malfeasance
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Ah, yeah, free healthcare (or more likely government sponsored healthcare) probably does not leave much of a market for free market solutions and cost reductions.
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Test_Subject
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I pay like $60 a year for my test. $0 for the test and whatever the dispensing fees are. I think they’re like $8?
Pretty competitive if you ask me.
malfeasance
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Sorry, I am not sure what you are trying to say? I was responding to an Italian's comment that starting a goodrx type company in Italy is probably not worthwhile because of "free" healthcare. That sort of market distortion does not really leave a lot of room for entrepreneurs.
And your response is something about dispensing fees? I don't follow what it has to do with the discussion.
Test_Subject
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I’m from Canada and we have “free” healthcare. That’s why I chimed in.
My point was that places like Goodrx are not really needed in most countries with social medicine because our prices for drugs aren’t insane to start with.
malfeasance
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Sure.
Your point is correct.
There are other costs, though, to drugs in such countries, seen and unseen, as well as unintended consequences. I'll leave that debate for another day.
Your point is correct.
There are other costs, though, to drugs in such countries, seen and unseen, as well as unintended consequences. I'll leave that debate for another day.
Bumpygooch
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You mean like a disproportionate tax rate and exorbitant wait times on very important medical issues like imaging? 10+ week wait for an MRI. Had I been Canadian and did what I did to my shoulder and had to wait that long(I got an MRI the next day), I would’ve been fucked, had surgery 3 weeks later. So, yeah, something of a trade off.
Test_Subject
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We actually pay less in taxes for our healthcare than the US does but OK.
Emergency procedures don’t wait that long. Stop drinking the insurance lobby coolaid my dude. They have a vested interest in keeping things expensive.
Our system has issues, but most of the nonsense that I hear about it makes me roll my eyes.
cochino
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Yeah there's no such thing as 'free' especially healthcare.
Skarpyona
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My experience with the Canadian health care system has been sub par. Wait times of 6+ months for specialists, and I have been on the waiting list for a family doctor for
10 y e a r s. I go to a private clinic because I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford it, but it pisses me off I'm paying for a medical system I cannot take advantage of and everytime I need a consult I'm out of 210$
Test_Subject
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How did you wait 10 years for a family doctor? I found one in literally half an hour. I called them, showed up the next day and filled out my medical info and bam. Done. Do you live in Buttfuck Manitoba or something?
Our system isn’t even close to perfect, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of the myths about it from the US side are pure propaganda to keep people buying insurance.
Skarpyona
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The glorious socialist Republic of Quebec has a very big shortage of doctors and the a significant back log of young adults who are waiting for a family doc.
I don't disagree with you, we are generally better off than our American brethren, but there's a lot of room for improvement with our own system, specifically all the bureaucracy and yellow tape weighing everything down
cochino
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Not sure where you get your statistical data as far as the US paying more for healthcare.
Depending on the severity or nature, I can get an emergency procedure within the same day.
My copay for doctors visits is $20, labwork and physicals I pay zero. My script for a 10 ml vial of test is $10, less than a $1 a week.
We have issues as well but the nonsense you speak of are what you read in the news.
Problem in the US is not normal medical visits, is important surgeries or medical issues that will rekt you. Even with insurance many procedures cost you thousand of thousands of dollars.
By statistic the first risk for an American family to get rekt economically is: medical bills (even with proper insurance).
So yeah I believe for small things you do have a much better system but for anything serious I would never like to be in USA unless I'm a multi millionaire.
Plus how much do you pay for insurance in USA? How much is it monthly for a family of 4?
By statistic the first risk for an American family to get rekt economically is: medical bills (even with proper insurance).
So yeah I believe for small things you do have a much better system but for anything serious I would never like to be in USA unless I'm a multi millionaire.
Plus how much do you pay for insurance in USA? How much is it monthly for a family of 4?
skinnyprimate
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I pay under $5k to insure my family (4 of us) for the year.
What's the average salaries in USA?
What about surgeries? What kind of deal do you have with your insurance? What % do they pay? Different surgeries different %?
Test_Subject
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Code:
https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htmFilter that data by “government/compulsory”. The US pays more for healthcare than any country in the world… and it’s not even close. Filter by “Total” if you want to see something really eye-opening.
Those numbers are from the OECD, so reflect the numbers that member countries submit. I’m not getting this from the news at all. This is hard data.
Theworm
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Reason why socialized health care can work in Canada etc is because unlike the USA, it doesn’t have have the population not working or paying taxes. That means here the working class esp those making more will have to flip the bill again for those choosing not to work. Remember nothing is “free.”
Test_Subject
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Canada actually has a slightly higher percentage of unemployed people than the US does.
Code:
https://data.oecd.org/unemp/unemployment-rate.htmBumpygooch
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I destroyed my shoulder benching in December. Got a Dr appt the next day($30 copay), MRI the following day($20 copay), and surgery 3 weeks later($200 copay), I pay $8/month for health insurance.
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