Lab Max Alternative

[tanuki]

So I want to get a thread going where people test their gear using cheapo strong acids available on ebay. Use the strong acid and instructions from the LM website to play around with what you've got. Have some baking soda ready to neutralize the acid and use your common sense. LE uses this as a quick and dirty way to test for the presence of steroids.

http://www-02.all-portland.net/bj/069/0079/0690079.pdf

http://www.dea.gov/pr/micrograms/2008/mg0408.pdf

To test if LM is using a strong acid as their method of testing just drop a pinch of Baking Soda. If you see bubbles then that's carbon dioxide from the acid base rxn.

 

[Drayen]

Mandelin test of Var
http://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsour...ewpsa_marquis_mandelin_test_of_steroidninjas/

Mandelin test of Var vs Winny
http://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk/comments/2y5e6p/psa_science_mandelin_test_of_var_vs_winny/

 

[Drayen]

Correction on my last post. The first link is a test of marquis, mecke, and mandelin on Test E AND mandelin test of var

 

[bdg77]

You can also get all those from dancesafe.org. They're like $20 a bottle or $65 for mecke, marquis, mandolin and simons reagents.
http://dancesafe.org/product/coomplete-adulterant-screening-kit/

 

[tanuki]

Good to actually see more alternatives out there and people actually reasoning and discussing.

 

[bdg77]

Oh yeah, it's not magic fairy dust is those vials. I've been doing a little homework on what has been used typically to detect the presence off aas in this type of test. Particularly by using uv light. So far the evidence points to various types of acids such as those in meckes reagent (sulfuric and selenic) and vanillin, of all things. Obviously there is a lot more research to be done. But it's a start. Not sure exactly what type(s) of acid work best. I'm sure there are people with a better understanding of chemistry than me. If we put our heads together, who knows, someone else can come up with their own test and make a few bucks while helping the communtity.

 

[tanuki]

Seems like the strongest acid in the highest concentration is sulfuric acid. Also cheapest too. Hope some other members here play around with it and post results. 17 bucks (labmax cost of two amps) will buy you more than enough sulfuric acid on ebay to play around with. Safety first use goggles, gloves and have baking soda around to neutralize the acid.

Hmmm vanillin has something to do with thin layer chromatography. I remember playing around with chromatography is basic o chem lab. It involved the IDing of a substance. None of us could get it right and weren't heading Chem majors so the instructor just skipped it. Melting point, IR spec, and H-NMR (doublets of triplets of quadruplets, the horror) were good enough to determine purity and identification.

 

[ebola]

Seems like the strongest acid in the highest concentration is sulfuric acid. Also cheapest too. Hope some other members here play around with it and post results. 17 bucks (labmax cost of two amps) will

I am not retard to fuck around with some acids. I just got refill 40 vials it came to $4 per vial.

Nice packed and proven record that it really works supported by a real lab.

 

[tanuki]

I understand. I have a fear of hydrogen hydroxide. Countless lives are lost to it each year.

 

[Nitrust]

http://testkitplus.com/product/complete-screening-kit-marquis-mecke-mandelin

You can get 40-50 tests out of this kit. For the price, this kills labmax. I would feel much better about using this than labmax. You could test and retest. This would help eliminate variables and screw ups. Not to entire you could test against several different reagents.

 

[bdg77]

I am not retard to fuck around with some acids. I just got refill 40 vials it came to $4 per vial.

Nice packed and proven record that it really works supported by a real lab.

I hear ya on that one. Experimenting with hazardous chemicals is not my idea of a good time. Labmax is good in that it is standardized. So that the results can be analized by comparisons. I still don't see as much more than a personal tool though. It's great when people post the results pics or vids. But at the same time it doesn't mean your product from same source will be the same. Someone could easily use something other than what they say they are testing to produce good or bad results. So the person posting the test results has to be credible as well. I don't have all the answers. But I do believe that someone who is knowledgeable in chemistry could make an improved test, available domestically at a very affordable price. Basically labmax is a simple liquid chromatography test. I read an article for the 1960's where they were testing race horses for steroids. It invovled a urine sample added to an acid with some vallinin in it. And evidently under uv light anabolic agents were detectable by flouresense. I posted a reply in a labmax thread a month or two ago where I looked up reagents for detecting aas. I sited four different sources and vanillin came up as a reagent to detect steroids under uv light in all of them I believe. The acid differed a bit. But anyone with the know and access to a lab might be able to figure something out. Even if it it works for just for one compound, that's still a huge victory.

 

[ebola]

I hear ya on that one. Experimenting with hazardous chemicals is not my idea of a good time. Labmax is good in that it is standardized. So that the results can be analized by comparisons.

Of course if you are chemist you can play. Setting up the bench getting all the glassware, how much is it going to cost you.

Some guys come with idea to buy acid on ebay it is just idiot talk.

You need a lab, make sure you get right results, it is for chemist only.

it is proven product, the price is low if you but whole kit, and what for do you need to fuck around with acids like some retard. I have had labmax for a few months and it is like nothing else I have seen before. It is nice product nice packed, ready to used, tested etc.

 

[tanuki]

Of course if you are chemist you can play. Setting up the bench getting all the glassware, how much is it going to cost you.

Some guys come with idea to buy acid on ebay it is just idiot talk.

You need a lab, make sure you get right results, it is for chemist only.

it is proven product, the price is low if you but whole kit, and what for do you need to fuck around with acids like some retard. I have had labmax for a few months and it is like nothing else I have seen before. It is nice product nice packed, ready to used, tested etc.

No more dangerous than driving a car or hazardous than filling up at a gas station. It's the same basic ingredients as whatever kit you bought. Bromosilicate glassware is pretty cheap and you neutralize that with sodium bicarbonate.

Of course it may be too much for some people that belong on the short bus as yourself.

 

[mercury]

Of course it may be too much for some people that belong on the short bus as yourself.

you can also argue to by a chicken and have your own eggs or just make your own car from parts on ebay or just bake your own bread

why the fuck did you buy furniture just pick up some nails and wood in the forest.

 

[tanuki]

you can also argue to by a chicken and have your own eggs or just make your own car from parts on ebay or just bake your own bread

why the fuck did you buy furniture just pick up some nails and wood in the forest.

Apples and oranges. Making an alternative to the current tests on the market shouldn't be more complicated than homebrewing. If you want to take labmax as the gospel and pay inflated prices for a few drops of strong acid. More power to you.

 

[bdg77]

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Apples and oranges. Making an alternative to the current tests on the market shouldn't be more complicated than homebrewing. If you want to take labmax as the gospel and pay inflated prices for a few drops of strong acid. More power to you.

I agree that only people with a good understanding of chemistry a correct lab station should attempt this. Sodium Bicarbonate works for neutralizing acid, it is relatively weak. Sodium Carbonate is a bit stronger. But there's a lot of safety gear you would want to have. Like chemically resistant apron, googles, gloves, emergency eye wash station. Right now it's just a quest for information. Like why isn't it common knowledge what exactly is in these tests? I'm sure some of us know or could find out fairly easy. I'd just like to see a domestic alternative that would be quicker and cheaper to get. They might even be able to make more specific tests with higher accuracy. I've spoken with a company that sells drugs tests. For $4 they have urine tests for just about everything. They problem is they have no clue of the demand for such tests and don't even understand why people want them. Not to figure out if they're on roids but to figure out if their roids are even real. Hopefully some one with the means to do so will capitalize on this market, they'll get rich quick. Personally I would rather pay a dollar or two for a test that probably cost a couple cents and have to play chemist. But as it stands Labmax is too much for my budget and I don't really want to wait 3 weeks for it to go through customs. Simple as that.

 

[mercury]

Apples and oranges. Making an alternative to the current tests on the market shouldn't be more complicated than homebrewing. If you want to take labmax as the gospel and pay inflated prices for a few drops of strong acid. More power to you.

you can buy acid on ebay or lemon juice and play in your garage, I am not going to argue with it. Labmax is like nothing else I have see before and I am sure that they will be some cheap copycats.

But if you are coming with some claims you need to have serious lab to support it.

Labmax is certified for use by LE, customs by state labs. It is reliable tool. Go and tell them to use your acid they will laugh at you. Sorry but I will not be changing for your acid.

I rather spend $150 on refill which comes with 40 test vial than on some cheap shit which has no credibility.

 

[dredd09]

Labmax ingredients are cheap reagent acids anyway, marked up outrageously. Why have that much faith in a company? Cheap copycats? You think labmax is the innovator of substance reagent testing? What can it do that a mandelin, merke, or marquis test cant? If someone cant handle sulfuric acid safely, then aas may not be for you anyway...how many bottles of acid can you get at home depot for $150.00? More credible perhaps because they send you vials? [emoji385] [emoji385]

 

[mercury]

how many bottles of acid can you get at home depot for $150.00? More credible perhaps because they send you vials? [emoji385] [emoji385]

some idiot posted something somewhere and you just repeat it and you do not have clue what you are talking about.

just some common sense if you pour acid on something it destroys everything, eats through, you cannot be that stupid and do not know that.

so how can you use acid to detect something so completed and fragile like hormones, just get a clue

 

[Kinikuman]

some idiot posted something somewhere and you just repeat it and you do not have clue what you are talking about.

just some common sense if you pour acid on something it destroys everything, eats through, you cannot be that stupid and do not know that.

so how can you use acid to detect something so completed and fragile like hormones, just get a clue

@mercury you've been an asset to the board in more ways than one. That being said, as a completely uninvolved observer I have to say that you seem to not only be a staunch proponent of LabMax. In my observation, you have grossly overstated the abilities of the test (no fault of your own), defended the usefulness of it at every opportunity and now you seem to even try to discourage others from seeking any alternatives. If I were a detective investigating this, I would absolutely form the first theory that you were somehow reaping economic gain from the sale of LM products. You have stated that you do not, yet I have to question the motive for your almost evangelical LM support.

Could you please give us all some clarity? I think it is important for the context of future discussions regarding all things LM.