low dose tren ace experiment

[hellerhiwater]

Looking forward to dropping the tren but also greedy (or drug addled) and figuring why not just finish this bottle and see- I spent all this time jabbing to get titrated up and saturated. Have I answered all my questions about how I tolerate the compound? Have I discovered if there are tangible benefits?

Took a fresh 3ml barrel and drew up what’s left in my 2000mg bottle of tren ace to measure it- 10ml @ 200mg/ml. Just over 3ml left. So if I go to 60mg/day I have 10 days left to see if anything else good or bad happens- that’s 420mg/week which is way way way (way) over any kind of dose I thought I might tolerate.

A good while at 50mg/day has settled into less sides so far rather than building into more, and as chemical saturation has shifted to physical effects and adaptation I have felt nothing but mellow and content. The whole “daily changes in the mirror” thing has kinda started to happen though without any prodigious strength gains. Probably because although I raised calories a touch and started frontloading carbs before training I’m still in a defecit.

So it’s a sprint to the finish line. No idea if unseen demons are nipping at my heels or if I won (lost?!) the tren tolerance lottery?

In any case, this experiment had been super stupid and ill advised, but also super fun and intetesting. It’s certainly looking like if I wanted to run 350A/week again in the future, or play with milder tren E doses in a stack I could be good to go, other than anecdotal evidence that some folks have sides come in unexpectedly after years of successful abuse.

do you have any plans to get bloodwork done?

 

[Mfras]

do you have any plans to get bloodwork done?

Absolutely. I’m not sure how long I should wait- maybe a full panel 2 weeks after discontinuing? Longer? I want to let the compound fully leave first, not sure when the most informative panel would need to be taken.

I also need to get a z-score to assess my gh abuse at 6.6iu/day- another side effect free titration that went up above ‘probably fine’ and into ‘you should really check on that’. It’s been a few months on that one. Not super worried because things will probably be spicier IGF wise when a little more food goes back in.

I am also interested in getting a dexa scan but know that tren introduces intracellular water that will read as false positive for lean mass. For $100 it might be an interesting metric, even if it’s not super useful in terms of a truthful report card there will be a lot of information there. A more accurate ‘report card’ dexa would probably be more like 6 weeks out when the water and inflammation has cleared and my cruise & training has retained & solidified any gains and losses.

Edit: thinking 4-6 weeks after disco. Sooner than that will just be predictably a shitshow and I’m interested in damage that’s not transient.

 

[Thecarrier]

Don't do tren you old fat retard.

Just kidding.

Its been my observation, based upon reading here and other sources, that the younger you are, possibly the more likely you are to have bigger negative side effects on tren. But that could be total junk.

I did a tren cycle (37 year old) and had virtually no negative side effects at ranges from 150 to 300 per week.

Never tried more than that.

I bet you're gonna be fine, as long ad you keep an eye on it. You seem like an even keeled guy. Good you told your wife, I did the same.

Be interesting to pump those numbers up a bit, see if you get more oomph without the sides.

Lol

 

[Mfras]

Welp I called it- today was my last day. Don’t think anything else good or bad was gonna happen and anxious to finish my cut & stop fucking around. Back with bloods in 4- 6 weeks or so!

 

[Stinkyq]

Welp I called it- today was my last day. Don’t think anything else good or bad was gonna happen and anxious to finish my cut & stop fucking around. Back with bloods in 4- 6 weeks or so!

I want to know about your hdl markers. That's what really scares me. Ive got some Pitavastatin and ezimibe on the way(cant find any vascepa). 42yrs old 225lbs. Going to keep TA under 100mg a week. In my 20s I did much more, but death scares the hell out of me now. This was/ is a great read. Im thankful for it! Keep us in the loop ole brave one.

 

[Mfras]

I want to know about your hdl markers. That's what really scares me. Ive got some Pitavastatin and ezimibe on the way(cant find any vascepa). 42yrs old 225lbs. Going to keep TA under 100mg a week. In my 20s I did much more, but death scares the hell out of me now. This was/ is a great read. Im thankful for it! Keep us in the loop ole brave one.

Hdl was one point out of range at 39 before the tren came in, and LDL high but in range at 94, but that’s with my high cruise cutting stack well established which includes a generously measured 150mg/week of mast. Don’t know if the 80 deca is helping either.

Of course I have no idea if I nuked my lipids in 6 weeks but I’m glad my log is helpful and I’ll post blood results for sure.

 

[Mfras]

Got a dexa scan. Last one was near halloween, so all progress wasn’t the tren there’s also a month of my mild recomp stack in there. But thru Nov & Dec I went down 3% body fat down to 17% and gained 3lbs fat free mass, up to 213.

Total body weight still 260 which is a little crazy to see good recomp results since I was 253 at the end of Nov.

 

[adrenalytic]

Absolutely. I’m not sure how long I should wait- maybe a full panel 2 weeks after discontinuing? Longer? I want to let the compound fully leave first, not sure when the most informative panel would need to be taken.

No no no, you want blood work while you're at peak serum levels so you can see the damage done. You want to check again after being off a while to verify your markers returned to normal, certainly, but having those peak values will tell you how well (or badly) you handled the drug.

 

[Mfras]

No no no, you want blood work while you're at peak serum levels so you can see the damage done. You want to check again after being off a while to verify your markers returned to normal, certainly, but having those peak values will tell you how well (or badly) you handled the drug.

I do understand what you’re saying but it’s not a 20 week deca cycle and I can’t see being on trenA for more than 6-8 weeks (only did like 6) or trenE for 8-10 max, and personally would tend to land on the shorter side of those cycles when diminishing returns and fatigue/inflammation begin to compete with gains. So mid cycle bloods in the absence of problems to fix seem superfluous.

I’d think that on cycle the bloodwork would just be fucked- a chaotic mess? If markers stayed out of range a month later wouldn’t that be more valuable information for future use rather than knowing tren is poison? Which we definitely already know!

If hematocrit was above 54 or ast/alt was bananas or lipids were single & triple digits I would be alarmed but I’m not expecting anything that crazy, especially considering that the first couple weeks were ramping up from a baby dose and the meat of the cycle was only around 3-400mg/week for like 4 weeks.

Not only was my exposure limited, but a big part of what I learned was that if I crack a bottle of tren again it won’t be at significantly greater exposure.

Also this run was in the interest of experience not gains. The biggest thing I learned was that tren for me was kind of boring, slightly painful and annoying pinning Ace, and most useful for being show ready immediately after (or during) a harsh peeling cut. These are not really situations that line up well with my physique goals. It was fun though!

 

[Mfras]

Another note- sleep was never terrible on cycle but seems to be slightly better already. But last night- after the second day of no pin- was by far the sweatiest I’ve been. Woke up to pee around 1:00 which is normal because I drink 1/2-3/4 gallon before bed. Armpits still wet today like summer which has been normal for a few weeks but hasn’t subsided yet.

Lifting was normal yesterday- usually take 2 rest days/week but didn’t rest last week I think I’m gonna take today off and maybe tomorrow but probably not- forearm side of the elbows getting spicy is usually my warning sign to chill out on hammer curls and grip squeezer training. Tomorrow’s leg day though.

 

[Mfras]

Scale dropped from 261 down to 254.4 today. The glycogen and inflammation water from the tren is finally leaving.

 

[bananafeet]

Deca doesn't effect lipids usually. DHTs and tren does

 

[Mfras]

Deca doesn't effect lipids usually. DHTs and tren does

Yup I’m on 150mg mast/week.