Karl from Sciroxx, Valkyrie, Western-BioTech, etc. Admits he saves customer's info for years!!

[Marcus]

So what your saying is that JB randomly... Literally has nothing better to do then make up shit about someone he knows nothing about and has no connection to, and goes on and on about this person... Who he does NOT know at all, and spends his time to make sure that no one buys from him out of some sort of misguided hatred towards the world and you? But really it's all just a big misunderstanding?

Please enlighten me as to your reasoning as to why he would do this to you. Because it seems he has only done this to you. There is not thread started about every other source on this board. Help us understand the reasoning behind his insanity Karl

 

[Flounder]

That's the difference between Meso and other sponsored boards. Here anybody can say anything they want at any time for any reason. Like sources saying they sell "better than pharma grade" gh without the proof. How about some real pictures of this lab, not the crap pics of some cheap pharmacy, and some in house testing results for starters. Any tests will do at this point. Anything to actually show you are making what you are selling.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Exactly as u said - JB claims that he got Sciroxx (not from me, but from a supplier which we stopped working with, and I learned today that he's the manufacturer of this Valk ....) which was bunk, and he defined me as his enemy

I called him and said that I in case he had any issue, he should work with the supplier, and of course report to us on Sciroxx.com. He said he did, I know he didn't cause we would never neglect such mail, so I asked him to prove me he talked to me, he said he deleted this, I said fine, maybe I may check if we ever talked to your mail (I know he's lying .....) and of course he wouldn't tell the forum (cause he lies....), and now he makes this nonsense drama cause it helps him to avoid the lies he spreads.

We tend to keep mails, like any normal biz, and we may use them later if we like to promote deals mess mails etc'we would never ever keep records on any transaction or any evidence, it's ridiculous, and u all know it, it's our safety on the line, and of course the safety of the customers, which is one thing,

There have never been any data base with personal info, this is rule number 1 ! and again for the 3rd time it's a clear must safety measure

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flounder - u asked for authentic pics, I honestly intentinally kicked out the chemist and his assistance, put out a sign with MESO on it and took pics, it includes all the equipment and some of the QA devices, these are not pics for the brochure, I may take such if u like me too with a pro photographer, I respected u and took authentic pics of a day in the lab,

Inspect the equipment and QA deviceS, bring here any real analytic chemist or bio chemist and confirm this clearly, the ELISA device is the one responsible on the chemical assay test defines in USP to HGH

AND GUESS WHAT ? ALL TESTS WHICH WERE DONE ON THE SOMASTIM CONFIRMED THE EXACT QUALITY I STATE ON (THEY ACTUALLY EXCEED IT)

i ENCOURAGE EACH AND EVERY MEMBER TO PLACE A RANDOM ORDER, TEST IT AND YOU'LL GET THE SAME RESULTS, THIS IS OUR COMMITMENT

 

[Flounder]

AND GUESS WHAT ? ALL TESTS WHICH WERE DONE ON THE SOMASTIM CONFIRMED THE EXACT QUALITY I STATE ON (THEY ACTUALLY EXCEED IT)

But seriously Karl, this thread has been running for 2 months now and you have not produced even one good in-house test to show the good people of Meso. Doesn't that seem even a little odd to you? I am NOT referring to Mands tests or the serum testing. Strictly what you have provided from in-house testing or a lack thereof. If you can't work out your differences with Dr. then at least give us something to work with. Anything. Any test. Something. Karl if you continue to preach the "better than pharma" line then you had better do something else to prove it because what you are doing is not working here at Meso. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it is what it is.

 

[pmac928]

Some one sold my email. I get advertisements from some lab all the time... I don't just give that shit out anymore.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flounder- r u serious ? I mean r u aware to the non sense u spit out ? cause some idiot here mentioned something baseless u follow him again like a sheep ?

Attached is the brief explanation done for "Ligthouse " request on our production and QA measures.

After this Doc Jim posted some doubts and my professor replied to him - shown in post to come after.

Our claims were clearly confirmed by Mands tests which will be shown in 3rd post after

No brand n the universe have shown such repeated evidence for quality, and well keep cooperating with any logical request of the members here and keep providing tests, anyone and everone are welcome to make any random order and test by any standards the Somastim, all tests will confirm pharma grade purity and potency like so far was proven

 

[Western-Biotech]

Dr. Jim raised some issues with respect to the lab tests, my professor gave his reply below, I offer to any one who knows a real analytic chemist or an expert biotechnology expert to talk to him on the skype in order to asses any claim, or raise any issue,

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Quality check of recombinant human growth hormone purity and biological activity.

1. The concentration of the hormone is determined by absorbance at 280 nm, assuming that 1 mg/ml will result in absorbance of 0.74. This value was calculated by a program of DNAman company.
   
   
2. The purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
   
   
3. The biological activity is tested in FDC-P1-9D11 cells stably transfected with human growth hormone receptor as described by Solomon et al. (2006) Growth Hormone & IGF Research 16 , 297–307. Compared to other commercially available recombinant human growth hormones (from Serono of BTG) our preparations exhibit identical or even slightly higher biological activity.
   

 

[Western-Biotech]

Find attached Mands tests on an independent USA lab

 

[Western-Biotech]

and more from Mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Close to a dozen of lab tests, some from very knows vets as Mands himself were posted either, all confirm the quality we declare on

 

[HiddenHippie]

Wow. Got all the answer I need. Dont even know nor follow anyone here yet. Opinions are my own. But thanks for settling it for me. Good day. Good luck. And Im gald you dont "shoot yourself in the leg". Peace be with you and your business.

 

[intel]

I don't understand what is even going on anymore. This whole argument is a continues circle jerk.

If you don't like him why are you even worried about this whole thing and if you are one those people who have to test products yourself rather than taking people's words then again non of this will effect you.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I don't understand what is even going on anymore.

I don't understand either...

Karl saves customer info for years!! /thread

 

[enjoy_tren]

You guys are naive if you think any source out there doesnt save your info in some form

 

[bigrobbie]

Wow. Got all the answer I need. Dont even know nor follow anyone here yet. Opinions are my own. But thanks for settling it for me. Good day. Good luck. And Im gald you dont "shoot yourself in the leg". Peace be with you and your business.

I know Karl from when Sciroxx was one of my sponsors on my blog. He has made a small empire. I feel Labs like Sciroxx and Asia pharma can stay somewhat secure and get rich letting authorized dealers and forums, and blogs run a hefty risk for meager rewards.

I only allow domestic sources advertise on my blog since Asia pharma was my worst vendor!

 

[Western-Biotech]

I know Karl from when Sciroxx was one of my sponsors on my blog. He has made a small empire. I feel Labs like Sciroxx and Asia pharma can stay somewhat secure and get rich letting authorized dealers and forums, and blogs run a hefty risk for meager rewards.

I only allow domestic sources advertise on my blog since Asia pharma was my worst vendor!

Something in the mechanism of relying on resellers hasn't proved itself for Sciroxx, the vendor may always abuse the rep behind the lab, make small or big mistakes and disappear, afterward may recruit a couple of reps and open under a new name a new vendor. Much more efforts and resources are invested in a lab and name like Sciroxx as u would imagine. Sciroxx is out there since early 2008, and has served many many thousands of customers, and for a good reason, while resellers come and every day.

AGAIN GUYS - IF U THINK THAT ANY SRC WOULDN'T KEEP YOUR MAIL FOR MARKETING PURPOSES (NEVER RECORDS OF TRANSACTIONS, OR ANY PERSONAL DETAILS - NEVER EVER), THEN U MUST B NAIVE CHILDS, OR U LIE TO YOURSELF, OR SHOULD I SAY - JUST LIE HERE TO MAKE DRAMA, ANY ONE WHO IS INVOLVES IN SELLING, FROM A HOME BREWER TO THE BIGGEST LAB WILL HAVE LIST OF MAILS,

I REALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHY SOME MEMBERS HERE LIKES TO TAKE THE DRAMA QUEEN ROLE AND TALK NONSENSE OVER BASELESS CLAIMS

 

[intel]

I don't understand either...

Karl saves customer info for years!! /thread

Bro even on silkroad members were liable to go the extra mile to protect themselves. You are ordering drugs online. The real question is what are YOU doing to protect yourself?

Are you using PGP? Are getting products shipped to a different address than your house? Are you using cash to do the money transfer or your debit/credit card?

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[HiddenHippie]

You guys are naive if you think any source out there doesnt save your info in some form

That is pretty much all I was saying. It sucks but it is a true fact. Was not trying to throw flames on the shit fire.

 

[Best Steroids]

Karl is not just a lying, dishonest scammer. He is a danger to anyone that orders from him. I am a respected source and ordered from him. To cut a long story short, he robbed me of 6K, knew I would kick up a stink, so asked for an address to send prods. He sent me a few hundred loose tabs which are absolutely no good to me or anyone else...then next thing I know, the address they were sent to got raided by LE. As the address was a virgin address, my first thoughts turned to Karl. I googled every lab he has been associated with and you would not believe the amount of busts linked to Karl.....draw your own conclusions!!!