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@Ghoul almost has me convinced filtering is worth my time, does that count? I've been raw dogging it up until now.
In theory, we should all probably filter everything. In practice, it gets tedious. I’d filter oils 100% of the time, especially if IMing it. But that’s easy because you do it once and the vial is gtg for the most part. Peps you’d have to filter every time, which means you have to account for the volume lost in the filter (which you can with air or more bac water, but it’s a pain the ass). Filter tesa though, if that’s your flavor of the month. I’ve seen so many people have extreme allergic reactions to it that anything to mitigate that risk is worth it.
 
In theory, we should all probably filter everything. In practice, it gets tedious. I’d filter oils 100% of the time, especially if IMing it. But that’s easy because you do it once and the vial is gtg for the most part. Peps you’d have to filter every time, which means you have to account for the volume lost in the filter (which you can with air or more bac water, but it’s a pain the ass). Filter tesa though, if that’s your flavor of the month. I’ve seen so many people have extreme allergic reactions to it that anything to mitigate that risk is worth it.
I'm going to have to do more reading. Up until now I've dismissed filtering as unnecessary as I'm young and have a decent immune system. Pretty much all pep vendors have had some sort of sterility issue at some point and if any have come up positive for endotoxin's at a concerning level, I've missed out on seeing the report. I recently switched to pens so I could just jab myself straight from the fridge. I don't know if filtering would work for that usage if it has to be done every time, but I'd also prefer not to create a reaction inadvertently- I anticipate being on something for life. It's not like I have a shortage of product if I do go the filtering route. Peps are cheap- I'm sure significantly cheaper than oils- so losing a little to be safer doesn't concern me all that much. I have a pretty good stash.
 
@Ghoul almost has me convinced filtering is worth my time, does that count? I've been raw dogging it up until now.
What i meant is if you were into endotoxins and sterility you wouldn't be able to resist the puppy love and charm from my man . @readalot as that wood put the nail in the coffin... Cupid showed up just a day late. Perhaps Mr. @Ghoul read my intentions wrong and thought I was making fun of my friend read.. not the case. So then decided to start to separate worthy from unworthy people when we are all just people here.. all worthy all uniqueness and great in our own ways.. Hopefully I am on too much medication and read the post wrong where it is "I am better than most maggots here" it breaks my heart when people act that way. Either way I am one if the lowest command denominator members the man would be referring to!!
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I'm going to have to do more reading. Up until now I've dismissed filtering as unnecessary as I'm young and have a decent immune system. Pretty much all pep vendors have had some sort of sterility issue at some point and if any have come up positive for endotoxin's at a concerning level, I've missed out on seeing the report. I recently switched to pens so I could just jab myself straight from the fridge. I don't know if filtering would work for that usage if it has to be done every time, but I'd also prefer not to create a reaction inadvertently- I anticipate being on something for life. It's not like I have a shortage of product if I do go the filtering route. Peps are cheap- I'm sure significantly cheaper than oils- so losing a little to be safer doesn't concern me all that much. I have a pretty good stash.
Nah, oils are cheaper for us since we don’t require the same doses as our male counterparts.
I think there are actually some pretty in depth threads here regarding pens, and from what I recall, people only filter once per cart. So that might be the way to go.
If you’ll be on peps for life, definitely worth filtering. Ghoul has a lot of info on that, but the gist is that you want to avoid aggregates and immunogenicity.
 
What i meant is if you were into endotoxins and sterility you wouldn't be able to resist the puppy love and charm from my man . @readalot as that wood put the nail in the coffin... Cupid showed up just a day late. Perhaps Mr. @Ghoul read my intentions wrong and thought I was making fun of my friend read.. not the case. So then decided to start to separate worthy from unworthy people when we are all just people here.. all worthy all uniqueness and great in our own ways.. Hopefully I am on too much medication and read the post wrong where it is "I am better than most maggots here" it breaks my heart when people act that way. Either way I am one if the lowest command denominator members the man would be referring to!!
Peace
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I know you're well intentioned even if we disagree. No issue with us bro.
 
What i meant is if you were into endotoxins and sterility you wouldn't be able to resist the puppy love and charm from my man . @readalot as that wood put the nail in the coffin... Cupid showed up just a day late. Perhaps Mr. @Ghoul read my intentions wrong and thought I was making fun of my friend read.. not the case. So then decided to start to separate worthy from unworthy people when we are all just people here.. all worthy all uniqueness and great in our own ways.. Hopefully I am on too much medication and read the post wrong where it is "I am better than most maggots here" it breaks my heart when people act that way. Either way I am one if the lowest command denominator members the man would be referring to!!
Peace
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I went through the @readalot thread re: testing and sellers backing up their pharma grade claims. I'll keep reading before I draw actual conclusions since a lot of it goes over my head.

On the other hand I'm buying UGL stuff.
 
It's not that you have to use "per dose filtration" to benefit from filtering peptides. Reconstituting, pulling the whole thing into a syringe, attaching a filter, and injecting into a certified particle free vial is a huge improvement over current practice. Injecting back into the same vial is less desirable, but still a major improvement over nothing. Even just using pharma BAC or UGL BAC and the correct dilution ratio all help make the peptide safer, and likely more effective over the long term.

Like so many things there's the theoretical ideal, and a million steps short of that which are still worth doing and providing a benefit.

I like to define the theoretical "ideal", knowing what matters is what you can and are willing to actually do. Something determined by each individual.

I certainly make compromises as to how far I'm willing to go.

I try to translate known risks (often impossible to quantify with UGL compounds but real nonetheless) into "actionable" steps to reduce them, (@Dirthand).

Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good, as they say.

 
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know you're well intentioned even if we disagree. No issue with us bro
I was hoping that I was taking it the wrong way and that we were way past the point of where we were in the past. It's just been a hard week and a little more than I expected from the surgery so may be pretty loopy and on edge. The last thing I would want to lose is the mutual respect we have struggle get between us. Either fucking way I bought 4 boxes of BD pen needles and slinpens., and a box each 3ml and 1ml bd barrells walla go dam it.. we shall see id there is a difference. Still using Nipro needles tho dam it..
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I was hoping that I was taking it the wrong way and that we were way past the point of where we were in the past. It's just been a hard week and a little more than I expected from the surgery so may be pretty loopy and on edge. The last thing I would want to lose is the mutual respect we have struggle get between us. Either fucking way I bought 4 boxes of BD pen needles and slinpens., and a box each 3ml and 1ml bd barrells walla go dam it.. we shall see id there is a difference. Still using Nipro needles tho dam it..
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Can't vouch for the BD pen needles, but you know BD will always be good, if not the best.

Love the idea of injector pens, but the idea the cart suppliers are actually sterilizing and somehow not mentioning that fact is an example of a risk I won't take for convenience. They specify "sterile" for everything else they sell, they're a medical supplier, they know the significance of sterile.
 
Can't vouch for the BD pen needles, but you know BD will always be good, if not the best.

Love the idea of injector pens, but the idea the cart suppliers are actually sterilizing and somehow not mentioning that fact is an example of a risk I won't take for convenience. They specify "sterile" for everything else they sell, they're a medical supplier, they know the significance of sterile.
Well I just ordered 5 more pens and 200 more carts. I purchased the 29g 1/2 pen needles hopefully I can load a cart with Tne, it will be so much more convenient doing a quick shot with a pen from work to gym vs having to use a syringe.... the convenience vs risk with the pens far outweighs the risks for me personally..
 
It's not that you have to use "per dose filtration" to benefit from filtering peptides. Reconstituting, pulling the whole thing into a syringe, attaching a filter, and injecting into a certified particle free vial is a huge improvement over current practice. Injecting back into the same vial is less desirable, but still a major improvement over nothing. Even just using pharma BAC or UGL BAC and the correct dilution ratio all help make the peptide safer, and likely more effective over the long term.

Like so many things there's the theoretical ideal, and a million steps short of that which are still worth doing and providing a benefit.

I like to define the theoretical "ideal", knowing what matters is what you can and are willing to actually do. Something determined by each individual.

I certainly make compromises as to how far I'm willing to go.

I try to translate known risks (often impossible to quantify with UGL compounds but real nonetheless) into "actionable" steps to reduce them, (@Dirthand).

Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good, as they say.

Yep, lots of reading happening on this end. Dilution of the pep was also not something I'd considered; I started with research peps so I've never taken a dose even close to as diluted as you've suggested here a few times.

This is why multiple avenues of research are important, you don't know what you don't know.

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you don't know what you don't know.

Yes exactly. Even at the highest levels of medical research, there's a concept called "managing unknown risks".

That not about imagined risk, but that, while you may not know the exact cause of some threat, or even be able to measure it, you can observe enough to recognize there's something there, and that bad thing happens less when to do X.

Aggregates and immunogenicity both fall into that category. Read enough of the papers written over the last 20 years and you can watch it go from suspicion, to theories and hypothesis, to greater and greater understanding and increasing clarity about what can be done to deal with, and avoid the problems it causes, the FDA getting involved a few years ago, and the overall recognition of it as a serious and growing problem as protein drugs go from ultra-rare to increasingly common. Today it's a major focus, and yet many aspects are still mysteries.

Something as simple as the lab methods of measuring aggregates in a compound is, as recently as last year, going through major changes and a recognition they've been doing it in a crappy way, severely undercounting them for 20 years,
 
Yep, lots of reading happening on this end. Dilution of the pep was also not something I'd considered; I started with research peps so I've never taken a dose even close to as diluted as you've suggested here a few times.

This is why multiple avenues of research are important, you don't know what you don't know.

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I live at 4 lol. You know where you stand with 4, at the lowest point of potential energy.
 
Love the idea of injector pens, but the idea the cart suppliers are actually sterilizing and somehow not mentioning that fact is an example of a risk I won't take for convenience. They specify "sterile" for everything else they sell, they're a medical supplier, they know the significance of sterile.

@Ghoul I got packs of those china made “sterile” cartridges. I share the concern about being “sterile”. I got a radiochemistry lab with different samples of isotopes in protected lead containers and gamma ray oscilloscopes. You think I putting a small bag of cartridges into the shielded container with a Cobalt 60 isotope would sterilize my cartridges or vials?
 
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