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iris
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Agree.
So curious to know who the chef that prepared that clen was.
The other scary thing was insulin pens sold as ozempic, by changing the label.
That was a shocker. The stuff people do for money.
The fake Rimo story was interesting, too.
But at least with that they don't end up killing anyone.
It was a good interview, I liked some of the questions he was asked.
For some reason, I thought he would have been older than he is.
egruberman
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Makes perfect sense given where he’s from, but I’ve never been in a situation where someone would’ve said it.
PermaBlastingTren
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Fawkk meee. What next? Fireball bottled up and labeled as tren ace?
iris
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If it's the PermaBlasting factory making it, I will buy anything, lol
clearheaded
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love to see it and def has the proper amount of tism to be trustworthy.
only concern is jano getting TOO big and authorities see him on YouTube and want it gone as sort of "makes it real/legit"
im sure all the new tariffs donny wants will help mess shipments up unfortunately, as thats mostly what happened in canada they wanted to get that tax $ from all the Chinese crap being shipped over so check stuff alot closer. of course with other reasons.
only concern is jano getting TOO big and authorities see him on YouTube and want it gone as sort of "makes it real/legit"
im sure all the new tariffs donny wants will help mess shipments up unfortunately, as thats mostly what happened in canada they wanted to get that tax $ from all the Chinese crap being shipped over so check stuff alot closer. of course with other reasons.
PermaBlastingTren
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This Friday at exactly 12am on the dot. Tit pics included.
Type-IIx
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Thanks for taking over 45 min while obviously incredibly busy, @janoshik!
This was highly informative — indeed, I regard this as the most informative YouTube video of 2024 for bodybuilding.
Some people just can’t help but bring tremendous value to the world nah mean?!
I’ll share that three things that I learned were that:
(1) The characteristic trenbolone bronze hue is a bad omen, associated with oxidation and using too high a temperature when separated from the oil vehicle used.
(2) Either packagers, manufacturers, or shippers actually (confusingly) label drostanolone enanthate as ME, causing confusion with Primo (metenolone enanthate).
(3) 80 — 90% of ostensibly random Rimobolan pharma samples that are delivered to Janoshik are totally inert.
This was highly informative — indeed, I regard this as the most informative YouTube video of 2024 for bodybuilding.
Some people just can’t help but bring tremendous value to the world nah mean?!
I’ll share that three things that I learned were that:
(1) The characteristic trenbolone bronze hue is a bad omen, associated with oxidation and using too high a temperature when separated from the oil vehicle used.
(2) Either packagers, manufacturers, or shippers actually (confusingly) label drostanolone enanthate as ME, causing confusion with Primo (metenolone enanthate).
(3) 80 — 90% of ostensibly random Rimobolan pharma samples that are delivered to Janoshik are totally inert.
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Zebedee
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You should take a gander at some Jano results for pharma vs UGL products dosed in mcg’s, eg Abdi Tiromel T3 (several tests on that on Meso) vs various UGL clen tabs or the likes of whatever UGL brand caber that @Sampei posted a result for a few days ago.
You might be surprised at which has had more accurate & consistent dosing at times ….
Obviously this is not always the case, but one thing the community (& sources) accepting & adopting Jano testing has shown us is that “pharma dosing accuracy is always better” is a mantra & not a hard & fast rule.
iris
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Idk about in general, but know someone who bought pharma clen, had it tested and it was pretty spot on.
I honestly don't know how people manage to take it in liquid form, which I have seen various labs selling.
Maybe you know about it being OK, too.
I saw the one you mentioned, from Yura HYB, if that's the correct name.
Then, again,we have seen other tests that were not so amazing.
Basically, test for variance, if you want to be sure.
I suppose it's the only way.
I appreciate your perspective.
Thank you for the message.
Zebedee
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Yup. Now whether it’s doing that for everything as a user is another matter - if you take a 20mg cialis tab & it works as it should, whether it’s +/- 25% is a moot point IMO & not worth spending £100 ish to see whether it is or not.
The main thing is we keep up the pressure on sources to test & point out it’s in their best commercial interests to do so, as demonstrated by the the popularity of both QSC & the now absent Liska, who really set the benchmark by literally testing everything he sold.
iris
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Yes, but I guess it also depends what it is.
For me, personally, I would agree with what Jano said, regarding testing substances that would be for female use.
For example, even with variance testing done by a source (which must always be in place), if I bought 10 mg oxandrolone I would feel safer spending the money to get it tested.
But I understand these are not scenarios that are relevant to you guys.
I have just found a post of yours from March, urging a lab to update and be consistent with their labtests (hence, you got my thumbs up, a little while ago).
It was brilliant. It made me think to go check whether he is indeed up to date, now.
Lol.
PiscesMoon
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Cheers.
Type-IIx
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Well stated!
PaintDrinker
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Yes! This was a fantastic takeaway. Turns out the "rusty orange" tren is as "fire" as we thought haha
Type-IIx
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I’m not the best at staying afloat of all the testing results out there admittedly. How would you summarize the case of Sopharma clen versus the top 3 UGLs? Actually significantly worse? I only recall that last I checked they were comparable — no significant difference in inter-sample variability. But that even Sopharma clen could see 25% deviations from the label. Is that still the case, you’d say — that everyone is basically +/- 25% on, or off depending on optimism/pessimism, -point when it comes to mcg dosing of clenbuterol?
Ghoul
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It's not that pharma tabs don't suffer variance, that's an expectation and even the regulating authorities allow pretty generous allowances for that.
The difference is that UGL produces the occasional wildly overdosed tab on a routine basis, an extreme rarity in pharma because the consequences are far more dire and costly than underdosed.
I'm not aware of any UGL that goes through the steps of precision grinding and sifting, or careful selection of excipients for the properties of a specific API. Even the smallest backstreet India pharma producers understand the dangers of "nutmegging", the clumping of APIs that takes place during mixing.
Nevermind checking pharmacokinetics by dissolving a tab, having no appreciation for the significance that the rate of dissolution has, in particular determining where it gets absorbed in the digestive system.
UGL orals are probobly why there's so much "AI trauma" out there. A single overdosed aromasin tablet would certainly do that.
The difference is that UGL produces the occasional wildly overdosed tab on a routine basis, an extreme rarity in pharma because the consequences are far more dire and costly than underdosed.
I'm not aware of any UGL that goes through the steps of precision grinding and sifting, or careful selection of excipients for the properties of a specific API. Even the smallest backstreet India pharma producers understand the dangers of "nutmegging", the clumping of APIs that takes place during mixing.
Nevermind checking pharmacokinetics by dissolving a tab, having no appreciation for the significance that the rate of dissolution has, in particular determining where it gets absorbed in the digestive system.
UGL orals are probobly why there's so much "AI trauma" out there. A single overdosed aromasin tablet would certainly do that.
Type-IIx
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Why Aromasin? It’s dosed in tens of mg unlike Adex, etc.
I believe that you’re making what’s called a conclusory argument: to wit, that pharma companies like Sopharma use sophisticated methods and technologies to root out any possibility of dangerous overdose… because they are pharma companies that have sophisticated methods and tech…
Despite this self-evident authority that pharma companies hold in your — (and admittedly mine also before listening to jano) — highest regard, jano explains that the mere fact that they are pharma companies is not special… see the circular logic?
Jano explicitly tells us here that market forces and what he refers to as the bias or pressure of applying caveat emptor as a principle to all that we do here in this harm reduction community of ours is, through competition, giving a considerable upper hand to the UGLs!
Your statement attesting to personal unfamiliarity with UGLs using sufficient quality control reminds me of a friend of mine, who his first day on the job, defended the company to a potential customer: “I don’t know of a single instance of a mistake occurring!”
Of course not.
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iris
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OK, but even so, it's only recently with a couple of sources here that we have seen good results and more consistency, with regards to orals.
If you look back at lab tests that go back further in time, the scenario is very different.
If one takes it from there, the reluctance to rely on ugl and assume pharma may be a safer bet is understandable.
If one cannot say, in absolute terms that pharma is always better than ugl, the opposite is also true, from what I can see.
Things appear to be improving on the ugl front, as you say, at least for some.
I certainly admit that your experience and judgement regarding this is far superior than mine, so I appreciate your opinion.
Also, I am sure you got the people you train to utilise clen and I imagine you also told them where to get it from, especially if they were not versed in sourcing stuff themselves.
And maybe you have used it yourself, got it from a ugl that provided you variance lab tests you were happy with and can report on a safe and successful outcome.
Type-IIx
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Having used exclusively pharma for years when possible, and never venturing into UGL clen in my life (doubtful I’ll start):
I don’t think our brains get even passing marks at rooting out causation and trends from self-selectively biased data like these; and I basically trust jano nigh absolutely on this matter.
He communicates to us clearly here that it’s evident to him — he who is best positioned to make this kind of assessment — that UGL and pharma alike are capable of both brilliant accuracy and egregious mistake (off by a factor of 10,000 as it were in the case of 50 mg clen).
I can’t go back and interpret this data because it’s impracticable for me to do so. I have a lot of raw reports, like, hundreds I’m sure, that I have in my Proton Drive from guys’ sending em to me. Scruf did tremendous work in this regard and people are always testing. But jano personally signs off on 2,000 a week?
I can’t make heads or tails of trends besides saying QSC is clearly a pharma company…
Jano does this professionally. Quant. analytical chemistry. It’s his business, not I daresay, ours
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