Loose skin protocol — GHKCU?

[RockyP]

Androgens, GH, quality skin firming lotion applied 2-3x daily. After that it’s a crap shoot. I’ve seen lots of guys competing in masters shows who are peeled inside out but still have a little loose skin in the lower middle abs likely from losing a lot of weight later in life. Skin elasticity is genetically determined like most things.

Not sure if masteron would be something to avoid in this respect. Some users report drying of the skin / looking like an alligator bag etc. The opposite of what we’d want to firm skin that’s lost some elasticity.

One option, and I’m not suggesting this but it’s there, is to run your compounds to obtain some level of water retention. I’m sure you’ve seen the guys who have defined abs over a slightly bloated belly. I’m not taking about a huge gut. Just not a vacuumed men’s physique type waist. Anything that makes that skin more taught is going to involve some subcutaneous fluid retention

Just to piggy-back off my own post here - I've been running mast with test / tren for the past several weeks and along with the rest of my regimen / diet / training, etc. I am noticing an up-tick in skin firming in the mid section. I also apply a firming lotion, no clue if it's any good, at least 3 times per day. I had previously said that Mast might be no-go here but not seeing any negative effects. That said, there are so many moving parts influencing the level of fluid in our skin not the least of which are hormonal balances, electrolytes, even the weather (extreme cold, etc.).

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Maybe your midsection is just more filled out also? Only way to tell is progress photos for yourself

 

[ni3k]

spent a long time as a fatty, lost it at 40yo. at 43, the skin still bothered me so threw a lot of money on an op in July, but much happier with how i look now tbh, recovery was pretty brutal but was worth it for me

 

[Nardicus69]

I have been using .1% once a day, indian pharm, it also seems to help with stretch marks a bit.

Send link ? I got scammed trying to Purchase Taz and tret on India mart

 

[lipzz17]

What you guys think in using GHK after a tummy tuck? For better and faster skin healing

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Just to piggy-back off my own post here - I've been running mast with test / tren for the past several weeks and along with the rest of my regimen / diet / training, etc. I am noticing an up-tick in skin firming in the mid section. I also apply a firming lotion, no clue if it's any good, at least 3 times per day. I had previously said that Mast might be no-go here but not seeing any negative effects. That said, there are so many moving parts influencing the level of fluid in our skin not the least of which are hormonal balances, electrolytes, even the weather (extreme cold, etc.).

Sadly I doubt any of those chemicals actually tighten skin. What you might be observing is your skin shifting into new position and muscle filling in if you are working out. The process takes about a year after you reach your target weight, from what I understand, which is why they say to not do any sort of surgery for at least a year to see how it looks first.

The only thing I have found to actually tighten skin is RF treatment. Women know a lot about this already because they use it on their face to remove wrinkles. We guys are less informed because we usually dont care. What this does is disrupt the collagen at the binding level forcing the body to create new collagen and reform. When it does, it smooths out wrinkles and tightens the skin. Its subtle, so dont expect that to replace a tummy tuck but it works if pictures are to be believed. There is also higher frequency treatments for melting fat but I dont think that helps the skin per se and I think its better to just lose that the normal way. If you just have a little loose skin and wrinkles, RF is the way to go. If you have actual folds, then its really just surgery.

From what I can tell the only difference between medical RF treatment and the home devices are power. Medical ones are very powerful and you do that only once and wait 6 months for results. Take home cheap ones are used daily and seem to be annoying for that reason but they apparently work after long term use. There are middle ground devices that you find in spas and such which work sort of in between. Im still researching this stuff.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

spent a long time as a fatty, lost it at 40yo. at 43, the skin still bothered me so threw a lot of money on an op in July, but much happier with how i look now tbh, recovery was pretty brutal but was worth it for me
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Just curious, did you try RF treatment before surgery?

 

[RockyP]

Sadly I doubt any of those chemicals actually tighten skin. What you might be observing is your skin shifting into new position and muscle filling in if you are working out. The process takes about a year after you reach your target weight, from what I understand, which is why they say to not do any sort of surgery for at least a year to see how it looks first.

The only thing I have found to actually tighten skin is RF treatment. Women know a lot about this already because they use it on their face to remove wrinkles. We guys are less informed because we usually dont care. What this does is disrupt the collagen at the binding level forcing the body to create new collagen and reform. When it does, it smooths out wrinkles and tightens the skin. Its subtle, so dont expect that to replace a tummy tuck but it works if pictures are to be believed. There is also higher frequency treatments for melting fat but I dont think that helps the skin per se and I think its better to just lose that the normal way. If you just have a little loose skin and wrinkles, RF is the way to go. If you have actual folds, then its really just surgery.

From what I can tell the only difference between medical RF treatment and the home devices are power. Medical ones are very powerful and you do that only once and wait 6 months for results. Take home cheap ones are used daily and seem to be annoying for that reason but they apparently work after long term use. There are middle ground devices that you find in spas and such which work sort of in between. Im still researching this stuff.

Appreciate your input but my Experience has been different. Androgens and HGH have worked for me. Could be due to genetics in terms of residual elasticity. I agree it doesn’t work for everyone. If it did the masters shows wouldn’t be full of guys with saggy lower ab pooches.

 

[Swedishsteel]

spent a long time as a fatty, lost it at 40yo. at 43, the skin still bothered me so threw a lot of money on an op in July, but much happier with how i look now tbh, recovery was pretty brutal but was worth it for me
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Dont do my mistake and use a regular scar tape. Use silicone

 

[Swedishsteel]

Is anyone with estrogen issues getting estrogen sides? without being on a AI

As copper is extremely estrogenic. Females that got copper IUD develop PCOS after a few year (estrogen dominance). Yet we need a low dose in order to produce oxygen and collagen. 2mg copper per day gives me estro sides in a few days

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Appreciate your input but my Experience has been different. Androgens and HGH have worked for me. Could be due to genetics in terms of residual elasticity. I agree it doesn’t work for everyone. If it did the masters shows wouldn’t be full of guys with saggy lower ab pooches.

You sure? HGH does reduce visceral fat but has no impact on skin or collagen. Androgens also have no impact on collagen but do grow muscle so stretch the skin. I have a similar result.

If you look at me standing you would think I have good skin. No folds or wrinkles in abs. But if I actually pinch the skin, there is loose skin. You can also sort of see it if I plank. I am about 1 year out from when I met my target weight and it did actually improve on its own over that time which is exactly what everyone said. But the same people also said nothing actually tightened the skin except growing muscle, which stretched it.

Think of it another way. If roids and HGH actually impacted skin do you really think women wouldnt know by now? Come on man. The women skin care business is bigger than everything body building and weight lifting combined. Its probably a trillion dollar segment. Have you seen what they do? Botox, red light, more creams than I can count, masks, needles, RF, etc. You really think they wouldnt have figured out that a steroid will fix it? Or HGH? They would be injecting it by the bucket load and doctors would be all over it.

 

[RockyP]

You sure? HGH does reduce visceral fat but has no impact on skin or collagen. Androgens also have no impact on collagen but do grow muscle so stretch the skin. I have a similar result.

If you look at me standing you would think I have good skin. No folds or wrinkles in abs. But if I actually pinch the skin, there is loose skin. You can also sort of see it if I plank. I am about 1 year out from when I met my target weight and it did actually improve on its own over that time which is exactly what everyone said. But the same people also said nothing actually tightened the skin except growing muscle, which stretched it.

Think of it another way. If roids and HGH actually impacted skin do you really think women wouldnt know by now? Come on man. The women skin care business is bigger than everything body building and weight lifting combined. It’s probably a trillion dollar segment. Have you seen what they do? Botox, red light, more creams than I can count, masks, needles, RF, etc. You really think they wouldnt have figured out that a steroid will fix it? Or HGH? They would be injecting it by the bucket load and doctors would be all over it.

Androgens have no impact on collagen production? You REALLY need to brush up on your reading brother. Not trying to be a dick but you make these long posts that sound convincing but you’re talking out of your ass. Search “androgen collagen production” and get back to us. I’m sorry it didn’t work for you but it’s not helpful to the community to come on here with information that is patently false.

If you really want to get in the weeds on this (which I think is a waste of time given your inane comments), no, androgens aren’t going to tighten up crows feet or other facial wrinkles but there are a host of other variables that make skin in your face beave differently. Exposure to sun / various levels of humidity / etc for decades is one. And we’ve all seen that androgens in excess can “age” peoples faces. And there’s of course a limit to all of this and what we know to be true from countless studies (which you clearly have not read) about androgens stimulating collagen production is not going to translate into a panacea for everyone with loose / wrinkled skin.

As I said in my post, genetics play a huge factor here. I offered my experience because it worked for me and it’s based on actual data (androgens and collagen production).

And by the way, HGH also boosts collagen and elastin production. So I’m not sure if you’re pushing some sort of skin care line but you really really need to get your facts straight.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Androgens have no impact on collagen production? You REALLY need to brush up on your reading brother. Not trying to be a dick but you make these long posts that sound convincing but you’re talking out of your ass. Search “androgen collagen production” and get back to us. I’m sorry it didn’t work for you but it’s not helpful to the community to come on here with information that is patently false.

If you really want to get in the weeds on this (which I think is a waste of time given your inane comments), no, androgens aren’t going to tighten up crows feet or other facial wrinkles but there are a host of other variables that make skin in your face beave differently. Exposure to sun / various levels of humidity / etc for decades is one. And we’ve all seen that androgens in excess can “age” peoples faces. And there’s of course a limit to all of this and what we know to be true from countless studies (which you clearly have not read) about androgens stimulating collagen production is not going to translate into a panacea for everyone with loose / wrinkled skin.

As I said in my post, genetics play a huge factor here. I offered my experience because it worked for me and it’s based on actual data (androgens and collagen production).

And by the way, HGH also boosts collagen and elastin production. So I’m not sure if you’re pushing some sort of skin care line but you really really need to get your facts straight.

You are correct. I will change the wording that yes HGH has impact. Just looked that up. Roids less so from what I understand. But it also seems that neither will do much of anything if your collagen is set and thats the sticky wicket. You have to disrupt the collagen layers. This I do know, because ive been reading about it for a few days and its explained a few times by dermatologists.

For collagen production to actually impact your skin tightness and wrinkles, you need to disrupt the formed layers to force them to reset position. This is why these treatments smooth out the skin. Otherwise where will the collagen bind? To the lower layers of the skin? I assume this just makes your skin thicker but wont smooth out the surface nor give the skin any reason to retract. This might explain why roids seem to age folks in the face and such. Not sure but plenty of dermos talk about this stuff and have presentations on youtube and on their websites with visuals to see whats going on.

From what I undestand, the collagen layer is a lot like jello. Once set it stays set unless you change the surface area to stretch of shrink it. Otherwise the only way to reset it is heat. Thats what these RF devices do. They are "melting" the collagen so that it can move again. RF is used because you dont want to damage other tissue. It seems this is the right frequency for this application. If you go ultrasound then you disrupt fat. And so on.

 

[nawot]

After liposuction you have to wear compression garments during healing to get better results. Would wearing compression garments during fat loss maybe help with the loose skin, especially when combined with other treatments like HGH, GHKCU, RF, etc, that boost collagen production?

I also used to be fat and am currently at a stage where I am about to loose that last abdominal fat. Seeing those pictures I am a bit worried that I'll have similar issues. The last two years working out I used peptides only, loosing a lot of fat and gaining lean mass through recomposition. When I noticed that progress is stagnating I started dieting using reta and trt testo to preserve muscles.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

After liposuction you have to wear compression garments during healing to get better results. Would wearing compression garments during fat loss maybe help with the loose skin, especially when combined with other treatments like HGH, GHKCU, RF, etc, that boost collagen production?

I also used to be fat and am currently at a stage where I am about to loose that last abdominal fat. Seeing those pictures I am a bit worried that I'll have similar issues. The last two years working out I used peptides only, loosing a lot of fat and gaining lean mass through recomposition. When I noticed that progress is stagnating I started dieting using reta and trt testo to preserve muscles.

The compression is to make sure things settle where they are supposed to. It wont tighten skin on its own, though I assume, areas that were lipo'ed probably got their collagen blasted to some extent and there will be some production and re-layering going on there. But the point is, to tighten skin you need to disrupt the collagen layer so that it reforms. I seriously doubt anything else will work aside from increasing surface area to stretch skin (aka grow muscles).

For lipo, what many doctors do is offer another service specifically for skin. I forget the one I was reading about recently... regenron? renuveon? Something like that. Basically same day as lipo, they do the collagen disruption with a powerful RF treatment and they inject something... helium was it and it breaks up the collagen layer forcing it to reform. This then tightens and helps remove wrinkles by smoothing out surface.

 

[Ateam2023]

The compression is to make sure things settle where they are supposed to. It wont tighten skin on its own, though I assume, areas that were lipo'ed probably got their collagen blasted to some extent and there will be some production and re-layering going on there. But the point is, to tighten skin you need to disrupt the collagen layer so that it reforms. I seriously doubt anything else will work aside from increasing surface area to stretch skin (aka grow muscles).

For lipo, what many doctors do is offer another service specifically for skin. I forget the one I was reading about recently... regenron? renuveon? Something like that. Basically same day as lipo, they do the collagen disruption with a powerful RF treatment and they inject something... helium was it and it breaks up the collagen layer forcing it to reform. This then tightens and helps remove wrinkles by smoothing out surface.

At a staggering fee i bet, the thing is with these doctors they take full advantage of the situation, "oh you need this treatment for this to be fully effective" , that'll be $5k more , thank you ...

 

[thejumpingsheep]

At a staggering fee i bet, the thing is with these doctors they take full advantage of the situation, "oh you need this treatment for this to be fully effective" , that'll be $5k more , thank you ...

Oh im sure. But the good news is you can do it yourself. This is what ive been researching the last week or so. You can actually buy fairly powerful RF cavitation devices that do something very similar. Obviously not as powerful or complex as the ones the doctors have, but the end result is similar albeit you have to do more application.

Some things Ive learned, the doc devices typically pull well over 100W while home devices tend to be under 20W. Salon devices sit in between and can go up to 85W.

The difference between them seems fairly direct. Home devices you have to be used almost every day for like 10-15 minutes per target region. Salon devices are used once every 5 days or so and they usually recommend 10 sessions. The doc one is one session then wait 6 months but at a substantial cost.

Now here is the funny part. The salon devices are not particularly more expensive than home devices. You can get a 65W RF cavitation device for like $200. Of course they range all the way up to $5k if you want a bunch of other features. But here is the problem... these devices, are rather powerful and people can fuck up regimen (read the damn instructions) or worse, their faces, using it. This is why salon folks have to be certified as a minimum requirement to operate them.

But then again... look at we do around here. Someone has a new super steroid? Sweet, please shoot it into my arm (lol).

I dont think these devices are nearly as dangerous as what we do here. The key is know what frequency you are using, know where it can be used. For example, never use ultrasound on face. Melting fat on face is NOT reversible. It wont kill you but you dont want to fuck up face fats. But you can use it in other places. RF can be used nearly anywhere since it targets collagen. This is the one women use to reduce wrinkles on their face.

 

[BendigoShafter]

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I tend to initially view things like this as snake oil until convinced otherwise. I hope to be convinced otherwise. I'm gonna need some tightening up soon.

 

[adrenalytic]

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I tend to initially view things like this as snake oil until convinced otherwise. I hope to be convinced otherwise. I'm gonna need some tightening up soon.

He hasn't revealed the brand he's endorsing yet. Stay tuned.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

He hasn't revealed the brand he's endorsing yet. Stay tuned.

LoL you guys are funny.

I think someone had a link to the site that sells salon power devices earlier in this thread. Ill try to find it, one sec... here it is: mychway.shop. They dont have one brand per se. They seem to offer a bunch of different ones. I found a few other sites that sell similar if not the same machines, rebranded, thanks to Gemini. All of these seem to be Chinese devices like ones seen on Aliexpress. Problem right now is tariffs make them more expensive to get from aliexpress so might actually be cheaper to buy them domestic from some of these sites.

Brand wont help you much. Salon devices are rather obscure unlike home devices. You will just need to dig into the specs to see what they deliver and hope there are reviews to back up the device. This is the real problem... not a lot of reviews since these devices are not widely used by norms. But then again, some are cheap enough that they might be worth a shot. I actually bought a cheap one just to see what its all about. Still waiting for it.

Ill test it out and report in but I have very little loose skin around abs and im not sure how helpful I will be to folks that have a lot.