Lean bulk cycle advise/ direction.

[Buffed Shark]

Greetings yall

For context the question is for those who have experience running test + primo, test + eq and test + Mast

I'm currently wrapping up a long recomp/cut about 6 months. Dropped about 45 lbs and had some significant muscle increase. I started with trt+ 200-250 mg cyp weekly for 2 months. Started increasing test gradually till i hit around 500 for few weeks to assess tolerance. Started to get some e2 symptoms after about 1-2 weeks where i planned to add primo at 150 - 200 mg. Went for blood work and long story short found my sustainable ratio at 450 test cyp and 330 primo. Blood work is good progress is good and been going well for the past 2 months. Should wrap up in 1 months and go into a health phase for 4-6 weeks.

My plan after the 4-6 weeks health phase is to go into a lean bulk. While i enjoyed the gains from the primo with the test, i'm looking to try a different compound for my next bulk. While i've tried mast before i dont think its the right compiund for my next goal. So i wanted to get some opinions weather i should do test and eq for the bulk or just stick to the test and primo. I cant say i'm super satisfied with muscle gains the past few weeks though been increasing my calories i feel i'm capping out and dont wanna really go beyond 1G weekly.

For those who ran test + primo and also ran test with Eq. What significant differences have you seen from gains, strengths, bloat, water weight, lean tissue between the 2.

I'm currently between 12-15 % bf and expect to be closer to 10 by the end of the recomp and maintain during the halth phase.

I have tried deca, npp in previous cycles [individually] but i dont do well with these compounds. I have access to all those so shouldnt be an issue to experiment however would love to hear your experience with both.

Might add mast for a finish towards the end for final touches.

Thanks in advance. Feel free to ask if i missed something

 

[buck]

EQ was always a go to for me. Actually Bold Cyp was what i used most of the time. I did as well or better then with most other compounds excluding tren. Bold made for better gains than primo for me. Doses being equal.

Adding mast at the end seems like a waste to me if there isn't a show or some such thing as putting more of a health strain on the body for a few weeks of looking better does not seem productive to me long term.

 

[Buffed Shark]

EQ was always a go to for me. Actually Bold Cyp was what i used most of the time. I did as well or better then with most other compounds excluding tren. Bold made for better gains than primo for me. Doses being equal.

Adding mast at the end seems like a waste to me if there isn't a show or some such thing as putting more of a health strain on the body for a few weeks of looking better does not seem productive to me long term.

How did you find managing e2 with eq vs primo in your experience ?

 

[buck]

How did you find managing e2 with eq vs primo in your experience ?

Only way to know is to get blood tests.

 

[RockyP]

If you're dead set on running 2 compounds, 500-600 test, 250-300 EQ. EQ should bump your appetite also. Bulking is about food, less so gear. And whether or not the bulk is lean or not will be a result of your diet more than gear. I am currently using anadrol while cutting and I have zero "Anadrol sides" such a water retention, hypertension, etc. Because I'm in a calorie deficit, diet is clean, and doing a good amount of cardio. But I think I know what you mean in that you don't want something that will make you look very watery / puffy when you start slamming the carbs, in which case you are wise to avoid nandrolone in that scenario. But this is more of a diet thing. The only issue with EQ is going to be dialing in your estrogen. 2:1 test to EQ is a reasonable place to start, but if for some reason your E2 crashes, it will take a few weeks to fix. If EQ does nothing for your E2, then you'll need to figure that out with AI / adjust dose, etc. That's why some guys like to just add Masteron once they reach a dose of test they can tolerate with an AI. It wont blow your socks off but it IS an anabolic steroid and it DOES increase protein sytnhesis. Whether or not most of yours gains come from the test is irrelevant. The Mast is still working. Of course the other option is to just run higher test with an AI. No idea why that has fallen out of fashion but it is the most straightforward way to go about it. Titrate the test up, have some aromasin on hand, make adjustments as necessary. The secondary anabolic as an AI thing really only makes sense when your test dosage is over 500. For all the shade thrown at masteron for not being anabolic, 200 of EQ / Primo per week is pissing in the wind anabolically. You'd be way better off running 200 more test and adding an AI if needed.