Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[muscle96ss]

Not your position to do so here @muscle96ss. If Jano feels the need he can himself. All you had to do was ask if you could post them and I would of said yes. This is now the third time you have posted or shared personal conversations between us. THREE TIMES!

I haven't gotten a chance to go look back at my dates on PM(I am working with @Buck1973 and I will answer his emails. I believe they are posted in my OP so no need for me to waste more time. I believe I have shown enough information that anyone can make an educated decision. Like I said pretty cut and dry.

Yes package was open. How could it not have been opened since it was ceased?

There is nothing you can say to MESO that will change anyone's mind about Jano and his close relations with the parcel system that gives him an unknown substance then they call for it back. Oh then he actually gives it back(wait his gh does). WHY NOT SAY I TOSSED IT IF HE ALREADY WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIME AS YOUR TIMELINE STATES. Then he states he feared for a charge that's why he brought it back. Which one is it.

Sorry @Eman I didn't get to your question.

F'ing Laughable to say the least.

mands

But you told me that the package was refused based on the tracking. You said that they don't just put "refused" for fun. So was it refused or was it seized? If it was seized then why does the tracking say refused. If it was seized then why did they send it back to the sender. Does customs seize packages and then send them back to the sender? If it was refused then Jano knows it going to be sent back to you since you stated it was a legit address; so why would he then pretend he got the package? If it was refused then customs would not have opened it. So you can't just jump to conclusions without creating a scenario that makes sense. I haven't seen a logical scenario that makes sense be presented yet. Call me stupid, but can you then present a logical timeline of what events you are claiming actually took place and that make logical sense?

 

[janoshik]

@muscle96ss DO NOT post any of our private encrypted conversations without my permission. This is Jano's bed he made he doesn't need his dad cleaning it up.

If he needed to post the conversation he could have posted them with his raw data/assays immediately when questioned to support his defense.

I think that would of been the best approach don't you?

I will say this ONE more time. MY exact contents were in the package sent back to me as I sent them.

And I will say this again. He was supposed to test three vials... two tested by him and one by an "outside" source. So, why was I not notified this didn't happen? This is another lie in my book.

mands

I am not saving my XMPP conversations history, so no I could not have posted that conversation.

 

[janoshik]

Not your position to do so here @muscle96ss. If Jano feels the need he can himself. All you had to do was ask if you could post them and I would of said yes. This is now the third time you have posted or shared personal conversations between us. THREE TIMES!

I haven't gotten a chance to go look back at my dates on PM(I am working with @Buck1973 and I will answer his emails. I believe they are posted in my OP so no need for me to waste more time. I believe I have shown enough information that anyone can make an educated decision. Like I said pretty cut and dry.

Yes package was open. How could it not have been opened since it was ceased?

There is nothing you can say to MESO that will change anyone's mind about Jano and his close relations with the parcel system that gives him an unknown substance then they call for it back. Oh then he actually gives it back(wait his gh does). WHY NOT SAY I TOSSED IT IF HE ALREADY WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIME AS YOUR TIMELINE STATES. Then he states he feared for a charge that's why he brought it back. Which one is it.

Sorry @Eman I didn't get to your question.

F'ing Laughable to say the least.

mands

So, in an ideal world of yours, you'd have me to face the lunatic rawlings of 50 to one by myself.

Cool.

Regarding the last paragraph I gave my stance.

 

[rpbb]

But you told me that the package was refused based on the tracking. You said that they don't just put "refused" for fun. So was it refused or was it seized? If it was seized then why does the tracking say refused. If it was seized then why did they send it back to the sender. Does customs seize packages and then send them back to the sender? If it was refused then Jano knows it going to be sent back to you since you stated it was a legit address; so why would he then pretend he got the package? If it was refused then customs would not have opened it. So you can't just jump to conclusions without creating a scenario that makes sense. I haven't seen a logical scenario that makes sense be presented yet. Call me stupid, but can you then present a logical timeline of what events you are claiming actually took place and that make logical sense?

ok, you're stupid, gtfo

 

[AnTabolic73]

this whole situation is f'd up. so the package wasn't seized but refused? and that's how @mands got it back?

if customs f'd up, and told @jano to return package(which is probably the hardest part to believe) and since he is licensed to do these tests, he could've told them to fuck off, that he ran the tests and package isn't available.

I doubt many people know what happens after a package gets seized, as we usually chalk it up as a loss. maybe customs does take information, release package, and reserve the right to call it back? upon inspection of licensing?

 

[mands]

But you told me that the package was refused based on the tracking. You said that they don't just put "refused" for fun. So was it refused or was it seized? If it was seized then why does the tracking say refused. If it was seized then why did they send it back to the sender. Does customs seize packages and then send them back to the sender? If it was refused then Jano knows it going to be sent back to you since you stated it was a legit address; so why would he then pretend he got the package? If it was refused then customs would not have opened it. So you can't just jump to conclusions without creating a scenario that makes sense. I haven't seen a logical scenario that makes sense be presented yet. Call me stupid, but can you then present a logical timeline of what events you are claiming actually took place and that make logical sense?

Do I have to keep on explaining this?

I stated seized, I guess there terminology was "deposited in the interim warehouse". So then it was refused by the addressee. I got package back with all contents. ss

Also, no paperwork from showing any testing was preformed by Jano was ever sent to me. Why not? It wasn't ever done that's why!

Why would it have been stopped and sent to a warehouse if customs didn't open it? You know customs opened it. Why would they have stopped it if they didn't see the contents? Again they wouldn't have.

End of discussion in my book.

I can't comment on what JANO thinks or what he actually does. At this point he's lied about multiple things throughout this whole transaction. Therefore he is not to be trusted in my book.

2.11.2016 The consignment was sent back to the sender - refused acceptance by the addressee.

18.10.2016 Communication with the addressee about the consignment being deposited in interim warehouse - asked to prove the value of the goods.

mands

 

[Eman]

Refused acceptance from the addressee.... After it was accepted by the addressee but before it was returned to customs to be sent back to the sender.

 

[rpbb]

this whole situation is f'd up. so the package wasn't seized but refused? and that's how @mands got it back?

if customs f'd up, and told @jano to return package(which is probably the hardest part to believe) and since he is licensed to do these tests, he could've told them to fuck off, that he ran the tests and package isn't available.

I doubt many people know what happens after a package gets seized, as we usually chalk it up as a loss. maybe customs does take information, release package, and reserve the right to call it back? upon inspection of licensing?

and you're missing the point, jano told mands he tested it and didn't

 

[ickyrica]

yes^^^^

 

[mands]

Refused acceptance from the addressee.... After it was accepted by the addressee but before it was returned to customs to be sent back to the sender.

Eman what are you needing to know?

mands

 

[Eman]

Eman what are you needing to know?

mands

Nothing from you my friend... I'm just still trying to imagine a world in which jano's account of this story makes any logical sense.

The only question I had for you yesterday was when jano actually informed you of the issue with customs. I don't personally need you to go back and check the timeline though, I got an idea of it when your private messages were publicly posted.

 

[AnTabolic73]

and you're missing the point, jano told mands he tested it and didn't

you're right, the whole I switched up a vial and returned it to customs is also hard to believe.

 

[mands]

So first you got charged with importing anabolics while at Customs on the date you picked it up, 10/25/16.



And then it was a few DAYS later you were "threatened" to return the package or get charged?

These two statements are IMPOSSIBLE to both be true! Hard to keep a lie consistent when you are trying to manipulate numerous people all at the same time isn't it?

This here exactly!!!! How does this even happen. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he had some balls to go pick it up. He told me that the only reason they gave it to him because he's a credited lab...

If you are a credited lab how do you get charged?

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

Do I have to keep on explaining this?

I stated seized, I guess there terminology was "deposited in the interim warehouse". So then it was refused by the addressee. I got package back with all contents. ss

Also, no paperwork from showing any testing was preformed by Jano was ever sent to me. Why not? It wasn't ever done that's why!

Why would it have been stopped and sent to a warehouse if customs didn't open it? You know customs opened it. Why would they have stopped it if they didn't see the contents? Again they wouldn't have.

End of discussion in my book.

I can't comment on what JANO thinks or what he actually does. At this point he's lied about multiple things throughout this whole transaction. Therefore he is not to be trusted in my book.

2.11.2016 The consignment was sent back to the sender - refused acceptance by the addressee.

18.10.2016 Communication with the addressee about the consignment being deposited in interim warehouse - asked to prove the value of the goods.

mands

Just to be clear, you are saying that Jano received notice of the package after customs opened the package and saw it contents. While customs opened the package, they did not disturb the contents to try and examine what was in there. Jano then never tried to get it out of customs(or never provided the necessary info), so after a certain amount of time customs deemed it as being refused and returned it to the sender.

This would also mean that although Jano knew that the package was being returned to a legitimate address, he decided to lie anyways and pretend that he was able to get it out and successfully test it.

Can you see where something just doesn't add up and make sense. I agree that Jano's version also leaves some sense not being totally logical, but it has been consistent from day 1. When somebody lies about something, they usually have subtle differences each time they tell the story so the facts seem to change. Here Jano has told the story to both of us in October and has retold it to buck, myself, and others 2 months later and the details are still exactly the same. Even the best liars in the world aren't that consistent.

To me its like looking at one of those trick pictures where if you look at it one way you see a totally different picture than if you look at it from a different way. I have yet to see any proof that anybody has lied throughout this whole ordeal. Mands, have you asked Jano at any time for the lab report?

 

[muscle96ss]

This here exactly!!!! How does this even happen. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he had some balls to go pick it up. He told me that the only reason they gave it to him because he's a credited lab...

If you are a credited lab how do you get charged?

mands

Perhaps for tax purposes you don't want to provide documented proof to the government that you are a credited lab or can't provide your tax receipts for proof because you are afraid of opening up a whole new scenario thats even worse.

 

[ickyrica]

this is from the the first post in this thread.

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  janoActive Member
  I tested #17 three times:
  
  5.2mg was the average result.
  
  A vial from your kit was 5.27mg
  
  So it seems that you consistently get lower results than me and I am very confident in my results.

You did read the entire thread, correct? Jano lied man. He can't hide from it, almost has accepted it at this point based on his language. Some would be inclined to say he has admitted it.

I have yet to see any proof that anybody has lied throughout this whole ordeal.

 

[muscle96ss]

this is from the the first post in this thread.



You did read the entire thread, correct? Jano lied man. He can't hide from it, almost has accepted it at this point based on his language. Some would be inclined to say he has admitted it.

Where is the lie? He tested 1 vial three times. He was only supposed to test 1 vial himself.

 

[ickyrica]

Where is the lie? He tested 1 vial three times. He was only supposed to test 1 vial himself.

that's the lie. the shipment was returned to sender. how can you test of you don't have the samples? all of his reports were false, nothing to test when mands has the samples back in hand.

 

[mands]

@muscle96ss do have archived in your chat that he told you that customs contacted him again about bringing it back or that he was out of town?

Where is the lie? He tested 1 vial three times. He was only supposed to test 1 vial himself.

That's wrong he was supposed to test 2 vials and send one off? Who's getting confused now?

I stated all contents were present? I didn't say they hadn't been looked at or touched or whatever you want to say to make Jano look good in your eyes.

I taped the vials specifically in the coleman anniversary collectible first aid kit with two of the band-aids out of the that kit. The same two band-aids were still in tacked with three vials of batch #17.

So, I guess he had one laying around that he received from a source to test. I'm guessing he would have three more if he would of actually received them. Man he could start stock piling and selling gh on the side instead of testing them. Very nice!

He only has to remember two lies. One being that he was called by customs and the other his gf did the switch-a-roo. Not that difficult.

Also, he has tripped up. He stated he was charged when he picked the vials up(but he's a credited lab) and then he stated he was going to get charged if he didn't bring them back...

Tell me which one was it? And don't tell me two different charges or I will call you an idiot.

mands

 

[rpbb]

@muscle96ss do have archived in your chat that he told you that customs contacted him again about bringing it back or that he was out of town?

mands

That's wrong he was supposed to test 2 vials and send one off? Who's getting confused now?

I stated all contents were present? I didn't say they hadn't been looked at or touched or whatever you want to say to make Jano look good in your eyes.

I taped the vials specifically in the coleman anniversary collectible first aid kit with two of the band-aids out of the that kit. The same two band-aids were still in tacked with three vials of batch #17.

So, I guess he had one laying around that he received from a source to test. I'm guessing he would have three more if he would of actually received them. Man he could start stock piling and selling gh on the side instead of testing them. Very nice!

He only has to remember two lies. One being that he was called by customs and the other his gf did the switch-a-roo. Not that difficult.

Also, he has tripped up. He stated he was charged when he picked the vials up(but he's a credited lab) and then he stated he was going to get charged if he didn't bring them back...

Tell me which one was it? And don't tell me two different charges or I will call you an idiot.

mands

I'll go ahead and call him an idiot for you. he's doing the same thing in this thread that he's done ever since he's been here, deflect, blame, criticize, all the while contributing nothing. the sources at pm must pay him by the word. I've been calling him out as a fraud for 2 years, and this just confirms it