Liver support

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

A pissing match that's not true at all. But rather you now realize it's best to bow out now from that "critical analysis" you wanted so desperately earlier!

The fact is even you now realize your limited understanding of, and the inability to apply, the required concepts of physiology, pathology, biochemistry, and medical therapeutics negates such a critical analysis.

Your entire discussion has been one of deflection, confusion , confabulation from beginning to end.

I gotta give you credit for proving one point however! You have unequivocally prven your are FOS!

The degree to which Mr. Easy has become an expert on liver protectors is nothing short of astonishing. Why it just seems like it was only two months ago that he was asking noob questions about such products.

Hi everyone, I understand that liv52 is great to use during cycle -especially with orals - to protect the liver. I also understand that n2guard is effective at protecting the liver along with almost all other internal organs as well, so it is essentially a more comprehensive cycle support product.

My question is, can it be useful to run both supplements in order to provide greater degrees of liver protection, while also protecting kidneys, blood pressure, etc? Would it be ineffective to run both, would it be "overkill"?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[B Easy]

The degree to which Mr. Easy has become an expert on liver protectors is nothing short of astonishing. Why it just seems like it was only two months ago that he was asking noob questions about such products.

Ya its really weird how when people have questions, they can do research and ask for help from those who know more about whatever phenomenon is of interest. Its crazy, like how a person can spend a couple months combing through academic databases , reading medical journals, and you can actually do something called, "learn". Its really crazy the extent that "learning" can improve how much stuff you know about. In college we were on a quarter system which is only 11 weeks usually. Becoming knowledgable in a subject in a short time period is precisely the objective of a class, and it something that any educated person has grown accustomed to. So ya, two months ago I had some questions , I asked , got some answers, did some independent research , got some more answers and so on. I suggest you try it sometime. Hopefully in 2 months from now you will be more informed than you are right now, hopefully.

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^^^^^^ DAMN IMPRESSIVE, DUDE BECAME A FOS "EXPERT" IN ELEVEN WEEKS, LMFAO!

 

[B Easy]

^^^^^^^^^ HE'S FOS, FOS, FOS!

Hahaha another measured,well articulated, cogent point from the "doctor" lol.

Still waiting on that study...

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

...if you have anything else to say, say it after you produce a study that proves liv52, NAC, and TUDCA has zero benefits to liver values, as you have states implicitly and explicitly throughout the duration of this conversation. Anything else is just an attempt by you to save some dignity by either critizing or making fun of me. Feel free to do both if you wish, but it only serves to prove your inability to offer meaningful evidence to support your erroneous claims.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hahaha another measured,well articulated, cogent point from the "doctor" lol.

Still waiting on that study...

Why waste my time/ Heck I wouldn't have bothered had I known your were an "ELEVEN WEEK EXPERT", LMFAO!

Hey Mr expert do tell us the gold standard used to determine whether a specific therapy will alter a cirrhotic patients outcome (prognosis)!

Hint it's NOT LFT's, LOL!

Oh yea that's quite applicable bc if you don't know what assay or test best evaluates therapeutic efficacy, you would't possess the fund of knowledge required to critique ANY citation I might post.

 

[B Easy]

...still waiting on that study guys. The simple fact is that you still haven't produced a shred of evidence to support your case. All I read is blah blah blah blah blah...produce a study.

 

[B Easy]

Why waste my time/ Heck I wouldn't have bothered had I known your were an "ELEVEN WEEK EXPERT", LMFAO!

Hey Mr expert do tell us the gold standard used to determine whether a specific therapy will alter a cirrhotic patients outcome (prognosis)!

Hint it's NOT LFT's, LOL!

Ughhh....first off "doctor", again, you are unable to read at a 2nd grade level. I didn't say I was an expert, I said I had conducted research over the past 2 months. This is just another example of why conversing with you is so frustrating. How can we have a healthy debate when you cant even demonstrate the most basic reading comprehension skills? I am relieved to know that there is just no way your a medical doctor, theres just no way anyone who successfully completes medical school could possibly be so dull.

Again, produce a study and stop trying to change the subject, as you have continued to do over and over again.

 

[Dr JIM]

BEEN THERE DONE THAT! The score is my FIVE to your ONE. And that ONE you haven't the faintest idea about how to use it on a real time clinical basis!

What you see is what you get. Not satisfied I could care less, bc I'm not on Meso to please the likes of you, lol!

 

[B Easy]

If you really think that any of those "studies" you posted in any way sheds light on the potential benefits (or lack thereof) of liv52, TUDCA, and/or NAC, on overall liver values, then I'm afraid you are once again (ive lost count at this point) sadly mistaken. If its really necessary I would be happy to illustrate why each one fails to do so one by one; but before I would do so I would first need to read the studies in their totality, which would take a lot of time and ultimately be fruitless because you aren't even capable of reading what I write anyways.

 

[Dr JIM]

"Liver values" damn your absolutely clueless, lol!

 

[B Easy]

God you are really desperate at this point. I'm actually starting to feel kind of bad for you, because whatever facade you had created on this board that you were somehow a knowledgable, intelligent , articulate individual has been completely eroded by your pathetic emotional outbursts and your irrational thought processes.

...study yet?

 

[Dr JIM]

ASKED AND ANSWERED BUT YOUR CLUELESS!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

"Liver values" damn your absolutely clueless, lol!

I'm beginning to wonder if Mr Easy's irrational behavior is the result of mental illness and not just drug abuse. Methamphetamine alone could be responsible but I suspect there's more going on here than meets the eye. Perhaps the drug abuse exacerbated a pre-existing mental disorder that resulted in a psychotic break. Whatever the cause, he's a very troubled young man and his time on Meso will be short lived.

 

[Raider72]

Dang!! You dudes have a lot of time on your hands! Some serious time.

 

[Dr JIM]

Not really 24 hours a day as yourself mate

However if your suggesting I'm "wasting" essentially ALL of those hours debating the OPs question with this clown you'll get no disagreement from me, lol.

 

[B Easy]

Whatever the cause, he's a very troubled young man and his time on Meso will be short lived.

I can't be the only one to notice the irony of being threatened to get kicked off a forum by a guy whose name is "censored boards suck"? Haha no dude, I think you just suck. If I'm not able to argue with you at some point in the future, I can always resort to an activity that is a bit more intellectually stimulating, like say, playing checkers with dimentia patients at the local retirement home, or going to the zoo and watching monkeys play with their own feces.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your one sick dude, get some mental help!

 

[B Easy]

Took oral tren with NAC and my liver enzymes didn't even come close to elavating . Bilirubin was high, not sure what that means . Took winstrol without liver protection and liver was elevated .

Yea and drinking as little as 2-3 BEERS can have a similar impact on hepatic enzymes but we don't take NAC (a specific antidote for APAP toxicity) or Liv-52 (a specific antidote for impoverished supplement manufacturers) for that yet "recovery" is essentially guaranteed.

Ya, taking a cycle or oral tren and/or a cycle of oral winstrol is similar to drinking "2-3 beers"? Lmao No "doctor", I think you are the one who needs mental help, or maybe you can pick up some basic biology classes at your local community college in between posts

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I can't be the only one to notice the irony of being threatened to get kicked off a forum by a guy whose name is "censored boards suck"? Haha no dude, I think you just suck. If I'm not able to argue with you at some point in the future, I can always resort to an activity that is a bit more intellectually stimulating, like say, playing checkers with dimentia patients at the local retirement home, or going to the zoo and watching monkeys play with their own feces.

Don't flatter yourself, Skippy. I don't waste my time arguing with imbeciles. I was just having a little fun with you. If I've given you any reason to think I was actually taking you seriously... well, I guess it sucks to be you. You're just one of the scores of trolls that I've encountered online, and you're not a particularly good one. In a week or two, I'll have forgotten all about you.

Watching you melt down was entertaining for a little while, but now I'm bored with you. What can I say? I can only tolerate stupidity in short bursts. Maybe I'll see you in another thread, but I doubt you'll be here that long. You won't be missed.