Keeping muscle fullness on tren/mast/T3 cut cycle

[Hacksaw Jim]

After my current lean bulk cycle run with NPP/Test P and cytomel,, I plan to do a cut cycle utilizing tren ace at 500mg/week, mast prop at 490mg/week, test prop at 140mg/week and cytomel at 50mcg/day for about 8 to 12 weeks. I will likely utilize the clen/ketotifen stack for the last 5 weeks of the cycle. Now,, I know very well that oral steroids like superdrol and anadrol do a good job at keeping muscle fullness during a cutting phase. So,, my question is,, what do you guys all figure are the best injectable steroids for me to use to keep muscle fullness during this type of cut cycle (without the use of orals)? Or are orals simply the best way to go?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Eq high dosage or npp

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Switch out the mast for high primo or DHB.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Why is your goal keeping fullness?

To be honest, you’re going to be “full” until you’re in the basement for carb intake.

I find guys trying to do too much at once way too often. Aside from the fact that I doubt you’re actually going to go truly flat (diet is going to drive this...) choose a goal and ride the wave. If cutting is the goal, then cut, accept the flatness, and know the full bellies will come back after you’re done.

 

[Delt123]

More testosterone

 

[fodsod]

GH. It will help keep you full and contribute to your fat loss also.

 

[Hacksaw Jim]

Eq high dosage or npp

Well,, I am using test prop at 350mg/week and NPP at 560mg/week for my lean bulk cycle at the moment. Would you recommend I keep my NPP dosage the same during my cutting phase,,, or lower it?

 

[Eman]

Drop the T3 and the flatness will not be very pronounced if you have a sufficient diet.

High dose EQ and NPP makes very little sense to me if you're just trying to avoid flatness... taking less makes more sense than taking more.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Drop the T3 and the flatness will not be very pronounced if you have a sufficient diet.

High dose EQ and NPP makes very little sense to me if you're just trying to avoid flatness... taking less makes more sense than taking more.

Look who said that and it’ll make sense..

IMO you’re throwing WAY too much at this too early. Use the T3 and such when you’ve reached a point where the diet is getting too restrictive and cardio is getting heavy. This whole “retain mass” bullshit by using more drugs to do the work of cardio and diet changes is nonsense

 

[Hacksaw Jim]

Why is your goal keeping fullness?

To be honest, you’re going to be “full” until you’re in the basement for carb intake.

I find guys trying to do too much at once way too often. Aside from the fact that I doubt you’re actually going to go truly flat (diet is going to drive this...) choose a goal and ride the wave. If cutting is the goal, then cut, accept the flatness, and know the full bellies will come back after you’re done.

In the past,, I have found superdrol to be very effective for keeping that 'full' look while cutting on tren/masteron and cytomel.

Look who said that and it’ll make sense..

IMO you’re throwing WAY too much at this too early. Use the T3 and such when you’ve reached a point where the diet is getting too restrictive and cardio is getting heavy. This whole “retain mass” bullshit by using more drugs to do the work of cardio and diet changes is nonsense

I do see what you mean. When I am cutting,, I am very adamant about diet and cardio. Its just that in the past,, I did find superdrol to be very effective at retaining my muscle mass on a cutting phase and strick diet. I am in total agreement of what you said. But I was just asking originally about using an injectable that would do a similar job as superdrol would,, just because I would like to start utilizing orals and injectables on bulking phases and instantly followed by using injectables only on cutting phases.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

In the past,, I have found superdrol to be very effective for keeping that 'full' look while cutting on tren/masteron and cytomel.

I do see what you mean. When I am cutting,, I am very adamant about diet and cardio. Its just that in the past,, I did find superdrol to be very effective at retaining my muscle mass on a cutting phase and strick diet. I am in total agreement of what you said. But I was just asking originally about using an injectable that would do a similar job as superdrol would,, just because I would like to start utilizing orals and injectables on bulking phases and instantly followed by using injectables only on cutting phases.

I think people overstate losing mass on cutting cycles. If you’re on a decent test dose with other anabolics and eating appropriate amounts of protein your body is going to retain muscle mass no problem. I just don’t see guys wasting away to nothing like they say they will before they add a ton of other shit.

 

[master.on]

More testosterone

High T (and high Anadrol) dosages will ruin cutting.

Moderate T3 dosages (25 mcg real pharma, 50 mcg UG) will help overcome dieting tiredness while not "burning" much muscle.

There's also DNP, safe as long as you don't overdo it.

 

[Hacksaw Jim]

I think people overstate losing mass on cutting cycles. If you’re on a decent test dose with other anabolics and eating appropriate amounts of protein your body is going to retain muscle mass no problem. I just don’t see guys wasting away to nothing like they say they will before they add a ton of other shit.

What would you recommend as a decent test dosage at the tren/masteron dosages I will be taking?
Would you say my tren and masteron dosages are adequate? Should I increase or decrease one or the other?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What would you recommend as a decent test dosage at the tren/masteron dosages I will be taking?
Would you say my tren and masteron dosages are adequate? Should I increase or decrease one or the other?

You said test at just 140/week?

I’d probably run that:
- if you’re a tren over test guy > 350mg
- if you’re not > 500mg

That’s preference. But 140 seems low.

500/500 for mast and tren is perfect if you’re experienced with them both.

 

[Eman]

High T (and high Anadrol) dosages will ruin cutting.

Moderate T3 dosages (25 mcg real pharma, 50 mcg UG) will help overcome dieting tiredness while not "burning" much muscle.

There's also DNP, safe as long as you don't overdo it.

He's asking about muscle fullness and you recommend the two most flattening drugs there are... DNP and T3.

Get lost.

 

[master.on]

He's asking about muscle fullness and you recommend the two most flattening drugs there are... DNP and T3.

Get lost.

OP wants a CUTTING cycle
DIET is the main ingredient in cutting cycles.
DIETING is crucial.

So he can use some LOW t3 dosages to get some energy and overcome diet tiredness.

He can also use some low/moderate DNP dosages to burn fat despite his diet being a bit sloppy.

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[Eman]

OP wants a CUTTING cycle
DIET is the main ingredient in cutting cycles.
DIETING is crucial.

So he can use some LOW t3 dosages to get some energy and overcome diet tiredness.

He can also use some low/moderate DNP dosages to burn fat despite his diet being a bit sloppy.

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So you're here to let everyone know that T3 and DNP are fat burners... thanks for that useful advice, I'm sure no one on the forum was aware that T3 and DNP were used for this purpose.

 

[master.on]

So you're here to let everyone know that T3 and DNP are fat burners... thanks for that useful advice, I'm sure no one on the forum was aware that T3 and DNP were used for this purpose.

Metabolic rate and energy levels drop when dieting.
A TINY T3 DOSAGE can help overcome that with little muscle wasting.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Well,, I am using test prop at 350mg/week and NPP at 560mg/week for my lean bulk cycle at the moment. Would you recommend I keep my NPP dosage the same during my cutting phase,,, or lower it?

Go from there and just stack tren mast on top

 

[Delt123]

High T (and high Anadrol) dosages will ruin cutting.

Moderate T3 dosages (25 mcg real pharma, 50 mcg UG) will help overcome dieting tiredness while not "burning" much muscle.

There's also DNP, safe as long as you don't overdo it.

There is 500mg tren in there too, a equal test dose will ruin nothing, i honestly think it will help a lot more than other drugs (with Maybe the exception of Some orals). Would even drop all the rest, straight 500 test 350-500 tren. Should look magnificent on it