Its good to have the classifieds back without mods protecting the sources

[Desibaba]

Hopefully this will be the one place again where members can rate sources without the risk of getting banned or their posts deleted if they speak out against a popular source for selective scamming or selling fake products. Too many other boards have sources who "Sponsor" the forum and get the Mods protection by giving them free gear and gifts.

 

[Millard]

Hopefully this will be the one place again where members can rate sources without the risk of getting banned or their posts deleted if they speak out against a popular source for selective scamming or selling fake products. Too many other boards have sources who "Sponsor" the forum and get the Mods protection by giving them free gear and gifts.

This is exactly why I felt this forum was needed here on meso. I want members to have the freedom to honestly rate and report experiences WITHOUT fear of reprisals.

The forum will be totally transparent. No sources will be protected. No members will be banned for anything they post about sources in this forum. You have my word.

There are only three rules that apply to this subforum at the moment. I expect it may evolve to include more over time. But if anything changes, it will be fully disclosed.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

This is exactly why I felt this forum was needed here on meso. I want members to have the freedom to honestly rate and report experiences WITHOUT fear of reprisals.

The forum will be totally transparent. No sources will be protected. No members will be banned for anything they post about sources in this forum. You have my word.

There are only three rules that apply to this subforum at the moment. I expect it may evolve to include more over time. But if anything changes, it will be fully disclosed.

I agree 100% with the forum need. This will do alot to protect the health & safety of individuals in many ways. Good Move!

 

[Millard]

Hopefully this will be the one place again where members can rate sources without the risk of getting banned or their posts deleted if they speak out against a popular source for selective scamming or selling fake products.

In addition, when a source is busted, I think it is imperative that news of the bust is not censored. It doesn't just affect the source but all of the customers. Even if it only causes minimal disruption in the day-to-day operations, it is information that could be an important factor in choosing or not choosing a source. I've heard of some sources that have been arrested/detained for weeks while money is still being collected. If the customer knew their source was in jail, they surely wouldn't send money via WU.

 

[Transhuman]

Hopefully this will be the one place again where members can rate sources without the risk of getting banned or their posts deleted if they speak out against a popular source for selective scamming or selling fake products. Too many other boards have sources who "Sponsor" the forum and get the Mods protection by giving them free gear and gifts.

this is why meso was so popular back in the day? i look forward to its return opcorn:

 

[KCSMAN]

hell ya it is. this is what we need.

This is exactly why I felt this forum was needed here on meso. I want members to have the freedom to honestly rate and report experiences WITHOUT fear of reprisals.

The forum will be totally transparent. No sources will be protected. No members will be banned for anything they post about sources in this forum. You have my word.

There are only three rules that apply to this subforum at the moment. I expect it may evolve to include more over time. But if anything changes, it will be fully disclosed.

 

[KCSMAN]

you got that right. i am really stoked about it.

this is why meso was so popular back in the day? i look forward to its return opcorn:

 

[Millard]

Hopefully this will be the one place again where members can rate sources without the risk of getting banned or their posts deleted if they speak out against a popular source.

this is why meso was so popular back in the day? i look forward to its return opcorn:

you got that right. i am really stoked about it.

I can't believe so many people remember the "old" meso. nostalgia 8->

 

[walsh1979]

Haven't had a legit source in about 1.5 yrs now. HG Bulk was the man. Dude would express 60ml jugs from the carribean for 225.00. Can't find him anymore. Since, I've been scammed by MexGear and Hardbody. Both sent excellent grape seed oil without a trace of testosterone in it. Not interested in taking anymore shots in the dark and wasting hundreds of dollars. PM me if anyone has any suggestions.

 

[sc redneck]

Bout time. Thanks much!!!!

 

[KCSMAN]

millard this was the first board i joined. i felt it was the greatest board. i have been here a long time. like i said on here a long time ago. this is my home and will always be my home.

I can't believe so many people remember the "old" meso. nostalgia 8->

 

[WolfLarsen]

all well and good i suppose but yet still still cant find solid source. to much crap. this is my 4th time under diff handles and still serve proud up north. just junk. where is legit? been on here so many times, no eyes to read between the lines. to clean, too well versed, minnesota in new york, white w/o tats. unseemingly out never gets in.

 

[Dr JIM]

My primary concern is those in LE who would love to "bust" a reputable source, (especially mine) consequent to reading these threads. Any ideas about how to subvert their surveillance and or investigation?

 

[Millard]

My primary concern is those in LE who would love to "bust" a reputable source, (especially mine) consequent to reading these threads. Any ideas about how to subvert their surveillance and or investigation?

My primary objective is to protect members from the perils of the steroid black market. I want to teach members how to best protect themselves and how to identify sources who operate similarly.

In the age of the internet where most sources have websites indexed by google and flashy banner advertisements all over various source forums, it is usually not a question of hiding their existence to thwart LE surveillance and investigation. I think they should always assume that LE already knows about them (which is probably true for many good sources who have a significant client base). The burden is on the source to cover his ass. This is the current reality of the regulatory environment in which internet sources operate.

In the near future, I hope to publish a detailed series of articles on meso that provides a step-by-step guide to security tools, software, hardware and other methods of protecting privacy in our community. There are precautions that can be taken for every aspect of the communication, transaction and receipt of product.

 

[test90]

This is meso's big project! Watch the members grow because this is what us guys on the ground needed a forum like this to weed out these scammers

 

[basskiller]

In the age of the internet where most sources have websites indexed by google and flashy banner advertisements all over various source forums, it is usually not a question of hiding their existence to thwart LE surveillance and investigation. I think they should always assume that LE already knows about them (which is probably true for many good sources who have a significant client base). The burden is on the source to cover his ass. This is the current reality of the regulatory environment in which internet sources operate.
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This is the main reason why we see huge busts like ORD. IMO it's sheer stupidity to be in what the feds consider an Illegal business and then flaunt it in their faces on open sourcing boards. It's only a matter of time...

Long gone are the days when underground meant somewhat secret, mostly unknowning.

Then you have these same source that when busted.. roll on everyone they can.
Hell, you have the top guys selling out their own girlfriends/fiance .. If they will do that to someone they love.. Just how long do you think they give up any of us..

Good luck with the forum.. Hopefully it won't turn into sources using faux names trying to boost their rep or the reps doing the same for their paying sources..
The community (underground community in general) I once loved has become deceitful more and more with each passing day.

 

[Millard]

Good luck with the forum.. Hopefully it won't turn into sources using faux names trying to boost their rep or the reps doing the same for their paying sources..
The community (underground community in general) I once loved has become deceitful more and more with each passing day.

Thanks BK! Good insight from someone who knows the subculture.

You know this will happen. I know it will happen. I want all the members to know this will happen. Everyone must remain vigilant.

This is one of the biggest caveats of an uncensored forums. This was a problem on the uncensored MESO forum pre-2005.

There are a couple of approaches to this. Neither is (even close to) an adequate solution.

(1) Allow mods to serve as big brother by deleting and censoring posts and telling members who is to be believed.

(2) Allow the entire process to be open and transparent. Let members try to expose the faux names used by sources and the motives behind covert reps for sources.

I'm trying the latter approach. Mainly because everyone else is doing the former. And it's not working. The latter is needed now.

 

[KCSMAN]

I agree 100%

I'm trying the latter approach. Mainly because everyone else is doing the former. And it's not working. The latter is needed now.

 

[HDH]

Haven't had a legit source in about 1.5 yrs now. HG Bulk was the man. Dude would express 60ml jugs from the carribean for 225.00. Can't find him anymore. Since, I've been scammed by MexGear and Hardbody. Both sent excellent grape seed oil without a trace of testosterone in it. Not interested in taking anymore shots in the dark and wasting hundreds of dollars. PM me if anyone has any suggestions.

Just a little tip to help you NOT get scammed. A PM is the last thing you want at this point. There is a good chance that you will be PMed by a scammer now. The point of this forum is to keep things out in the open so you have an idea of who is legit and who isn't. My suggestion would be to sit tight and see how everything pans out. Understand though, as Bass stated, there will be sources and scammers bumping themselves. So there are no guarantees on anything.

This is something that could take a little time to weed out the bullshit. If there is a scammer that bumps himself and members start to give them a try, many could be taken before it is out in the open. Always be weary of the "new guy".

I also wouldn't expect to get a hold of any of the top UGLs as they are underground and private. This will help greatly with the international sources and possibly some newer UGLs.

HDH

 

[Millard]

The point of this forum is to keep things out in the open so you have an idea of who is legit and who isn't. My suggestion would be to sit tight and see how everything pans out. Understand though, as Bass stated, there will be sources and scammers bumping themselves. So there are no guarantees on anything.

This is something that could take a little time to weed out the bullshit. If there is a scammer that bumps himself and members start to give them a try, many could be taken before it is out in the open. Always be weary of the "new guy".

Good advice. Be vigilant to this and call it when it happens.