Long Term Cycle?

[la_triathlete]

Long Term, Low Dose Cycling

Hey Guys,

I cant remember which thread I was reading yesterday about the long term use of EQ at low dosages (200-400mg/ week), but it got me wondering about long term cycles (6 months or more in my book would be a long term cycle).

Lets say someone wanted to have slow steady gains such that over a 6-8 month period, they would gain 10-12 lbs of high quality/ hard muscle that would not wither away post cycle. Also, I would assume that they would want little to no water retention, little to no organ stress (liver, kidney, etc.), and not too much shut down of their natural Test production (I know that all AAS will effect natural Test production to some degree).

Given what folks were saying on that EQ thread, I would imagine that EQ would be a good one to use (though there seems to be a long lag time before feeling its effects). I admit, however, that I am not always a fan of using just one type of AAS during a cycle. So I was thinking, if someone wanted to do a long term cycle that would give them slow, but stead, high quality muscle gains, what other gear would they use to fit the bill?

Personally, I was thinking that an EQ (300mg/ wk) and Primo (300mg/ wk) 6-8 month cycle would probably be a great combo. The other one I was thinking was an EQ (300mg/ wk) and Test Cyp (200mg/ 10 days). To either of these cycles (but definitely with the Test Cyp cycle), I would probably add a weekly injection of HCG (500IU/ wk) just to keep my natural system on line.

Would any one like to comment on my cycle ideas? More importantly, would/ could anyone add their two cents to the idea of doing long duration cycles of low dosages?

Thanks..

 

[la_triathlete]

The EQ thread I was refering to was the "How long does QV EQ take to kick in" the link to it is:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/16036

 

[Pup'nIrn]

The EQ thread I was refering to was the "How long does QV EQ take to kick in" the link to it is:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/16036

Hey Bro, I can tell you first hand this is the way to go. I used 200mg of EQ for the last 6months plus. Probably near the 8month mark. I found gains to be slow but steady and I made quality gains that were easier to explain to fellow co-workers and much better because I didn't have any down time. As far as low libido, I believe itmight vary from person to person but I showed no loss at all.

 

[la_triathlete]

Hey Bro, I can tell you first hand this is the way to go. I used 200mg of EQ for the last 6months plus. Probably near the 8month mark. I found gains to be slow but steady and I made quality gains that were easier to explain to fellow co-workers and much better because I didn't have any down time. As far as low libido, I believe itmight vary from person to person but I showed no loss at all.

Pup'nIrn,

You are exactly the type of person I want to know more about in regards to how you have progressed with your longer term cycle. If you don't mind, I have a bunch of questions that I am sure other guys will wnat to know:

1. Did you do just EQ, or did you stack with something else?

2. Can you help us imagine how your gains came on? In particular, how did doing a longer term cycle with slow steady gains effect you mentally? (I typically think that many guys get a good mental/ psychological high by seeing their fast gains when doing a typical cycle. These same guys, me included, feel a low when we can't see progress being made.)

3. How much muscle weight have you gained over your long EQ cycle?

I have been thinking that slow steady gains are also better if someone wants to really maintain what they have, as your body would have more time to adapt to its increasing size. This is just my own thought, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, as there might be no difference in length of time one maintains their gains from doing a slow/ steady/ long term cycle vs the faster gains with a more traditional 12 week cycle.

 

[la_triathlete]

I'm bumping this because I really want to know what peoples thoughts are on long term, low dose cycles.

 

[Fast Twitch]

I'm bumping this because I really want to know what peoples thoughts are on long term, low dose cycles.

hey bro ,
I've done many cycles in my life, and 6 months was the max (this is when I was using 2 hGH kits with AAS) but, i would not reccomend going much longer than that (6 months)

...just my thoughts

/FT

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Pup'nIrn,

You are exactly the type of person I want to know more about in regards to how you have progressed with your longer term cycle. If you don't mind, I have a bunch of questions that I am sure other guys will wnat to know:

1. Did you do just EQ, or did you stack with something else?

2. Can you help us imagine how your gains came on? In particular, how did doing a longer term cycle with slow steady gains effect you mentally? (I typically think that many guys get a good mental/ psychological high by seeing their fast gains when doing a typical cycle. These same guys, me included, feel a low when we can't see progress being made.)

3. How much muscle weight have you gained over your long EQ cycle?

I have been thinking that slow steady gains are also better if someone wants to really maintain what they have, as your body would have more time to adapt to its increasing size. This is just my own thought, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, as there might be no difference in length of time one maintains their gains from doing a slow/ steady/ long term cycle vs the faster gains with a more traditional 12 week cycle.

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To answer your question Triathlete,
1) 200mg EQ/wk...didn't want to push the envelope and chance major suppression of natural hormone levels.

2) The average natural person under the best circumstances will see 3-5lbs Lean Body MAss increase per year and a very gifted natural upto 10lbs. With this in consideration, unless your extremely gifted, if I see my LBM % go up 8lbs in 5-6 months with little if any supplements & only moderate lifting... I am happy.

***As far a mental status....why would you be happy with what you think are gains in a cycle when typically they are nothing but water gains. I find the mental rush from gaining in the gym on most highly androgenic cycles(test, D-bol, A-50) fun but not worth the loss at the end.....you always have to come down.

3) As far as your thoughts on your keeping gains, I also agree. You see I also believe you don't lose Lean Mass after a mild long term cycle if natural test production is boosted at the end (like all cycles) and you train intense but ** less frequent ** to keep the muscle. Its not like you had 15-20lbs of fluid you were trying to keep. What you gained was lean muscle tissue...it doesn't leave if its truly needed. This is why I chose EQ, it has an extremely slow let down. It stays in your system long after the least injection to help with the catabolic battle. This is also why I train less when I am off, its easy to go catablic. That why natural supplements play a great role. L-glut, Whey, Creatine etc.

 

[Derf]

I read the first thread also and it drew my intrest. Pup'nIrn...what kind of dosing schedule are you using for 200mg per week, are you going once per week or splitting it into two? I know you noted no noticable (Hey three words starting with 'no' in a row!) libido changes, any other sides to speak of? How long are youthinking of running the current cycle?

 

[Pup'nIrn]

I read the first thread also and it drew my intrest. Pup'nIrn...what kind of dosing schedule are you using for 200mg per week, are you going once per week or splitting it into two? I know you noted no noticable (Hey three words starting with 'no' in a row!) libido changes, any other sides to speak of? How long are youthinking of running the current cycle?

No sides but after the last 6 months of use, I have increased my cycle simply for a contest I am prep'n for. If I didn't have the contest, I would stay at the same level for at least a year or so. I inject once per week on the long cycle. No need to inject more...Eq is going to be there for awhile.

The really cool thing about it is that you get the benefits that most people love in the gym anyway. Better pumps, more vascularity and you can save you money on supplements, except protein. I get the 200mg EQ for around $75--Equibol. Excellent product, local guy though. So, the way I figure it, its a very cheap long term supplement, 10wks/bottle= $7.50 wk. Even if it were more, its still rather cheap vs most "new" supplements.

Oh and no sides.

 

[la_triathlete]

I can't imagine that Pup'nIrn is the only guy on Meso that has attempted long term, low dose cycles. Does anyone else have any experiences they can share.

As for me, given the mildness and safety of Primo, I could imagine running 200mg/ wk of EQ and 200-300mg Primo/ wk for a six month long cycle and not see much, if any, sides.

Has anyone on Meso tried running a long term, low dose (200-300mg/ wk) Primo cycle?

So, other than Primo and EQ, what other AAS would people say is safe enough to do a long term/ low dose cycle?