Lab results can I start my 1st cycle

[jay510]

I should be more knowledgeable on this, because I have stage II CKD due to lupus, but unfortunately I'm not. My nephrologist doesn't have me taking any meds or supplements yet. He just tells me to drink the hell out of water and make sure all all my minerals are included in my fluids.

The most important thing when it comes to kidney health is to maintain a healthy blood pressure and keep blood glucose under control. High BP and BG are the leading causes of kidney disease. If you keep these where they need to be and stay well hydrated, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Also, I wanted to tell you congratulations on what you have accomplished so far. Everyone here loves to see a success story. Everyone here also loves to see when a new member actually takes the advice of members who have lot of experience with anabolics and transforming their bodies and lives. There's a lot of wisdom on this forum. Our main goal for everyone is harm reduction and being healthy. Keep up the hard work, brother, and keep us updated. You're going to do great.

Thank you very much appreciate it, I’m going a lot of reading on here and trying to learn and not rush I want to lose 35 more pounds and start my cycle I want to be at 230-235 pounds when I start but Im now worried a little bit cause of kidneys I’m thinking should I just take a cystatin C test for a real kidney test

 

[fike]

Thank you very much appreciate it, I’m going a lot of reading on here and trying to learn and not rush I want to lose 35 more pounds and start my cycle I want to be at 230-235 pounds when I start but Im now worried a little bit cause of kidneys I’m thinking should I just take a cystatin C test for a real kidney test

It wouldn't be a bad idea, but I don't want it to worry you. Elevated creatine is normal for people who exercise hard and lift weights, so that's more that likey why your egfr is that number. Intense exercise also makes my ALT and AST jump up quite a bit as well. A CC test would definitely rule out kidney function problems. Good to see you are taking the proper precautions.

 

[Fattyone]

Elevated creatine is normal for people who exercise hard and lift weights, so that's more that likey why your egfr

I’m not well versed in this area but I’m almost positive these two don’t have much to do with each other. I agree with what you’re saying about the elevated creatine, but I do not agree with what you’re saying about his eGFR. That’s pretty damn low and I’d be worried (personally).

 

[fike]

I’m not well versed in this area but I’m almost positive these two don’t have much to do with each other. I agree with what you’re saying about the elevated creatine, but I do not agree with what you’re saying about his eGFR. That’s pretty damn low and I’d be worried (personally).

Well, you're technically disagreeing with my nephrologist. lol. I'm just regurgitating what he tells me concerning elevated creatinine and BUN in people who exercise intensely. From what he has told me and what I've read, intense exercise can show false readings concerning kidney function levels. Creatine alone is not a good indicator of actual kidney function in athletes, especially strength athletes. Other tests like cystatin c (CC), Urine albumin-to-creatinine ratio (UACR), BUN, and Creatinine all need to all be looked at together to gauge true kidney function. A 24 hour urine collection also has to be done. Even if those blood tests come back out of whack, a kidney tissue biopsy is usually needed for a good diagnosis to happen. This all had to take place in my case to get my diagnosis anyway.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, btw, but BUN and creatinine will show up elevated a lot of the time in strength athletes. I totally do feel like he needs to get it looked at, though. I just don't want to sound alarmist. That is counter productive. Know what I mean?

 

[jay510]

Well, you're technically disagreeing with my nephrologist. lol. I'm just regurgitating what he tells me concerning elevated creatinine and BUN in people who exercise intensely. From what he has told me and what I've read, intense exercise can show false readings concerning kidney function levels. Creatine alone is not a good indicator of actual kidney function in athletes, especially strength athletes. Other tests like cystatin c (CC), Urine albumin-to-creatinine ratio (UACR), BUN, and Creatinine all need to all be looked at together to gauge true kidney function. A 24 hour urine collection also has to be done. Even if those blood tests come back out of whack, a kidney tissue biopsy is usually needed for a good diagnosis to happen. This all had to take place in my case to get my diagnosis anyway.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, btw, but BUN and creatinine will show up elevated a lot of the time in strength athletes. I totally do feel like he needs to get it looked at, though. I just don't want to sound alarmist. That is counter productive. Know what I mean?

I just paid for a CC test, Prosate test, UACR test I’ll take it Tomorrow and have an update for you hopefully by Wednesday I just took Hormone test yesterday so I’ll have them numbers Monday or Tuesday

 

[Fattyone]

Well, you're technically disagreeing with my nephrologist. lol. I'm just regurgitating what he tells me concerning elevated creatinine and BUN in people who exercise intensely. From what he has told me and what I've read, intense exercise can show false readings concerning kidney function levels. Creatine alone is not a good indicator of actual kidney function in athletes, especially strength athletes. Other tests like cystatin c (CC), Urine albumin-to-creatinine ratio (UACR), BUN, and Creatinine all need to all be looked at together to gauge true kidney function. A 24 hour urine collection also has to be done. Even if those blood tests come back out of whack, a kidney tissue biopsy is usually needed for a good diagnosis to happen. This all had to take place in my case to get my diagnosis anyway.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, btw, but BUN and creatinine will show up elevated a lot of the time in strength athletes. I totally do feel like he needs to get it looked at, though. I just don't want to sound alarmist. That is counter productive. Know what I mean?

Read my post again. I agree about the creatine levels.. I’m talking about the eGFR.

Which I know is an estimation and uses other things to get there.. but still.

 

[fike]

Read my post again. I agree about the creatine levels.. I’m talking about the eGFR.

Which I know is an estimation and uses other things to get there.. but still.

I'm sorry, brother. Definitely read what you were saying wrong. I thought you were saying you didn't believe there was a correlation between strength training and elevated creatinine levels.

As for his eGFR, anything close to 60 is definitely cause for concern. That's stage II CKD levels. I just don't want the guy to worry too much since the elevated creatinine is really the only marker that seemed to indicate the kidney damage. Stage II is where we really have to start monitoring the kidneys hard. It's a scary thing for sure and elevated creatinine actually what signaled me to start digging deeper to find out what was going on with myself.

I just noticed I've been type out creatine instead of creatinine. Haha. Two different things. Damn phone keyboard is messing me up.

 

[Fattyone]

As for his eGFR, anything close to 60 is definitely cause for concern. That's stage II CKD levels

Yea I agree..

I just don't want the guy to worry too much

Errrrr… ?

Stage II is where we really have to start monitoring the kidneys hard. It's a scary thing for sure

Yea…




Dude needs a doctor, not a steroid cycle or forum

 

[laclark89]

Make sure ur fully hydrated before getting a kidney check, I wouldent train hard a day or 2 before either. Id drop the peptides, Once you get it figured out I would stick just to test, see how far you can take it.

 

[4Drago]

Based on your pic you either already have gyno or just a large amount of chest fat. It would be so much easier dialing in your first cycle if you can get your bf down to 15%.
If you insist on starting a cycle I'd stay with just test and have an AI on hand. This way if your e2 gets crazy your ready. Do labs midway thru your cycle to see where your e2 is at.
If you're having problems with high e2 sides then you can look into primo. But you need to first see how you respond to just test. If you add primo you'll again want to get labs and check e2.
This is why you start out with just test. You have a lot of dialing in to do! If you start off with test, primo, and deca, this will be impossible.

 

[jay510]

Make sure ur fully hydrated before getting a kidney check, I wouldent train hard a day or 2 before either. Id drop the peptides, Once you get it figured out I would stick just to test, see how far you can take it.

Yeah I’m not gonna take the Tirzepatide no more just have to continue to try to lose without it thanks for your feedback

 

[jay510]

Based on your pic you either already have gyno or just a large amount of chest fat. It would be so much easier dialing in your first cycle if you can get your bf down to 15%.
If you insist on starting a cycle I'd stay with just test and have an AI on hand. This way if your e2 gets crazy your ready. Do labs midway thru your cycle to see where your e2 is at.
If you're having problems with high e2 sides then you can look into primo. But you need to first see how you respond to just test. If you add primo you'll again want to get labs and check e2.
This is why you start out with just test. You have a lot of dialing in to do! If you start off with test, primo, and deca, this will be impossible.

Makes total sense figure the base first thanks

 

[jay510]

Just got off phone with my doctor at Kaiser she said every thing is normal they said different results is with different labs she also said creatinine is high for people with muscle or working out she ordered me labs for Kaiser I’ll take them tomorrow after work also

 

[jay510]

She compared the test I took with Kaiser to the last 2 I took with quest health so I’ll go back to Kaiser tomorrow egfr with Kaiser was 81 and with quest lab 72,69

 

[jay510]

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[roofer22]

Yeah thanks I workout every weekday morning before work 20 min cardio treadmill and lift weights for 50 min every time I drink a gallon of water a day at least because I been taking Tirzepatide im going to stop taking it to see is that another reason why my kidneys been over worked

Is there any good Kidney support for dealing with creatinine is acia fiber good for this?

I'd add in Astragalus Root. extract year round. If you're gonna do those orals I'd get at least 6000/day breakfast/dinner probably closer to 8000. At the very least research it and make your own decisions. Harm reduction is better than trying to fix things after they get fucked.

 

[jay510]

Thanks I’ll look into it

 

[jay510]

hormones test just came

 

[jay510]

hormones test just came

 

[fike]

Once again, I'M NOT A DOCTOR, but I think you'll be just fine to go on at least of TRT dose of testosterone to get you into the high normal range while you finish leaning out and can run a proper higher testosterone cycle. I believe it will be beneficial to you and will make you feel better while doing what you're doing. You're E2 is already slightly high, so try to get that dialed in while on cycle, because, like @4Drago said above, you may already have some gyno and may be prone to gyno or other E2 related side effects. If you are concerned about fertility I'd suggest running 250-500 IU of HCG from the very beginning of your journey. Just keep in mind that HCG can cause a serious rise in E2 as well. I use .125-.25 arimidex twice a week if I'm on blast to keep my E2 in check. Arimidex may not be for you though. Look into aromasin as well. Start low and go slow with everything, brother. 140-160 mg of test cyp or test e with 500 IU HCG gets me into the high normal upper reference range of LabCorp tests. I'm not saying this is where you should start, but I'm just giving you an idea of where I'm at when I'm on a "cruise" dose.