Is This Proper Dosing?

[thomas21]

What would the dose over 2 weeks be with 0.35 vs your plan? No difference. Only difference would be in he peaks and valleys, which you're pinning every other day to smooth out anyway.

You can go to steroidplotter dot com and see it graphed out but honestly if you can't grasp this very basic concept you're gonna end up doing more harm than good by self medicating.

Thank you for the response, there is a difference in averages (top is 0.35, bottom is my plan):

1. (0.35ml x 4days) + (0.35ml x 3days) / 2 weeks = (1.4ml + 1.05ml)/2weeks= 2.45ml/2 weeks -> 1.225ml/week = 306.25mg/week

2. (0.30ml x 4days) + (0.40ml x 3days) / 2 weeks = (1.2ml + 1.2ml)/2weeks= 2.4ml/2 weeks -> 1.2ml/week = 300mg/week


Thank you for bringing up steroidplotter, I will take a look- after calculating these averages I see how the difference is negligible and should probably just stick to 0.35ml eod. ty.

 

[BigBobbyD]

I'd like to do true EOD injections that's why i'm trying to figure this out.

It's 0.34 ml EOD

How? Maths....
Dealing with days or week is too short picture.
Extrapolate it over a year. 300 mg/week = 15,600 mg/year
365 days in a year = 42.74 mg/day EOD = 85.5 mg
Shooting for 85.5 mg EOD using 250 mg/ml = 0.34 ml shots EOD.

You're driving yourself nuts though.

 

[thomas21]

It's 0.34 ml EOD

How? Maths....
Dealing with days or week is too short picture.
Extrapolate it over a year. 300 mg/week = 15,600 mg/year
365 days in a year = 42.74 mg/day EOD = 85.5 mg
Shooting for 85.5 mg EOD using 250 mg/ml = 0.34 ml shots EOD.

You're driving yourself nuts though.

Interesting, but we don't calculate based on how many mg we take of something in a year. Everyone decides how many mg they want to take of a compound in a week.

 

[Ironman 580]

dumb stupid way to minuscule shit- spend more time eating and hitting the gym then obsessing with 0.2 of this 0.5 of that - it’s non sense stupid fukin shit

 

[MisterSuperGod]

dumb stupid way to minuscule shit- spend more time eating and hitting the gym then obsessing with 0.2 of this 0.5 of that - it’s non sense stupid fukin shit

 

[hometeam]

Thank you for the response, there is a difference in averages (top is 0.35, bottom is my plan):

1. (0.35ml x 4days) + (0.35ml x 3days) / 2 weeks = (1.4ml + 1.05ml)/2weeks= 2.45ml/2 weeks -> 1.225ml/week = 306.25mg/week

2. (0.30ml x 4days) + (0.40ml x 3days) / 2 weeks = (1.2ml + 1.2ml)/2weeks= 2.4ml/2 weeks -> 1.2ml/week = 300mg/week


Thank you for bringing up steroidplotter, I will take a look- after calculating these averages I see how the difference is negligible and should probably just stick to 0.35ml eod. ty.

Like I said, that's not gonna be the true dose with underground lab gear that's usually overdosed and you're going to adjust based on goals, sides, how you feel and lab work. Please don't self medicate. You don't understand even the basics of what you're doing and you're only going to hurt yourself. Doctors exist for a reason.

 

[thomas21]

Like I said, that's not gonna be the true dose with underground lab gear that's usually overdosed and you're going to adjust based on goals, sides, how you feel and lab work. Please don't self medicate. You don't understand even the basics of what you're doing and you're only going to hurt yourself. Doctors exist for a reason.

Um I think i have a somewhat decent understanding of what I'm doing that's why i'm calculating and discussing this here. Unlike you and others on meso who say "just pin mon,wed,fri" and call it EOD beacause "it's good enough" and "you're overcomplicating it" while that is definitely not a true EOD protocol. I think you're upset because I lost you with the 3rd grade math I used to make my argument. Sorry.

 

[Predator123]

Um I think i have a somewhat decent understanding of what I'm doing that's why i'm calculating and discussing this here. Unlike you and others on meso who say "just pin mon,wed,fri" and call it EOD beacause "it's good enough" and "you're overcomplicating it" while that is definitely not a true EOD protocol. I think you're upset because I lost you with the 3rd grade math I used to make my argument. Sorry.

If you want to dose EOD and adjust doses based on how many injections you do in a given week, you clearly have no understanding of even basic maths and averages, sorry bud.

 

[thomas21]

If you want to dose EOD and adjust doses based on how many injections you do in a given week, you clearly have no understanding of even basic maths and averages, sorry bud.

so how would you dose this

 

[Predator123]

so how would you dose this

Like others said, if you want to keep it simple, 0,4ml will give you 350mg/w, if you want it closer to 300mg, 0,35ml will give you 306,25. Same dose every day, that's true EOD dosing.

Since there aren't an equal number of pins every week; one week there's 3 pins, the other there's 4 and it goes on alternating like that, that would average to 3,5 pins per week. If you instead use 14 days as your cutoff period, you will get 7 pins over a 14 day which is a nice, even number making it easier to measure and plot out. Remember, the dose stays the same, the only thing changing is the time frame in which you measure it. So 300mg/w equals 600mg every 14 days, spread that out over 7 pins and you get ~86mg, which would be ~0,344ml of your test, which we round up to 0,35. That would yield you 612,5mg/14 days, or 306,25 AVERAGE per week. Remember that, even though you technically dose more one week over the other, that is caused by the way we as humans have decided to count weeks, not by the dosing or volume of every injection itself. EOD is still EOD, independent of how many injections there are in a week.

Maybe I made that more complicated than it should be but whatever.

 

[thomas21]

Like others said, if you want to keep it simple, 0,4ml will give you 350mg/w, if you want it closer to 300mg, 0,35ml will give you 306,25. Same dose every day, that's true EOD dosing.

Since there aren't an equal number of pins every week; one week there's 3 pins, the other there's 4 and it goes on alternating like that, that would average to 3,5 pins per week. If you instead use 14 days as your cutoff period, you will get 7 pins over a 14 day which is a nice, even number making it easier to measure and plot out. Remember, the dose stays the same, the only thing changing is the time frame in which you measure it. So 300mg/w equals 600mg every 14 days, spread that out over 7 pins and you get ~86mg, which would be ~0,344ml of your test, which we round up to 0,35. That would yield you 612,5mg/14 days, or 306,25 AVERAGE per week. Remember that, even though you technically dose more one week over the other, that is caused by the way we as humans have decided to count weeks, not by the dosing or volume of every injection itself. EOD is still EOD, independent of how many injections there are in a week.

Maybe I made that more complicated than it should be but whatever.

Thank you.

 

[Mechanic]

The youtube guys like VigorousSteve and Derrick from MPMD talk about how frequent injections mean less spike in Test and that means less estrogen conversion. They just need new content for the shitty channels so they can sell more MagicSpoon cereal.

Monday/Friday is totally fine.

I disagree, more frequent injections are more natural and will reduce side effects. Sure if youre doing just fine pinning 250mg twice a week hell go for it.

 

[BigBobbyD]

I disagree, more frequent injections are more natural and will reduce side effects. Sure if youre doing just fine pinning 250mg twice a week hell go for it.

I would agree for higher doses. But 300 mg a week?

Why use longer esters if you're going to pin so often?

And twice a week vs 3-4 times a week. That's what we're bitching about in this thread.

 

[theotherguy]

dumb stupid way to minuscule shit- spend more time eating and hitting the gym then obsessing with 0.2 of this 0.5 of that - it’s non sense stupid fukin shit

I don’t disagree with your ideology on most of this stuff about gear (I.e. most people worry too much about the nuance of gear instead of training/diet/recovery). But no one is going to take advice when you’re shitting on them. Convey your message in a way people will respond to and maybe it’ll be a lot easier to get your point across instead of looking like a troll everytime you post.

 

[Mechanic]

I would agree for higher doses. But 300 mg a week?

Why use longer esters if you're going to pin so often?

And twice a week vs 3-4 times a week. That's what we're bitching about in this thread.

Agreed for 300mg it seems a little overkill. If he aromatases alot of his test it might still be a viable option no matter the esther? Correct me if im wrong ofc.

 

[theotherguy]

Agreed for 300mg it seems a little overkill. If he aromatases alot of his test it might still be a viable option no matter the esther? Correct me if im wrong ofc.

More frequent dosing (which creates smaller peaks and valley) also contributes to a lower amount of aromatization

 

[Mechanic]

More frequent dosing (which creates smaller peaks and valley) also contributes to a lower amount of aromatization

How come people still recommend frontloading? Wouldn't that be very harsh on aromatization?

 

[BigBobbyD]

Agreed for 300mg it seems a little overkill. If he aromatases alot of his test it might still be a viable option no matter the esther? Correct me if im wrong ofc.

Yea, like @theotherguy pointed out, less peaks in testosterone would result in less aromatization.

Personally, I would do twice a week and pop a little aromasin. I know people want to use less drugs but aromasin isn't too bad. People preach less drugs but then eat ibuprofen or Aleve like candy, both of which are worse than aromasin.

 

[theotherguy]

How come people still recommend frontloading? Wouldn't that be very harsh on aromatization?

I am not a fan of frontloading and don't really recommend it, but that's largely used for long ester compounds to get to max blood concentration sooner. It probably contributes to a shitload of aromatization IF using aromatizing compounds. But that will level off as you go back to a normal pinning schedule

 

[Jaxino]

Running: Test E (250mg/ml) pinning eod.

Since pinning eod some weeks are 4 pins a week, others are 3 pins a week. So would this be correct:

[MON,WED,FRI,SUN]:
(300mg = 1.2ml/week) / 4 days = 0.30 ml

[TUE,THUR,SAT]:
(300mg = 1.2ml/weeK) / 3 days = 0.40 ml

So basically, if it is a 4x pin week (mon,wed,fri,sun) then the dosage would be 0.30ml each pin,
and the next week would be a 3x pin week (tue,thu,sat) so the dosage would be 0.40ml each pin.

Please let me know if this is the proper way to dose eod injections, and I know it's probably a stupid question but I'm new and trying to learn and want to be safe.

Thank you and love u all.

Is that so hard to inject one day yes one day no 1ml? Set a reminder on your phone...

If this is a problem for you, i don't know how you will solve high BP, gyno, High/low E2....