yes and the kid Sampei knows about it since ive posted my whole story in the ciraws thread.
Making jokes about something like that is respectless, i hope he is a kid around the age of 15, else it is not acceptable (maybe in italy..dunno)
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Making jokes about something like that is respectless, i hope he is a kid around the age of 15, else it is not acceptable (maybe in italy..dunno)
malfeasance
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All true.
I just don't see socializing it as the solution.
There ARE solutions, but all we are going to see are socialist solutions the more we elect them (Democrats = socialist, and Republican = Socialist Lite).
Test_Subject
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Sort of.
It’s not “increasing” our tax burden relative to the US (which is what the article implies) because there’s no increase over the US’ costs.
The tax dollar payout is a smaller total sum relative to US, so calling it a higher burden is disingenuous. The sources from which the taxes are collected may differ, but the overall tax burden is lower when you’re spending less tax dollars at the end of the day.
malfeasance
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Our government is already the largest payer of healthcare costs. Shifting more of those costs to government would require increasing our tax burden. It would go higher.
The statement you are criticizing in the article is basically just another way of saying healthcare isn't "free" because it is paid for by taxes (I realize healthcare in Canada is not all free and much is private pay, but I think that is the only point that is being made).
You said it yourself about your taxes being higher - that means more services. So I really am not following what it is you are arguing about.
The statement you are criticizing in the article is basically just another way of saying healthcare isn't "free" because it is paid for by taxes (I realize healthcare in Canada is not all free and much is private pay, but I think that is the only point that is being made).
You said it yourself about your taxes being higher - that means more services. So I really am not following what it is you are arguing about.
malfeasance
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"These extra taxes are largely driven by government health care costs." That is the statement you are claiming is not true.
It is true. You just think you have another way to present your argument. I am not opining on whether your way of presenting your argument is right or wrong. I am only saying that the statement you quoted as false is indeed true.
It is true. You just think you have another way to present your argument. I am not opining on whether your way of presenting your argument is right or wrong. I am only saying that the statement you quoted as false is indeed true.
cochino
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This simply isn't true. My ex is a teacher and she pays $800 a year in health insurance. (I'm sure this varies by State. We live in Texas).
I pay $850 a year and that includes vision, long term disability and accidntal death and dismemberment.
As I said earlier, dictor visits are $20, physicals and bloodwork are free and my prescription co-pay is $10.
Our system here is far from perfect, but I will take it over socialized medicine any day.
Test_Subject
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Government A spends $7000 in taxes per capita on apples.
Government B spends $11000 in taxes per capita on apples.
Which government has the higher tax burden due to the purchase of apples?
Regular Joe
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That is what you pay, not how much is paid for you. If a company offers healthcare they have to pay at least %50. The pic below seems to be a national average
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malfeasance
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Govt B does not pay $11,000. I am not sure why we are in miscommunication with each other, but that appears to be it.
Guess what? Govt A does not pay $7000, either.
The scene is way more complicated than that. The report you did not want to read gives the numbers for private pay in Canada, BTW.
Theworm
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50% of 325 million is still more than 4 times the population of the entire country of Canada. Little different.
Test_Subject
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The figures that I gave you are per capita. How is it different?
3 people out of 10 not paying taxes in an economy 1/10th the size is no different than 30 out of 100 not paying taxes in the larger country.
That’s the beauty of per capita figures: they scale.
cochino
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Yes and most companies normally do, but to say a teacher or cop pays $8,000 out of pocket is misleading.
I'm a self employed farmer/rancher. I no longer work for that particular agency but I was able to carry my health insurance plan.
I have friends who are small business owners who provide insurance for their employees who choose to participate. Doing so keeps their insurance costs down as well especially when you have group insurance.
Theworm
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I don’t have the time to look up stuff right now but I live in a state where 20% are on food stamps and the city I live in is overwhelming on Medicaid. When the majority of people don’t pay shit, socialized anything becomes a disaster.
Here libs push ah almost communistic view of socialism and it just doesn’t work, can you tell me one country where it works?
Also people are escaping these countries (Cuba etc) risking their lives to come to the USA. If our issues here are so bad (racism and health care) why does everyone wanna come here?
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Regular Joe
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I said is paid out, I didn't say out of pocket. You sound like the free healthcare crowd, the employer paid for it so it was free=the government paid for it so it's free. I don't pay anything out of pocket but over 10,000 a year is paid out on my behalf. So the question is if we go free healthcare provided by the government are the taxes going to go up more than what is being paid out by the employee/employer a year and how would coverage change? There is no free healthcare, I just showed you the average, it's almost 8000 a year taken from the average worker before ever using it
cochino
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I never said there was free healtcare. I said it was affordable. I would rather the private sector come up with ways of rewarding their employees with affordable Healthcare the turning it over to the government.
When was the last time you saw government successfully manage anything? I will wait for an answer.
Test_Subject
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How did you get all that from me saying that the US pays more for their healthcare per capita and that Canada has a higher unemployment rate?
Cuba? What?
Regular Joe
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We've got the best military in the worldI never said there was free healtcare. I said it was affordable. I would rather the private sector come up with ways of rewarding their employees with affordable Healthcare the turning it over to the government.
When was the last time you saw government successfully manage anything? I will wait for an answer.
Theworm
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You keep implying Canada is superior in regards to health care.
When I was at the Cleveland clinic they had tons of Canadians there for heart procedures, so why would they go if healthcare in Canada was better?
I wish we can send all our liberals to Canada and have a great country here again. Dems here are great at destroying jobs and living off other people’s money. Not directing this to test subject, just more of a rant
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cochino
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We also have the best militia in the world.
Now name me a country with a private military? I'll wait.
Test_Subject
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Yeah, I really didn’t though. I said that our system is cheaper in response to someone claiming that social medicine costs more. Even if I did say that our system was better (which, again, I didn’t), the fuck does that have to do with Cuba my man?
You went from 0 to Joseph McCarthy in record time.
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