Is this legit watson?

[insertnamehere]

I just went over to evo to see if anyone there is talking about this, the bloodwork we have posted here, or if anyone there has also had blood work... and the DS thread is closed/locked with a last post on the 11th asking why another brand (NOT watson, maybe AP???) does not check out on the producer's verification website

Not that it applies to this particular case you reference but, I know in the past, the verification codes don't always work the first time. People have reported the code didn't work, only to have it work when they tried it again at some point.

 

[insertnamehere]

I'm not certain but I heard through the grapevine that DS was banned from Evo. I don't know the reason. Which would explain his thread being locked.

 

[heady muscle]

I just went over to evo to see if anyone there is talking about this, the bloodwork we have posted here, or if anyone there has also had blood work... and the DS thread is closed/locked with a last post on the 11th asking why another brand (NOT watson, maybe AP???) does not check out on the producer's verification website

WOW... Results are Not even verified or posted, and they are already starting damage control? Damage control before they even know if there is anything to control. Never seen that before. Impressive!

MESO STRIKES AGAIN!

I posted at DS's thread over at IMF that bad bloods were posted about his Watson. I am off line until Tuesday. Have fun and nice job ISN

 

[BigDave]

Well Gentleman... I tried. As I stated previously I have never had Mass Spec testing done prior to this. After spending countless hours researching labs & sending an enormous number of emails to find a facility willing to do the tests, my excitement may have lead me to become overly optimistic. @Dr JIM was kind enough to review the data I received, and unfortunately his opinion (which I trust) is that the methodology used by the researcher is not acceptable, and therefore the data cannot be trusted. I apologize for getting everyone's hopes up, but I will keep up my quest to find a reliable source for testing. I know this is not what everyone wanted to hear, and I do apologize.

 

[Boilermech]

Well Gentleman... I tried. As I stated previously I have never had Mass Spec testing done prior to this. After spending countless hours researching labs & sending an enormous number of emails to find a facility willing to do the tests, my excitement may have lead me to become overly optimistic. @Dr JIM was kind enough to review the data I received, and unfortunately his opinion (which I trust) is that the methodology used by the researcher is not acceptable, and therefore the data cannot be trusted. I apologize for getting everyone's hopes up, but I will keep up my quest to find a reliable source for testing. I know this is not what everyone wanted to hear, and I do apologize.

Brother there is no apology needed. You have done more than others. You at least put forth the effort. You've done an awesome job my friend. Keep it up.

 

[KillaBig]

I just went over to evo to see if anyone there is talking about this, the bloodwork we have posted here, or if anyone there has also had blood work... and the DS thread is closed/locked with a last post on the 11th asking why another brand (NOT watson, maybe AP???) does not check out on the producer's verification website

That's just normal operating procedure's for Evo any post/thread maybe edit'd,deleted or locked because its not "Moderator Approved"
Can't believe those twinks our a board sponsor here.

 

[rigs03]

So knowing that the Watson sold on DS is not actual Watson, is it safe for us to assume that their total line is junk... or not quite that black and white?

 

[heady muscle]

I don't think it is confirmed totally as of yet it is not actual.

 

[A-a-Ron]

So knowing that the Watson sold on DS is not actual Watson, is it safe for us to assume that their total line is junk... or not quite that black and white?

If I were the counterfeiter, I'd throw some real hormone in there. You'd have a hell of a market and why go to all that trouble if you are going for a one time shot.
Not saying its good or bad. That's just how I'd do it. A lot of effort was taken if this is counterfeit.

 

[bickel29]

We have to remember that there is a whole great big group of potential customers out there just waiting to buy up counterfeit gear - folks that will buy it up and NEVER know that it is a weak copy.

We always want to apply how we look at black market aas, and what we know about it, to the masses. But we are the very minority! There are thousands of folks out their typing "where to buy steroids" into their browser right now - hundreds of them will order steroids tonight - and maybe a handful of them know what Labmax is, or know that they can order blood tests to show the potency of their purchase.

So what we think would be smart business (overdosing the counterfeit Watson) is scoffed at by the counterfeiters, and looked at as the completely unnecessary overkill extra work that it would be to the counterfeiters. It's just not necessary for them to do this. They'll always have more clueless buyers lined up waiting. In the time it took me to type this, I could have sold 25 of these counterfeit Watson's at my gym. Imagine what a counterfeiter with a website could do!

 

[A-a-Ron]

I got you 100% Bickel. I guess that's why I don't sell counterfeit steroids, or any drugs for that matter. Back when I was young and would get spotted a qper of smoke, I'd make just enough to pay it off and get an ounce out of it for myself. Nice dealers finish last (and usually don't get busted).

 

[biggerben69]

If I were the counterfeiter, I'd throw some real hormone in there. You'd have a hell of a market and why go to all that trouble if you are going for a one time shot.
Not saying its good or bad. That's just how I'd do it. A lot of effort was taken if this is counterfeit.

Back a few years ago uncle Z was advertising Jelfa Omnadren amps for a great price. It was proven that they were fake. The amps did have hormone in it. If I remember correctly it had test E in it and not the 4 test blend?
Once it was hopeless to deny this fact any longer, z directed his reps to call the fakes "Working replicas" and to proclaim that they were actually better than the originals and that the gains being made were out of this world.
I would imagine being some years later the counterfeiters have gotten better at what they do? The labs can't do a whole bunch more than they've already done to stop it or to stay ahead of the crooks.
We still don't know about these damn Watson's?

 

[A-a-Ron]

Back a few years ago uncle Z was advertising Jelfa Omnadren amps for a great price. It was proven that they were fake. The amps did have hormone in it. If I remember correctly it had test E in it and not the 4 test blend?
Once it was hopeless to deny this fact any longer, z directed his reps to call the fakes "Working replicas" and to proclaim that they were actually better than the originals and that the gains being made were out of this world.
I would imagine being some years later the counterfeiters have gotten better at what they do? The labs can't do a whole bunch more than they've already done to stop it or to stay ahead of the crooks.
We still don't know about these damn Watson's?

It makes sense in a way to sell a counterfeit brand if your intention is to sell real gear. If I had some powder that was halfway decent, I could sell A-a-roids test for $40 a bottle, or could invest a little more effort and sell a Watson label for an extra $60.

 

[biggerben69]

It's a sad state of affairs out there in gyms and the general public as a whole. I got a call the other day from a guy saying he has something for. He said he had a guy with him that had 4 vials of testosterone. The guy swore he had something good and I was gonna be paying his rent this month.
After a moment it was determined that we weren't talking about pharm grade which I see once in a while with all the older folks and HIV carriers around here I told him I appreciated him thinking of me but that I wasn't interested. He sent me a couple of pics and talked him self down to a $20 bill for 4 vials and said he just needed gas money. I get frustrated when I try to give people the get down with this thing. Ignorance.
Good thing was this guy showed me his hand and I now know his tells. He's going to be giving me the things I do want when he brings them.

 

[bmanstrong]

Any update on the Watson from DS?

 

[ECB]

Just by the fact that these suppliers can sell more than a few bottles of these a month is an indication they are counterfeit. Legit US Watson is controlled pretty strictly. Any legit channel letting 20,30,50 vials out the door a month would be scrutinized heavily. Not to mention unless they are stolen, they are expensive. At $100 you'd be making very little for the amount of risk taken to get legit watson out the door.

If you look at some European sites you will see "Watson" cyp for like $30-$35 a bottle. That is likely where these are coming from, from these sources.

 

[bmanstrong]

http://pharmaeurope.net/index.php?p=buyTestosterone-cypionate-

Is this what you are referring too?

 

[ECB]

Yes, there is a lot of it out there, especially on European sites. You will notice people who sell this "watson" domestic more times than not also sell the same name brand ancilleries ( adex, HCG, clomid, nolva,) which all these European suppliers sell, and are likely counterfeit as well. Now counterfeit doesn't always mean bunk. Just not authentic.

 

[bmanstrong]

So if you have a prescription and you order counterfeit Watson (and its not bunk, just counterfeit) would it be better to have an extra bottle of that around? I mean, couldn't you say, "hey, I have a prescription" and show them the Watson? In case, you got busted, I mean.

 

[A-a-Ron]

It looks like there might be a few bottles of Watson floating around Baltimore tonight. Bet you can get in for a ten piece.