Karius - ALP / BAL Lists -

[showstoppa]

Nevermind just got back in touch with angus, he will do testing but price has gone up and the testing is more extensive now. I will stick to that over lab max.

And karius good to see you are taking this seriously.

 

[alphastrength50]

interedted for results

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Angus isn't doing it anymore, will atleast not right now. I thought ecstasy also said no more steroids but I could be mistaken on that one.

You are correct.. Ecstasydata stopped doing AAS tests as of 7/25 or maybe they stopped taking samples then.. There was a recent thread here about it..

Either way it doesn't matter, ENOUGH evidence has been posted it was offered that all the shit would be sent back to him.. The onus is on Karius at this point..

I'm really fucking disappointed with your post in the AB thread IM.. Really disappointed.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Nevermind just got back in touch with angus, he will do testing but price has gone up and the testing is more extensive now. I will stick to that over lab max.

And karius good to see you are taking this seriously.

We've made it clear on Meso angus's tests seem suspect to say the least.

 

[graniteman]

Angus isn't doing it anymore, will atleast not right now. I thought ecstasy also said no more steroids but I could be mistaken on that one.

Ecstasy just tested somebodies var on July 24. You just send it in as unidentified or what you may think it is..ie: meth, ecstasy etc. I know it's not popular but those labmax tests are not a good reliable way to go guys. I have said this from the begining and so does labmax.. It's a ''pre-sumptive only test'' Look at all the misreads, outright wrong tests. Proof positive is on ecstasy.org People labmax tested ALP's var and it cam back winny, at the same time someone sent ALP's var was sent in as winny..guess what? It came back Var with no other compound sin it. The proof is on the reults page.

 

[showstoppa]

Oh I understand but I trust what lightspan said, as he seems extremely knowledgeable on them and he said they looked legit. I will go with my gut.

Didn't matter on this one. Y'all have posted plenty of evidence Imo

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Ecstasy just tested somebodies var on July 24. You just send it in as unidentified or what you may think it is..ie: meth, ecstasy etc. I know it's not popular but those labmax tests are not a good reliable way to go guys. I have said this from the begining and so does labmax.. It's a ''pre-sumptive only test'' Look at all the misreads, outright wrong tests. Proof positive is on ecstasy.org People labmax tested ALP's var and it cam back winny, at the same time someone sent ALP's var was sent in as winny..guess what? It came back Var with no other compound sin it. The proof is on the reults page.

Wow, well could they have possibly been given from 2 different samples??

Anyway, again the onus is on him.. Enough evidence has been posted.. Beside labmax the orals that were used had no effect.. Offered to send it all back, he can figure it out.. Not my job.

 

[graniteman]

Wow, well could they have possibly been given from 2 different samples??

Anyway, again the onus is on him.. Enough evidence has been posted.. Beside labmax the orals that were used had no effect.. Offered to send it all back, he can figure it out.. Not my job.

How long have you guys been on this. From what I've read Brutus just posted ''he just got $600 bucks worth of bunk gear'' That post was made today and somebodies pct has ended in gyno already? . You guys are jumping all over everyone who's trying to find facts. People are just trying to get facts and I've heard the proof and facts are all here but I haven't seen anything? Can you point me to the post?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

How long have you guys been on this. From what I've read Brutus just posted ''he just got $600 bucks worth of bunk gear'' That post was made today and somebodies pct has ended in gyno already? . You guys are jumping all over everyone who's trying to find facts. People are just trying to get facts and I've heard the proof and facts are all here but I haven't seen anything? Can you point me to the post?

This is me jumping all over people?! Really!?

The order was from May and tabs weren't used until recently.. Flenser, our in house labmax expert, proved what we already knew WITH PICS!!

I've yet to receive a reply email from karius..

I've got nothing to gain, we'll send it all back.. I will not however keep paying for testing and doing ALP's job of quality control..

 

[bickel29]

I understand why you personally don't want to invest any more time or money into testing johnny, but as always, the more testing results the better. If anyone else has K's tabs laying around, it would be great if you could test them, or get with the fellas who can test it for you, and make that happen.

Whether the source is 10 days old, or 10 years old, we need as many test results as possible.

For the record, I should say that I consider johnnyBALLZ and Brutus79 to be two of my better "friends" here at Meso. Their word is more than good with me. I trust JB and Brut.

That said, we need additional testing results if possible to support and strengthen the findings.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I understand why you personally don't want to invest any more time or money into testing johnny, but as always, the more testing results the better. If anyone else has K's tabs laying around, it would be great if you could test them, or get with the fellas who can test it for you, and make that happen.

Whether the source is 10 days old, or 10 years old, we need as many test results as possible.

For the record, I should say that I consider johnnyBALLZ and Brutus79 to be two of my better "friends" here at Meso. Their word is more than good with me. I trust JB and Brut.

That said, we need additional testing results if possible to support and strengthen the findings.

That kinda came off as me being a dick about paying for more testing..

People that really know me here or outside of here know I don't really care about the money.. It's the fucking point..

It's bullshit that the only response I've gotten so far with him is excuses about tabs not being in the pictures and so forth.. I've offered to send it all back.. Fix it and own it.

If I was only out to be reimbursed here I think we all know I'd have a much better chance at that solely dealing with this in private.. I really don't fucking care about that money, haven't seen it since May..

I'm going to bed..

 

[dper726]

I highly doubt labmax will provide a false testing on 5/5 products under analysis. 1/1 could possibly yield an incorrect reading. But the odds are to low for false reading when you are testing that item quantity especially by who it was performed.

Lets give some time to Karius to make things rights. Brutus isn't gonna go no where, so this isn't going to just disappear.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Angus isn't doing it anymore, will atleast not right now. I thought ecstasy also said no more steroids but I could be mistaken on that one.

Angus is still doing Mass Spec testing, I spoke with him yesterday about it. He basically said, its going to be $100/test, and you are on your own deciphering the results. He said he still wants to help members, but not get caught in all the drama.

When did ecstasydata.org say no more steroids? Oxandrolone sample was just done recently.. July24th, 2014.

And I dont understand why Brutus and Johnnyballz wouldnt want to get a second or even 3rd opinion on ALP orals. Isnt that the most logical thing to do? Doing the labmax is fine, but we need more proof then just a color. Mass Spec test them. I guess they dont want to spend another $100

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You guys keep saying ecstasydata.org isnt testing steroids anymore. Since when? Did someone get an email from them saying this? All you have to do is send in a tab/cap/powder and send it in as unidentified or you arent sure, or make something up. They will find out and post up results. I guess we can wait a few more weeks for more results and see if someone else sends in anavar, or another steroid for testing..

 

[TheSpectre]

How many other brothers out there have the same "bunk" batches?

We need to hear from others who ordered around the same time as Brutus!

 

[flenser]

@ItalianMuscle27 They sent them to me to test AFTER taking them long enough to know they don't work. Labmax was more of a confirmation than anything else. Two of the four items I tested definitely failed. One other, the nolva, was borderline. Admittedly, knowing ahead of time it was probably bunk could have influenced my interpretation of the nolva test, but not the other two.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I highly doubt labmax will provide a false testing on 5/5 products under analysis. 1/1 could possibly yield an incorrect reading. But the odds are to low for false reading when you are testing that item quantity especially by who it was performed.

Lets give some time to Karius to make things rights. Brutus isn't gonna go no where, so this isn't going to just disappear.

The problem with labmax is (and I hear this alot), its distinguishing the colors. Some look way to similar to others, so its hard to tell one from the other. Then if they sit too long they can change, etc. This issue was going on supermans anavar over at Outlaw. I guess the anavar tabs are red/pink, and right away with the test, they jumped the gun and assumed the anavar was actually dbol

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

@ItalianMuscle27 They sent them to me to test AFTER taking them long enough to know they don't work. Labmax was more of a confirmation than anything else. Two of the four items I tested definitely failed. One other, the nolva, was borderline. Admittedly, knowing ahead of time it was probably bunk could have influenced my interpretation of the nolva test, but not the other two.

My friends and I have real hg alavan anadrol. My friend used it for the first time and was super impressed by the results..weight and strength gain. He used the same anadrol again recently, and after 3 weeks, didnt gain a single pound, and only got a little stronger. Are you going to tell me our hg anadrol is bunk because he didnt gain any weight? Cmon.. If you aint eating enough food, you aint gaining weight period. My buds diet was way to clean, and he wasnt taking in enough calories. Hence the reason he thought the anadrol wasnt working.

I asked for brutus' diet or what he is eating and he still hasnt posted it. Why? No point now. He will probably post up an 8000 calorie day/diet and all the food he is consuming.. so it must be the anadrol

And why would ALP sell bunk Nolva? Doing the labmax is fine, but we need 2nd or 3rd opinion. Mass Spec test will clear this up..

 

[flenser]

My friends and I have real hg alavan anadrol. My friend used it for the first time and was super impressed by the results..weight and strength gain. He used the same anadrol again recently, and after 3 weeks, didnt gain a single pound, and only got a little stronger. Are you going to tell me our hg anadrol is bunk because he didnt gain any weight? Cmon.. If you aint eating enough food, you aint gaining weight period. My buds diet was way to clean, and he wasnt taking in enough calories. Hence the reason he thought the anadrol wasnt working.

I asked for brutus' diet or what he is eating and he still hasnt posted it. Why? No point now. He will probably post up an 8000 calorie day/diet and all the food he is consuming.. so it must be the anadrol

And why would ALP sell bunk Nolva? Doing the labmax is fine, but we need 2nd or 3rd opinion. Mass Spec test will clear this up..

K will have plenty of opportunity to mass spec the tabs when they send them back. Why would he sell bunk Nolva? Because he didn't test it, and didn't know it was bunk - if it is bunk. If he HAD tested it, he would have said so. Why would brutus lie about his diet?

 

[TheSpectre]

Why would he sell bunk Nolva? Because he didn't test it, and didn't know it was bunk - if it is bunk. If he HAD tested it, he would have said so. Why would brutus lie about his diet?

He said he tested ALL raws! Either a lie or someone who works in his manufacturing process stole or altered the raws after the "claimed" tests were done.