years ago. He noted "quality control" was the reason most often cited, yet, when their risk taking shortcuts were pointed out, they almost always justified it, often by saying UGLs do worse.

Full Text of homebrewer study:

https://researchonline.ljmu.ac.uk/id/eprint/7735/1/PEH_122_edit_report%20RAW%20JUICING.pdf

The view on safety from the commercial AAS UGL point of view:

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2024.2375014

You’re right, if it’s for trt just stick with your prescription, which I also do. But for other compounds aside from test, which even pharmaceutical manufacturers don’t produce or are troublesome to procure, then brewing is one of the ways to go.

I agree, shortcuts and cutting corners is prevalent and often justified by saying it’s probably what ugls do anyway, but there’s also individuals who have compulsive behaviors to overdo their safety procedures that it would look like over kill to some.

@iris This would boil down to taking the time to do your due diligence and actually research a source history and practice. Stick to a vendor with lots of testing and time in the market without issues and you will be fine I think. They are out there.

 

[iris]

@iris This would boil down to taking the time to do your due diligence and actually research a source history and practice. Stick to a vendor with lots of testing and time in the market without issues and you will be fine I think. They are out there.

Thank you.
I don't recollect seeing you comment on the leaky vials fiasco, earlier.
Ghoul did not answer my questions.
I know you will.

What did you make of it?
Had you received those vials, what would you have thought/done?

 

[egruberman]

Had you received those vials, what would you have thought/done?

I know you didn't ask me, but I would've presumed something went awry with their crimping machine. Then I would've cleaned and examined the vials to establish which were leaking. I'd examine the stoppers closely, probably take some photos and send 'em off to Tracy. If I got some consideration or not would make no difference to me. I'd still order again, and if it happened again, I'd find another source.

Then I'd likely filter the gear into a 30ml sterile vial and call it good.

 

[DECLAN]

Thank you.
I don't recollect seeing you comment on the leaky vials fiasco, earlier.
Ghoul did not answer my questions.
I know you will.

What did you make of it?
Had you received those vials, what would you have thought/done?

I would not buy oil from abroad since I am from Canada, I had my fair share of gambles when I used to order amps a decade decades ago.

But with the if I did and got leaky vials, well, you get what you paid for and we already know the quality of their stoppers since the get go. Only way to make them improve is with your money, if you’re not happy buy from someone else. As long as people are happily buying their products because they think it’s cheap so it’s ok, QSC will just leave it as it is.

Make the statement statement with your cash boys.

 

[iris]

I would not buy oil from abroad since I am from Canada, I had my fair share of gambles when I used to order amps a decade decades ago.

But with the if I did and got leaky vials, well, you get what you paid for and we already know the quality of their stoppers since the get go. Only way to make them improve is with your money, if you’re not happy buy from someone else. As long as people are happily buying their products because they think it’s cheap so it’s ok, QSC will just leave it as it is.

Make the statement statement with your cash boys.

Fair. But regardless of what you paid for:
Since the sterility argument is all the rage, would it have been something of concern, to you?
Would you have not given it a second thought and just filtered it, end of, without getting in touch with whoever sold it to you?

 

[iris]

I know you didn't ask me, but I would've presumed something went awry with their crimping machine. Then I would've cleaned and examined the vials to establish which were leaking. I'd examine the stoppers closely, probably take some photos and send 'em off to Tracy. If I got some consideration or not would make no difference to me. I'd still order again, and if it happened again, I'd find another source.

Then I'd likely filter the gear into a 30ml sterile vial and call it good.

Thanks