Is Meso Losing Its Edge?

[bananafeet]

The issue with AI is it's like talking to a yes man. It just leads you in circles.

I've noticed people have been just copy my reply into ChatGPT to argue with me. I might as well talk to myself.

ChatGPT seems to really appeal to the midwit.

 

[The Answ3r]

So, I finally heard back from the Admin. Long story short, he is standing his ground. He gave me a lecture on the forum mission and protecting the right to complain, claiming my posts in the QSC thread were suppressing feedback. Apparently, I am being sidelined for pointing out common sense.

But reading his response, it is pretty obvious he did not even bother to read mine. The whole thing felt like a sterile, AI generated script. It is the kind of robotic, pre packaged reply you get when someone does not want to have a real conversation. He just hit a button and let a prompt do the talking.

The reality is that free speech here is a one-way street. When moderation turns into an automated script, nuance and facts don't matter anymore. It is just about following a program.

I am not going anywhere, but I will be sitting on the sidelines until April when I get my access back to the Steroid Underground. It is a shame to see a place like this run on autopilot.

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

So, I finally heard back from the Admin. Long story short, he is standing his ground. He gave me a lecture on the forum mission and protecting the right to complain, claiming my posts in the QSC thread were suppressing feedback. Apparently, I am being sidelined for pointing out common sense.

But reading his response, it is pretty obvious he did not even bother to read mine. The whole thing felt like a sterile, AI generated script. It is the kind of robotic, pre packaged reply you get when someone does not want to have a real conversation. He just hit a button and let a prompt do the talking.

I was under the impression that you wanted to have a private conversation not merely performative engagement. So i will make my private message to you public:

"Some things are non-negotiable. MESO-Rx's entire raison d'etre is to protect members' freedom to criticize, complain, and report source problems and misbehavior without fear of censorship or suppression.

"Stopping, suppressing or discouraging customers from doing this, whether intentionally or unintentionally, is not allowed and cracking down on this is fundamental to holding sources accountable.

"The QSC thread has a long history and persistent pattern of suppressing member complaints and overt pro source advocacy.

"I am hoping time will allow you to reevaluate the moderation action accordingly and in the immediate context in which it occurred as well as the context of the qsc thread"

 

[nullandvoid]

Who does this sound like? Any takers?

 

[5ninegymcel]

I’m gonna say this straight. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Moderation used to be about stopping scams and obvious nonsense. Now it feels like walking through a kindergarten with a whistle. “Don’t discuss this here.” “Don’t say that.” And now I’m being told I can’t post in the Q thread until April because I called an idiot an idiot? On a steroid forum?

This is a board built around testosterone, iron, risk, and grown men making grown decisions. Not a book club for feelings management. Since when did this place turn into HR at a corporate office?

Is this the GLP-1 era? Did appetite suppression somehow suppress everyone’s backbone too? It honestly feels like the edges are getting sanded down to make everything safe and controlled. And the more “controlled” it gets, the more lifeless it feels.

People wonder why the forum is quieter. Why the heavy hitters don’t post anymore. Why the guys with actual experience stopped sharing. Maybe because the environment shifted from blunt and honest to tiptoe and sanitize. A lot of the dudes who actually brought value just disappeared. And that’s not random.

You can modernize a platform without neutering it. Progress doesn’t have to mean sterilizing personality and shutting down straight talk. Right now it feels like overcorrection.

At this rate, it’s not trolls killing the forum. It’s death by soft moderation and slow culture shift. And yeah, that’s frustrating to watch.

had a dude on here saying ghk fucking cu is gonna be cardiprotective on cycle like no the fuck it is not are we serious?

 

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Again, I just want to clarify that the current moderation action is specifically about protecting the ability of all members, new and old, to report source-related problems e.g. scams, shipping issues, or other misconduct without being ridiculed, insulted, discouraged from speaking up. It is imperative that MESO-Rx does not create a chilling effect that stops people from reporting sources. That's all the moderation action was about.

However, there are a lot of broader grievances that aren't really about this but still worth discussing. The biggest one I hear is about the teenage lookmaxxers

Ah yes, ban/supress the vets but open the floodgates for the teen retardmaxxers

This here is a prime example of what your knowledgeable members are dealing with meanwhile the guy (Laurcv) still banter's on without regard.

I only started posting recently, but have been lurking for years. This is the issue that I have noticed most. It makes me not want to participate as much when every other thread has some 14 year old telling everyone to use test prop and throwing unhinged kindergarten meltdowns about "boomers" and DHT in broken text speak.

I just report the kiddies and fools trying to find sources in the other forums. Engaging the folks most seem to have issue with is a waste of time, and given the info they are inevitable asking about is already floating around, I don't see the reason folks continue to reply under the guise of 'harm reduction'.

Popularity is up, and things are far less 'taboo' anymore, so there's going to be a lot of it, but ignore/report and move on is the only way forward IMO.

As far as how members engage with them, I agree that behaving rudely is uncalled for. However, I think it would be best for the forum's health if members simply did not engage with them at all, and if staff here would take steps to silence such noise by deleting low quality threads and/or banning obvious "looksmaxxers."

Of course, it's your forum, but I think that if you do not take steps to minimize this kind of noise, you may find that members who can make meaningful contributions are pushed away, and that your forum ends up looking more like a Clavicular TikTok comment section.

I dont know.. I see a lot of kiddies get their posts deleted. I know because I usually make fun of them in my passive aggressive way, and soon my post disappeared because the idiotic thread got removed. So it seems to me they are indeed moderating.

I've had the same experience. It is true that extremely low quality threads or threads in which the poster has admitted that he is underage are deleted quickly. However, I find that the moderating is not going far enough. I've seen quite a few instances in which very young, extremely uneducated, highly disagreeable users are allowed to continue to effectively troll the forum indefinitely without repercussion even after it's become very clear that they are both unable and unwilling to contribute anything of value.

I agree with you that these are growing pains, but I also think the forum is at a crossroads. It is probably tempting to want to grow the user base by allowing the maxxers in, but it will fundamentally change the forum for the worse in the long term.

Important note. The appearance of teenagers is a moderation problem and shouldn't be a community problem. The reason: Minors are not allowed to participate on the forum.

Their accounts are banned. Their threads are deleted.

No engagement is required by the community for the very reasons you guys mentioned above. The only thing we ask is that your click the "report" link to alert us if you come across a minor participating.

This year alone we've been quite busy tackling this problem. We have deleted over 750+ new accounts and 1000s of posts related to these accounts in violation of this policy .

I am happy to hear that a few of you have noticed.

We've implemented ways to minimize but it is an ongoing issue that still requires substantial attention.

I will address more of your grievances as time permits.

 

[bananafeet]

I reckon this isn't a mesorx problem. It's a society problem...

Met a young fella (25) and he asked me if I was still on trt. Anyway the conversation progressed and he told me almost everyone he knows is on gear.

The gyms here get spammed with young dudes. I've had co-workers ask me about peptides. Most people know what "reta" is. Random mums using UGL peptides and "glow" stacks.

I think the market is huge at the moment. Probably worse state side.

It's not a niche community anymore

 

[nullandvoid]

Had a guy pester me to help him get Tirz, and all he's done is just use it without making any lifestyle changes. Drinks himself stupid every night. Eats terribly. Doesn't get enough protein. "I eat keto sometimes" is something he'd say, as if part-time keto was even a thing and somehow magically inflated all protein. We got him a set of labs with some really bad markers.. lipids, hs-CRP... and he just ignored all of it. Model for heart disease. Fine. I cut ties with him. Some people can't be helped, and that's unfortunately (I believe) the majority of how people use these types of compounds. What a waste. It can genuinely assist making true, lasting changes, and people just piss it away.

 

[bananafeet]

Had a guy pester me to help him get Tirz, and all he's done is just use it without making any lifestyle changes. Drinks himself stupid every night. Eats terribly. Doesn't get enough protein. "I eat keto sometimes" is something he'd say, as if part-time keto was even a thing and somehow magically inflated all protein. We got him a set of labs with some really bad markers.. lipids, hs-CRP... and he just ignored all of it. Model for heart disease. Fine. I cut ties with him. Some people can't be helped, and that's unfortunately (I believe) the majority of how people use these types of compounds. What a waste. It can genuinely assist making true, lasting changes, and people just piss it away.

Yeah. Guy at work asking about peptides got angry with me when I said most of these compounds are the garbage the researches threw on the lab floor.

I told him his issues are probably related to lifestyle (drinking, diet) etc and these compounds won't fix him.

He's done no blood tests, no investigation but is willing to throw peptides at the issue.

Seems like this is the new "cure-all".

It's crazy how much money the "wellness community" make....

 

[nullandvoid]

Come on. You can't tell me the guy asking about $350 Test Cyp in the QSC thread doesn't deserve to be bullied...

That's some Brendan Fraser Blast from the Past shit...

 

[BALLISTIC]

Again, I just want to clarify that the current moderation action is specifically about protecting the ability of all members, new and old, to report source-related problems e.g. scams, shipping issues, or other misconduct without being ridiculed, insulted, discouraged from speaking up. It is imperative that MESO-Rx does not create a chilling effect that stops people from reporting sources. That's all the moderation action was about.

However, there are a lot of broader grievances that aren't really about this but still worth discussing. The biggest one I hear is about the teenage lookmaxxers

















Important note. The appearance of teenagers is a moderation problem and shouldn't be a community problem. The reason: Minors are not allowed to participate on the forum.

Their accounts are banned. Their threads are deleted.

No engagement is required by the community for the very reasons you guys mentioned above. The only thing we ask is that your click the "report" link to alert us if you come across a minor participating.

This year alone we've been quite busy tackling this problem. We have deleted over 750+ new accounts and 1000s of posts related to these accounts in violation of this policy .

I am happy to hear that a few of you have noticed.

We've implemented ways to minimize but it is an ongoing issue that still requires substantial attention.

I will address more of your grievances as time permits.

And we were beginning to think you were a bot with auto-generated responses.


Thank you for taking the time to respond. I know that from the outside much of this can appear to be nothing more than banter and complaining, but in truth Meso was once highly revered, and lately it feels like many of the most knowledgeable contributors are choosing to leave for other platforms. Every time I see some of the more intelligent members step away, I find myself wanting to track down where they’ve gone, because I’m not done learning from them. On the same token many if the brightest minds are right here in this thread expressing valid concern. Hanging on for whatever duration they have left in them.

More often than not, it seems to stem from the arrogance or lack of awareness among many of the newer members. That said, I’ve also been hesitant to constantly use the report function because I didn’t want it to come across as if I were the one creating the problem. From my perspective, that can easily shift the narrative to “who’s the real issue here?” However, if you’re encouraging us to make use of that tool, I’ll do so diligently and without emotional reaction moving forward.

If a member has made substantial contributions to the forum as a whole, all I ask is that any potential restrictions placed on them are given thoughtful consideration. At times, being direct or even a bit brash is the only way to communicate effectively in a way that ignorant humans/members can understand.

With that said, I’ll also acknowledge that I’ve been guilty of engaging back-to-back at times, which only perpetuates the cycle. @Millard was genuine in reaching out to me directly, and I respect that. While I’m sure that level of communication is time consuming, it carries weight with me and reflects positively on both the forum and the individuals behind it. I assured him I would refrain and since that time I've just clicked the ignore option.

Again by no means am I a long-term member, but I've been here quite some time and my history even shows when it gets stupid enough around Meso I take months long breaks. I don't feel those who truly contribute should be held to a any different standard, but I do believe extra scrutiny should be taken before action against them.

Best wishes always.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

This year alone we've been quite busy tackling this problem. We have deleted over 750+ new accounts and 1000s of posts related to these accounts in violation of this policy .

That is an absolutely shocking and staggering statistic.

Is that since January or do you mean in the last 12 months?

 

[BALLISTIC]

That is an absolutely shocking and staggering statistic.

Is that since January or do you mean in the last 12 months?

That is crazy because I feel like Meso has diminished so much that it's all of us same gents in a small circle generally.

I'n the meantime if I could get the list of 750 it'll take me all of 2026 to hit the ignore button that many times. I know at least 90 percent are ages 14 to 19. Better yet how many made their age 19 to maintain an account. They speak about it in Reddit too lie so they can be here.

 

[hellerhiwater]

tbh it sounds like he's not enjoying it regularly and compensating for the loss. Kinda like bragging about sleeping with a hooker IMO but I'm not a cuck so not my battle.

you're insulting tons of good dudes literally just hanging out and showing each other their "stuff" (only chill with the "stuff's" permission, to be clear)

its obvious you dont like it, but getting so personal about it is so telling about where your obviously insecure mind is.

just say you're jealous and lonely next time and save everyone some time.

on a more real note, be careful insulting people's families. even online. i know that by putting family "out there" you subject them to that kind of attention, but seriously bro people can take that kind of stuff so much more seriously than you realize and so many people have been hurt irl for getting that personal online, even under the apparent protection of anonymity. i know the beginning of my message was a bit finger-waggy, but this last paragraph is nothing but a sincere offering of my perspective.

 

[abaddon616]

Again, I just want to clarify that the current moderation action is specifically about protecting the ability of all members, new and old, to report source-related problems e.g. scams, shipping issues, or other misconduct without being ridiculed, insulted, discouraged from speaking up. It is imperative that MESO-Rx does not create a chilling effect that stops people from reporting sources. That's all the moderation action was about.

However, there are a lot of broader grievances that aren't really about this but still worth discussing. The biggest one I hear is about the teenage lookmaxxers

















Important note. The appearance of teenagers is a moderation problem and shouldn't be a community problem. The reason: Minors are not allowed to participate on the forum.

Their accounts are banned. Their threads are deleted.

No engagement is required by the community for the very reasons you guys mentioned above. The only thing we ask is that your click the "report" link to alert us if you come across a minor participating.

This year alone we've been quite busy tackling this problem. We have deleted over 750+ new accounts and 1000s of posts related to these accounts in violation of this policy .

I am happy to hear that a few of you have noticed.

We've implemented ways to minimize but it is an ongoing issue that still requires substantial attention.

I will address more of your grievances as time permits.

I emailed you several days ago and haven't heard back. Basically I feel like a warning should be sufficient being that it's the first time I've been corrected on my language and your original email stated (paraphrasing here) if it continues THEN further action might be taken and effect posting in the whole of the underground rather than the Q thread. I can just skip over the posts I take issue with that's not a problem. Thanks

 

[BALLISTIC]

See, it went like this:
I posted one for fun and to help out a vendor who looked like they had some potential.

Vendor liked it
Members liked it
Girl liked it

So then I posted another one when my order came in to commemorate the occasion.

And then it just took off from there.

I will acknowledge it took the thread off topic and should have used better judgement.

You sir once again are a gentleman and a scholar... However if some members did say rude or uncanny things about your girl, that's not respectful. I missed it if they did. It was standard practice when a new vendor debut came about, and yes should be a tradition that remains. I'm your case Mark has feet pics which looked like he kicks bowling balls barefoot. The community as a whole received your offer well, and that's my point, how is something like this inappropriate if the masses agreed. I question the man who concerned themselves with this, as that same person is watching porn one of the greatest societal downfalls of the female beauty.

i still cant believe meatheads on a forum like this complain about tits in a thread. Sign of the impeding apocalypse?

I would offer this, I imagine many of these new members are also part of the misidentification of gender recognition. In a post I read, there was reading discernable the person was here using androgens because they want to be opposite of their assigned chromosomes.

Who does this sound like? Any takers?

A guy who recently stepped out quietly, also that person did use AI for everything. I often run those post and dropped them back in myself questioning the validity. The results were that...⁴the info was used in a manner to express a specific point not the whole truth. Yet seemingly this person was revered for knowledge grossly incorrect. Unfortunately nobody does research and it brings us back to the point where we should be able to tell these individuals they're wrong. Passing incorrect info at this point seems far more important.



Moderators,

All I’m saying respectfully is that more often than not lately, you’re getting this wrong.
Meso didn’t survive and earn its reputation because it was polite, sanitized, or overly moderated. It became what it was because it was brutal, honest, and at times rud, but always grounded in accountability.

When I first lurked here as a new member, that culture was obvious, misinformation was corrected quickly, nonsense wasn’t tolerated, and members themselves enforced a standard. That environment is exactly what allowed knowledgeable contributors to thrive and actually teach.


Ask yourselves why so many of those same high value contributors are now active on SST and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, someone like QSC Tracy, who likely still owes members significant damages, remains here without meaningful accountability. His thread is a running disaster, yet moderation energy seems disproportionately directed elsewhere. If the goal is member protection, how does that align with allowing unresolved issues of that magnitude to persist? Are you scared he'll call you names and tell you to F,off while calling you names? Cause everything you've said is contradictory to this alone. In practice, this isn’t damage control, it’s damage creation.

This forum runs because of its members. The “foot soldiers” the experienced contributors who answer questions, correct misinformation, and guide discussion, are doing the real work of maintaining standards. When those same people are restricted or silenced for tone rather than content, the end result isn’t civility, it’s ignorance being left unchallenged.

Feelings don’t determine whether information is accurate. And on an anonymous internet forum dedicated to pharmacology and performance enhancement, illocutionary force matters, is a post threatening, or is it bluntly corrective?

Those are not the same thing. Communication has a functional purpose, even when it’s delivered harshly.
Censoring corrective speech because someone’s feelings were hurt only cultivates a culture where misinformation can exist unchallenged.

And let’s be honest, very few threads stay on a single linear track. Discussions evolve, parallel conversations emerge, and new but related directions develop organically. That’s not derailment, that’s how real discourse works.

If the intent is to preserve what made this place valuable in the first place, then accountability needs to be applied consistently, not selectively, and tone alone shouldn’t outweigh substance. What is being done and can't be argued by anything you'll say is weakness. It's toxic and breeds far faster than standing tall and taking a verbal ass chewing.

 

[malomkarom]

Yes, it is. Very fast and it's very unfortunate.

This site has nothing to do with the forum I love. Haven't even made an account on any other. If this shit is what meso was a handful of years ago, I wouldn't have made one here either.

The community, the sources it lets through and the underground standards we no longer uphold are nothing like they were. Most sources "yall" are buying from wouldn't have made it to a second page with their threads.

 

[malomkarom]

The issue with AI is it's like talking to a yes man. It just leads you in circles.

I've noticed people have been just copy my reply into ChatGPT to argue with me. I might as well talk to myself.

ChatGPT seems to really appeal to the midwit.

It's so easy to spot too.

I also notice most AI are literally built to agree with you and find a logical SEEMING thought proccess. I've asked gemini and GPT whether DBOL is estrogenic or not phased as "Is dbol estrogenic" and "why is dbol not estrogenic" and was straight up told "yes" and "for most people it isn't" as the answers respectively.

The primo isn't an AI motherfucker was a perfect example of it still living at the back of my mind. 100% straight up Ai answers copy and pasted with 0 added notes or thoughts.

You can learn a lot if you already know enough to find flaws in the logic and can fine tune the algorithm, you can also have a very proper yes man if you just copy-paste the first answer.

Like half of this forum is now AI, with like 50% of it being most sources every answer. The scary part is the insane amount of members that use AI to "help" outside the underground. Endless amounts of completely baseless bullshit that is infuriating as people actually believe it and act according to what something that has no endocrine system HOPES to believe hormones and different blood values act like.

It takes away the whole "humans help eachother, together, even in danger" part of this forum and turns it into random words on a screen with no rhyme or reason.

 

[DeodatoFulci]

Im just gonna be patient, i love this place too much. Haha. All of my favorite sources and peeps are here, so I plan on following the rules so I wont get banned. Gotta kick back until April and be a spectator in the Underground in the interim. This is not a knock to the peeps on SST or ASF, those resources are great as well.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

I was under the naive impression that we were operating in the Land of the Free, where the First Amendment actually carried some weight.

if you're going to invoke constitutional rights you should probably understand them first. freedom of speech in the US means the government can't censor you in most cases, it does not mean that forums cannot be moderated according to the editorial standards of the admins.