Looking to start 2x weekly injections of hgh (5-10iu) at night for recovery from gym and work.

[AlexDavis43]

Tbh I still don't think hGH dose timing matters much. Pre or post workout, fasted or fed, morning or evening or split dose, et cetera.

Whether you should be worried about dose timing for maximum fat loss rate or insulin resistance with any given dose? Minutiae.

 

[Benf15harp]

Tbh I still don't think hGH dose timing matters much. Pre or post workout, fasted or fed, morning or evening or split dose, et cetera.

Whether you should be worried about dose timing for maximum fat loss rate or insulin resistance with any given dose? Minutiae.

I agree but with the exception of timing for recovery which is post workout and sleeping as those are the two times your body releases the largest amount of hgh for recovery purposes. 50-70% is released at night and the other 3-6 pulses during the day are fairly insignificant but the largest of those would be after vigorous exercise. A split dose of 70% bedtime 30% post workout if taking daily is the most optimal.

 

[Slowww]

I agree but with the exception of timing for recovery which is post workout and sleeping as those are the two times your body releases the largest amount of hgh for recovery purposes. 50-70% is released at night and the other 3-6 pulses during the day are fairly insignificant but the largest of those would be after vigorous exercise. A split dose of 70% bedtime 30% post workout if taking daily is the most optimal.

Endogenous hormone production is impaired for 24 hours minimum after exogenous administration. Who cares when your body naturally produces it if you can control it yourself. Nothing you stated makes that optimal it just is your opinion.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I agree but with the exception of timing for recovery which is post workout and sleeping as those are the two times your body releases the largest amount of hgh for recovery purposes. 50-70% is released at night and the other 3-6 pulses during the day are fairly insignificant but the largest of those would be after vigorous exercise. A split dose of 70% bedtime 30% post workout if taking daily is the most optimal.

the mostest optimalest or just use 1 more IU/d so you can take it whenever you want

 

[Benf15harp]

Endogenous hormone production is impaired for 24 hours minimum after exogenous administration. Who cares when your body naturally produces it if you can control it yourself. Nothing you stated makes that optimal it just is your opinion.

Well, the body produces these hormones at certain times for very important reasons. For instance, the first 3 hours of sleep is the most critical for repair/recovery which also happens to be when your body produces its largest hgh pulse. Let’s say you pin HGH when you wake up(6am) there will be close to zero hgh in your system by 12am. You’re hindering your ability to recover properly. You should care when why and what your body produces.

 

[Slowww]

Well, the body produces these hormones at certain times for very important reasons. For instance, the first 3 hours of sleep is the most critical for repair/recovery which also happens to be when your body produces its largest hgh pulse. Let’s say you pin HGH when you wake up(6am) there will be close to zero hgh in your system by 12am. You’re hindering your ability to recover properly. You should care when why and what your body produces.

Is biological half life is the only determining factor of whether or not hgh is affecting your body?

 

[Benf15harp]

Is biological half life is the only determining factor of whether or not hgh is affecting your body?

The OP is talking about recovery.

 

[UncleBuns]

“GH stimulates lipolysis and causes insulin resistance within 1–2 h” But, you said 30mins was peak insulin resistance. Hmm.
Sometimes I wonder if most of you have nothing better to do. Carry on.

At least you tried. "E" for effort little buddy.

 

[Benf15harp]

At least you tried. "E" for effort little buddy.

amusing.

 

[iris]

This recap of a Type-IIx article is good, so I am reposting it here

This is the "explain like I'm 5" (ELI5) version:

1. Eat your meal 1-2 hours before, or within 1 hour after pinning your full HGH dose for the day.

2. Workout 2-3 hours after the HGH pin.

3. Eat post workout meal within an hour, maybe 90 mins after you finish your workout. Together this should cause your post workout meal to be approximately 4 hours after your HGH pin.

Facts:
HGH causes insulin to not work so well. This causes your blood sugar to go up. This happens about an hour or two after taking HGH and lasts 5-8 hours depending on your dosage (possibly longer?).

HGH also causes your body to take fat from your fat reserves and free it up, letting it float around in your blood. This means if you exercise at that time, your body can use that fat, burn it, and thus you are preferentially burning MORE FAT than normal because of the HGH.

Lastly, exercise significantly increases insulin sensitivity and allows the nutrients you eat to be transported directly into your MUSCLES rather than floating around your blood to layer be stored as fat!

So, timing your HGH dose around your meal schedule as outlined above helps in many ways:
1. It minimizes/eliminates food intake when your body is insulin insensitive.
2. This prevents you from having such high blood sugar spikes.
3. You exercise when your body has peak HGH levels. This prevents muscle breakdown and burns the most fat.
4. Then you eat after exercising, which mitigates the insulin insensitivity, again preventing high blood sugar spikes and enabling those yummy nutrients to go into your muscles so you can keep the fat that you just burned OFF!

Hopefully this helps some of the folks who aren't as good at translating science-speak to layperson speak

@Type-IIx feel free to copy and use this if you ever want and edit or make changes if desired.

 

[iris]

I understand OP is thinking more about the recovery potential than the fatloss that is mentioned in my repost.
But it all goes hand in hand, so most people don't look at it that way.

In any case, there is also this, so I can plug Type-IIx ' s new book:

EOD dosing is certainly something I see as viable and is discussed in the book with various permutations based on limited availability/dosage.

 

[iris]

Optimal HGH protocol - Timing from a health perspective

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[Benf15harp]

MFAAS said:
This is the "explain like I'm 5" (ELI5) version:

1. Eat your meal 1-2 hours before, or {within 1 hour after pinning your full HGH dose for the day.}

But @UncleBuns said your at peak insulin resistance at 30mins post pin. Hmmm.

 

[Slowww]

MFAAS said:
This is the "explain like I'm 5" (ELI5) version:

1. Eat your meal 1-2 hours before, or {within 1 hour after pinning your full HGH dose for the day.}

But @UncleBuns said your at peak insulin resistance at 30mins post pin. Hmmm.

Mate, how are you this dense? that’s why they said to do exercise to reduce it… it’s a bit much going to be hyper fixated on optimizing a pin but then only looking at one or two variables when they suit your argument and ignoring any other key elements.

Idk how this discussion went to protocols for legitimate body builders when this is a chef who wants to abuse hgh for no real reason lmfao and then there’s still an argument about oof much blood sugars

 

[iris]

Mate, how are you this dense? that’s why they said to do exercise to reduce it… it’s a bit much going to be hyper fixated on optimizing a pin but then only looking at one or two variables when they suit your argument and ignoring any other key elements.

Idk how this discussion went to protocols for legitimate body builders when this is a chef who wants to abuse hgh for no real reason lmfao and then there’s still an argument about oof much blood sugars

Exactly.
I just reposted that and the thread it came from so OP could have a look and make sense of what you guys were saying, because I think he didn't quite get where you were coming from.
And that's regardless of what he said his main aim was, so he could put that in context.

As for the response of the above individual (aside from the usual condescension and nonsense), you nailed it:

only looking at one or two variables when they suit your argument and ignoring any other key elements.

Always.

 

[Benf15harp]

Mate, how are you this dense? that’s why they said to do exercise to reduce it… it’s a bit much going to be hyper fixated on optimizing a pin but then only looking at one or two variables when they suit your argument and ignoring any other key elements.

Idk how this discussion went to protocols for legitimate body builders when this is a chef who wants to abuse hgh for no real reason lmfao and then there’s still an argument about oof much blood sugar

I think you have me confused. Must be the cheap ink.

 

[Benf15harp]

Exactly.
I just reposted that and the thread it came from so OP could have a look and make sense of what you guys were saying, because I think he didn't quite get where you were coming from.
And that's regardless of what he said his main aim was, so he could put that in context.

As for the response of the above individual (aside from the usual condescension and nonsense), you nailed it:


Always.

tag team effort

 

[songsofpyramids]

Minutiae

By and large I agree. But I do think everyone will have their own personal “best feels” protocol for hgh. I find split dosing and keeping my gh serum high all day seems to feel better than only night time dosing personally. Think people should explore around to find what works for them individually.

But @UncleBuns said your at peak insulin resistance at 30mins post pin. Hmmm.

He didn’t say that, you’re just a moron with poor reading comprehension…

 

[UncleBuns]

MFAAS said:
This is the "explain like I'm 5" (ELI5) version:

1. Eat your meal 1-2 hours before, or {within 1 hour after pinning your full HGH dose for the day.}

But @UncleBuns said your at peak insulin resistance at 30mins post pin. Hmmm.

The snippets you are quoting and what you were recommending are not the same thing. You're exhausting and not worth responding to anymore. I think the huge doses of BPC you take have rendered you retarded.

Enjoy your horrible protocols and Lord have mercy on any gullible people who follow your advice.

 

[UncleBuns]

Tbh I still don't think hGH dose timing matters much. Pre or post workout, fasted or fed, morning or evening or split dose, et cetera.

Whether you should be worried about dose timing for maximum fat loss rate or insulin resistance with any given dose? Minutiae.

What I am concerned with is insulin resistance. Looking at my family history I likely don't have great genetics in that arena. Maybe I'm overly cautious but when I'm taking GH I take all the precautions related to blood sugar. YMMV