Lowest effective dose of trenbolone?

[Handy-jezza]

What is generally considered the lowest effective dose of trenbolone?

Is there a sweet spot for the amount of testosterone used in conjunction?

Would 50-100mg per week be more likely to bring about some of the benefits and little to no sides?

Does sleep become effected by dose or duration?

Is masteron needed if the dose of trenbolone low enough to minimally impact other aspects like libido/mood, prolactin and progesterone?

Are other meds likely to be needed while running it?
For example: caber, sleep meds and gh?

Best approach to get the most from the least if used for the first time?


Any input is appreciated!

 

[krvuxn]

I get effects from as low as 100mg per week but I unfortunately still turn into a psycho.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

All this is person specific. Can't really supply a formula for your personal response to anything.

 

[Type-IIx]

It's probably less than 100 mg weekly in my opinion. I've written about this topic here:

Post in thread 'Are we using too much trenbolone?'

Aug 27, 2023

Certainly, we can say that the 350 mg trenbolone acetate "beginner" dose is extremely high.

Human equivalent dosing from a Synovex implant that delivers 200 mg trenbolone acetate + 20 mg estradiol & has a duration of activity between 80 - 90 days equates to ≈ 0.078 mg/kg weekly, or 7.8 mg tren ace for 100 kg man.

Moreover, bovid are less AR-dense than humans in skeletal muscle, meaning that all else being equal they require a higher dose than humans for equivalent anabolism.

Of course, there are considerable differences in metabolism between man and bovid that might cause...

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Certainly, we can say that the 350 mg trenbolone acetate "beginner" dose is extremely high.

Human equivalent dosing from a Synovex implant that delivers 200 mg trenbolone acetate + 20 mg estradiol & has a duration of activity between 80 - 90 days equates to ≈ 0.078 mg/kg weekly, or 7.8 mg tren ace for 100 kg man.

Moreover, bovid are less AR-dense than humans in skeletal muscle, meaning that all else being equal they require a higher dose than humans for equivalent anabolism.

Of course, there are considerable differences in metabolism between man and bovid that might cause orders of magnitude discrepancies in net anabolism.

Bioluminescence data that quantifies the relative potency to transactivate the AR that suggests that 350 mg/w trenbolone is ≈ to 1.5 g/w testosterone.

Finally, we have human evidence, unfortunately with a high risk of bias, in the form of self-reports from professional bodybuilders who competed during the early 1980s to 1997 and used Negma's Parabolan. These professionals report using one or two 1.5 mL ampoules containing 76 mg of trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate (equivalent to 50 mg trenbolone base) weekly for phenomenal changes to physique.

After reasoning through all these considerations, we can say confidently that 350 mg weekly trenbolone acetate is stupidly high for a 180 lb man on his third cycle.

 

[Liter O' Test]

that prolactin shit is extremely overblown and you won't need it.
70mg affects my mood greatly but it does work.
also if you need sleep meds to handle tren as regular dude, tren is not for you, sleep meds are poison for the brain

 

[DugPrime]

that prolactin shit is extremely overblown and you won't need it.
70mg affects my mood greatly but it does work.
also if you need sleep meds to handle tren as regular dude, tren is not for you, sleep meds are poison for the brain

I even need sleep meds on TRT lmao, y'all are lucky.

 

[CraneKraken]

What is generally considered the lowest effective dose of trenbolone?

Is there a sweet spot for the amount of testosterone used in conjunction?

Would 50-100mg per week be more likely to bring about some of the benefits and little to no sides?

Does sleep become effected by dose or duration?

Is masteron needed if the dose of trenbolone low enough to minimally impact other aspects like libido/mood, prolactin and progesterone?

Are other meds likely to be needed while running it?
For example: caber, sleep meds and gh?

Best approach to get the most from the least if used for the first time?


Any input is appreciated!

Everyone is so different genetically it's hard to say what would be a good dose for you. You most likely will need to experiment so you can see what works best for you. For instance I'm very lucky in that I don't often get bad sides and tolerate most things. I am pretty low-key in general so Tren doesn't turn me into a high strung psychopath -even at 450mgs per week. Other guys will turn into maniacs at 150mgs a week. There are too many factors at play to throw a specific number at you. Just take it slow and see what you tolerate best.

 

[CraneKraken]

that prolactin shit is extremely overblown and you won't need it.
70mg affects my mood greatly but it does work.
also if you need sleep meds to handle tren as regular dude, tren is not for you, sleep meds are poison for the brain

Pharmaceutical sleep meds are definitely brain poison but melatonin is a natural sleep aid that works great for most ppl.

 

[17SS]

that prolactin shit is extremely overblown and you won't need it.
70mg affects my mood greatly but it does work.
also if you need sleep meds to handle tren as regular dude, tren is not for you, sleep meds are poison for the brain

Work rotating 12hr shifts for over 20 years and see what you think about sleep meds.

 

[Nidus]

75-100mg a week was perfect for me. Together with 4iu GH in a cut i kept on the fullness and felt like a stud while running 250 test 250 primo on top

 

[amazonas]

125mg a week was perfect for me, felt on top of the world. But upping to 200mg a week i got fucked with side effects.

 

[Jaxino]

I dont touch Trenbolone in off-season anymore, it hold me back for years.

I would stay away from it as much as possible even 100mg a week.

Soon or later it will effect you.... I said many times "ohhhh have no sides from TREN" yes and when I dropped it everything was better.

So for me the lowest effective dose is 0.

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

What is generally considered the lowest effective dose of trenbolone?

Is there a sweet spot for the amount of testosterone used in conjunction?

Would 50-100mg per week be more likely to bring about some of the benefits and little to no sides?

Does sleep become effected by dose or duration?

Is masteron needed if the dose of trenbolone low enough to minimally impact other aspects like libido/mood, prolactin and progesterone?

Are other meds likely to be needed while running it?
For example: caber, sleep meds and gh?

Best approach to get the most from the least if used for the first time?


Any input is appreciated!

What reason do you want the lowest effective dose?

Is it for health reasons or bad experiences with higher doses?

 

[Astartes]

Work rotating 12hr shifts for over 20 years and see what you think about sleep meds.

This is a serious comment. I’m not skewering you.

Done some of that and more in the military. Fly all over and experience jet lag.

Wanna know what works best for myself and every person I have put on it? CPAP or better BiPAP.

Seriously. The breathing and positive airflow once in sync will drop you out in 30 minutes 95% of the time.

Quit the mess and try this for 180 days.

Stick to it through the first 90 and don’t give up when you feel claustrophobic. Like diving you have to learn to breathe with the machine.

This isn’t just for folks with APNEA

 

[17SS]

This is a serious comment. I’m not skewering you.

Done some of that and more in the military. Fly all over and experience jet lag.

Wanna know what works best for myself and every person I have put on it? CPAP or better BiPAP.

Seriously. The breathing and positive airflow once in sync will drop you out in 30 minutes 95% of the time.

Quit the mess and try this for 180 days.

Stick to it through the first 90 and don’t give up when you feel claustrophobic. Like diving you have to learn to breathe with the machine.

This isn’t just for folks with APNEA

Thanks, I’ve been using one for about a decade now. Still need sleep meds when turning. Then add in the early afternoon calls on my day off to come in for overtime that night suck.

 

[Astartes]

Thanks, I’ve been using one for about a decade now. Still need sleep meds when turning. Then add in the early afternoon calls on my day off to come in for overtime that night suck.

Do you drink coffee or stimulant beverages

 

[17SS]

Do you drink coffee or stimulant beverages

Only before lunch unless working a nightshift after being up all day.

Sometimes sleep meds aren’t needed but when I have to make myself go to sleep they’re used. A 12 hour shift basically uses up 15 hours of the day so that doesn’t leave much time for sleep.

 

[Astartes]

Only before lunch unless working a nightshift after being up all day.

Sometimes sleep meds aren’t needed but when I have to make myself go to sleep they’re used. A 12 hour shift basically uses up 15 hours of the day so that doesn’t leave much time for sleep.

Your adrenal system is way out of wack and in a constant state of flux. Stimulants exhaust it and put you in a constantly depressed state. Then you create more volatility and circadian rhythm changes with shift adjustments and you have a never ending cycle.

I know this is very very hard to do in your situation, but you have got to get off all pre workouts, stimulants and coffee etc.

If you need coffee (as I do, cause I just love it) keep it to one or two cups of decaf coffee only. I had to come off after the military. Took me about a year and was HARD, but very very worth it.

If you can do that, you will set yourself up for success I would think.

One Caveat. Prozac if you are experiencing anxiety related sleeplessness. Prozac unlike a lot of other SSRIs won’t exacerbate your challenges.

Lot of this comes from assisting vets with PTSD and other post trauma or service related emotional sleeplessness

 

[rokkrul3r]

as anabolic aid 50mg on top of something like 500 test

 

[egruberman]

anxiety related sleeplessness

I use a vagus nerve stimulator made by Hoolest that works pretty well to address anxiety. CBD tincture is also anxiolytic.