Janoshik Interview

Having used exclusively pharma for years when possible, and never venturing into UGL clen in my life (doubtful I’ll start):

I don’t think our brains get even passing marks at rooting out causation and trends from self-selectively biased data like these; and I basically trust jano nigh absolutely on this matter.

He communicates to us clearly here that it’s evident to him — he who is best positioned to make this kind of assessment — that UGL and pharma alike are capable of both brilliant accuracy and egregious mistake (off by a factor of 10,000 as it were in the case of 50 mg clen).

I can’t go back and interpret this data because it’s impracticable for me to do so. I have a lot of raw reports, like, hundreds I’m sure, that I have in my Proton Drive from guys’ sending em to me. Scruf did tremendous work in this regard and people are always testing. But jano personally signs off on 2,000 a week?

I can’t make heads or tails of trends besides saying QSC is clearly a pharma company…

Jano does this professionally. Quant. analytical chemistry. It’s his business, not I daresay, ours

Not doubting him, at all.
I don't think, here, anyone is.

I was just trying to make sense of what I actually saw and how I think/feel about it, in relation to what he said, that's all.
In the end, even with data at hand, the bias you refer to may remain.
Some people will prefer sticking with pharma for certain things, no matter what.
For the ones that don't care for it and want to use ugl, at least they know (thanks to his involvement) that the quality and safety profile of their oral production has improved, greatly.
 
Not doubting him, at all.
I don't think, here, anyone is.

I was just trying to make sense of what I actually saw and how I think/feel about it, in relation to what he said, that's all.
In the end, even with data at hand, the bias you refer to may remain.
Some people will prefer sticking with pharma for certain things, no matter what.
For the ones that don't care for it and want to use ugl, at least they know (thanks to his involvement) that the quality and safety profile of their oral production has improved, greatly.
I will always prefer pharma too unless I ever came upon an inert Rimo… I don’t handle that kind of thing well, I’d be apoplectic.

Good, you and we all should feel welcome to try to interpret to the degree that you can. I don’t think most people should pretend they can though.

You’ve almost certainly by the sounds of things been pretty attuned to this particular issue of dosing variance — unlike myself — I’ve been more focused on sources that are gtg.

So maybe I am wrong by trying to characterize your efforts as fruitless, and should just have left it at, “I don’t know about variance by pharma vs UGL in the universe of clen/T3 samples,” but you might to a degree.

jano for sure does though.
 
Would take one heck of a conspiracy for pharma, which is required to variance test the hell out every single batch, maintain extensive, routinely inspected records from their in house and external government certified labs, to hide the fact they have anything resembling haphazard UGL production quality.

The idea that all the expense and effort put into multi million dollar manufacturing facilities, specialist engineers and chemists whose careers are dedicated to tablet manufacturing, along with endless layers of QA and government oversight results in a similar end product to someone with basic equipment, a pill press, and until very recently, rarely a test of any kind done on the end product is hard to believe. I know we all like to imagine "Big Pharma" are a bunch of blundering, greedy idiots and our UGL tablets are made in some artisanal fashion by Walter White types, but that's ridiculous. Whatever mistakes professional manufacturers are making are undoubtedly multiplied by UGL drug dealers.

If they aren't as careful and as closely regulated as I suggest, lawyers are missing many profitable, easy lawsuits from the low hanging fruit of unsuspecting patients routinely getting improperly made meds from billion dollar pharmacy chains, their suppliers, all the way back to the manufacturer's Western subsidiaries and their international conglomerates HQ'd in India that supply most of the pills used worldwide.

Jano is a fantastic resource. I'm sure the fact he struck out on his own as a successful entrepreneur is a strong indicator he's also excellent in his craft as a chemical analyst.

However, we tend to elevate people who know far more than us in one area, into experts on everything tangential to it. As far as I know, he's not a pharmaceutical manufacturing engineer, compliance expert, regulator, or scientist. He's an expert chemist who operates a very competent analysis lab, has probobly seen more UGL product than anyone but a senior DEA chemist, and only a tiny fraction of "pharma" product from his paying customers in comparison.

Speaking of selection bias, in the rare instance one pays to have "pharma" products analyzed, it's likely because of well founded doubts it's actually genuine pharma to begin with. Not many of us feel the need to send out samples of the drugs we get through legitimate sources.
 
Speaking of selection bias, in the rare instance one pays to have "pharma" products analyzed, it's likely because of well founded doubts it's actually genuine pharma to begin with. Not many of us feel the need to send out samples of the drugs we get through legitimate sources.

Yes.
You are obviously referring to what I wrote, in a previous reply and so I can tell you it was someone who had never used it before, was rather fearful and had heard an acquaintance complaining that what they had bought was not "satisfactory" (whatever that meant).
So, I can understand why she did that, even though most people wouldn't care to, as you say.
 
Maybe it's because I gave up TV years ago, this has taken the place of entertainment for me.

This is the kind of minutia pharma has to contend with.

Want to "score" your tablet for easy splitting? That's a straightforward thing to implement, right?

No, you must submit a new application to the FDA along with all the evidence it's been analyzed and meets the stringent quality requirements in this doc. The FDA will want ongoing samples to make sure your tablet continues to "split well" even after approval.


And the not so minutia of ongoing tablet dose variance control. Fake these tests or records and they'll put you out of business for a good while. and when you are allowed to resume production, station inspectors right inside your factories to make sure you comply.

 
Would take one heck of a conspiracy for pharma, which is required to variance test the hell out every single batch, maintain extensive, routinely inspected records from their in house and external government certified labs, to hide the fact they have anything resembling haphazard UGL production quality.

The idea that all the expense and effort put into multi million dollar manufacturing facilities, specialist engineers and chemists whose careers are dedicated to tablet manufacturing, along with endless layers of QA and government oversight results in a similar end product to someone with basic equipment, a pill press, and until very recently, rarely a test of any kind done on the end product is hard to believe. I know we all like to imagine "Big Pharma" are a bunch of blundering, greedy idiots and our UGL tablets are made in some artisanal fashion by Walter White types, but that's ridiculous. Whatever mistakes professional manufacturers are making are undoubtedly multiplied by UGL drug dealers.

If they aren't as careful and as closely regulated as I suggest, lawyers are missing many profitable, easy lawsuits from the low hanging fruit of unsuspecting patients routinely getting improperly made meds from billion dollar pharmacy chains, their suppliers, all the way back to the manufacturer's Western subsidiaries and their international conglomerates HQ'd in India that supply most of the pills used worldwide.

Jano is a fantastic resource. I'm sure the fact he struck out on his own as a successful entrepreneur is a strong indicator he's also excellent in his craft as a chemical analyst.

However, we tend to elevate people who know far more than us in one area, into experts on everything tangential to it. As far as I know, he's not a pharmaceutical manufacturing engineer, compliance expert, regulator, or scientist. He's an expert chemist who operates a very competent analysis lab, has probobly seen more UGL product than anyone but a senior DEA chemist, and only a tiny fraction of "pharma" product from his paying customers in comparison.

Speaking of selection bias, in the rare instance one pays to have "pharma" products analyzed, it's likely because of well founded doubts it's actually genuine pharma to begin with. Not many of us feel the need to send out samples of the drugs we get through legitimate sources.
Did you even watch this video…

Look up USP Pharmacopaeia, the standards are way below the worst samples on Meso. For example, 4% dimer (% of high molecular weight proteins) is pretty shitty…

You like to type more than I do, but apparently just for the sake of reading yourself?
 
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