low dose cycle PCT?

[drhustle]

Hey guys,

I'm planning on running Test Cyp 50mg x twice a week = 100mg/week. I'm going to give it 16 weeks to see how it works, at such a low dose, what should my PCT protocol be?

Thanks

 

[lukiss96]

Same, low dose still does shut you down.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Why would you even bother with this?

I don’t recommend you shut yourself down for 100 mg a week. Thats lower than most guys use for true TRT.

What’s the purpose? What’s your goal?

I’d recommend if you PCT you may as well run 300+ a week. Depending on your current levels you may end up lower on 100 mg a week than when you were natty…

 

[drhustle]

I’m trying to take the lowest dose possible to get up to 1000-1200 pmol. I guess I forgot to consider my natural production will still be shut down.

I’ve also read we’re producing much less than 100mg/wk naturally, so made sense in my head this would still be above natural amounts.

Would you recommend 200 or 300 mg/wk instead?

 

[lina7788]

You are using the recommended min dose.
If you have no immediate goals that you must meet, you can stick to your own dose,maybe it match you well.
If you need change, you have to increase the dose.

 

[lukiss96]

I did not get in to the whole if it's worth it or not, but more like I answered your hypothetical question about whether low dose has different effect on suppressing your natural endogenous testosterone production. Studies have shown that 100mg testosterone are no less effective at shutting you down than say 300mg.

Since you're now asking if 100mg is worth it as a cycle or blast, I'd say of course not, unless you're hypogonadal male only then you would benefit from 100mg greatly, but in this case you would be looking for trt (whether self medicated or under doctor supervision).

 

[drhustle]

I did not get in to the whole if it's worth it or not, but more like I answered your hypothetical question about whether low dose has different effect on suppressing your natural endogenous testosterone production. Studies have shown that 100mg testosterone are no less effective at shutting you down than say 300mg.

Since you're now asking if 100mg is worth it as a cycle or blast, I'd say of course not, unless you're hypogonadal male only then you would benefit from 100mg greatly, but in this case you would be looking for trt (whether self medicated or under doctor supervision).

makes sense, thanks for the insight. What would you recommend as the minimum mg/week?

 

[lukiss96]

makes sense, thanks for the insight. What would you recommend as the minimum mg/week?

250-300mg preferably propionate as I believe shortest time on and fastest recovery is the best approach for a newbie, you don't wanna be sitting for 3-4 weeks and wait to start pct. Wasted time = harder recovery. Alternatively you could do longer ester, say TC or TE for the 6-8 weeks and then for the last couple weeks of cycle switch out to propionate, so by the time you're done enathate or cypionate would already be almost out.

However, if I could turn back time this is how I would approach it:
1. T propionate 350mg/week
2. Anavar, winstrol or tbol 350mg/week

Nice clean cycle, less water and unnecessary bloat, nice quality clean gains. Not only these orals would provide good results on their own, but they would amplify testosterone's effect, by freeing up more testosterone by reducing shbg and in case with dht's would also help mitigate estrogenic side effects one might experience.

EDIT:
Forgot to answer lowest your lowest mg part...
250-300mg/week TC/TE
75mg (each other day/every second day) TP

 

[Jin23]

makes sense, thanks for the insight. What would you recommend as the minimum mg/week?

Test prop should be dosed ed not eod. It's a 24h half life ester. Just use enathate or cypionate, it's more simple.

Don't go off mg's, go off ng/dl on your total testosterone blood work. Try to get around 2500 ng/dl. What ever amount of test gets you there. If you've never done gear and thus also never done blood's, then this is a must anyway. So, pin 250mg a week, go do bloods after 3 weeks, 24h after the last pin, and check your levels. Do not add any other compounds to the mix, you want to know how you feel just on test and you want to see your bloods, just on test.

 

[drhustle]

Awesome, thanks for the info guys! Just got my gear, going to start with 250mg and see where that goes after doing bloods in a few weeks like Jin recommended.

 

[Megadick3000]

I’m trying to take the lowest dose possible to get up to 1000-1200 pmol. I guess I forgot to consider my natural production will still be shut down.

I’ve also read we’re producing much less than 100mg/wk naturally, so made sense in my head this would still be above natural amounts.

Would you recommend 200 or 300 mg/wk instead?

Food for thought for you: i got up to 1800 total test (double top end of normal reference ranges used by my lab) just by taking a SERM (clomid @ 50mg/ed) whilst NOT on a cycle (not taken for PCT).

I just used it as a T boosting supplement if you will. Then pulled bloods and that was my result, plus LH and FSH levels 50% above top end of reference range.

So i mean, why shut yourself down for 1000 total test when you could just take a SERM and get higher total test with no shutdown at all?

 

[Jin23]

Food for thought for you: i got up to 1800 total test (double top end of normal reference ranges used by my lab) just by taking a SERM (clomid @ 50mg/ed) whilst NOT on a cycle (not taken for PCT).

I just used it as a T boosting supplement if you will. Then pulled bloods and that was my result, plus LH and FSH levels 50% above top end of reference range.

So i mean, why shut yourself down for 1000 total test when you could just take a SERM and get higher total test with no shutdown at all?

That's a very favorable reaction to clomid. Most wont react like that. It's very much pointless to recommend something like that, for somebody wanting to get to 2500 ngdl ...

 

[hallomonde]

100mg is only worth if you plan to run it for over a year or something close to that, even so it might be worth bumping to 150, if you want to cycle run something between 250-500.