Main Reason Bush/Cheney Won

[DaRooster]

First off congrats to all who got out and voted. This country makes me proud when I see turnout numbers such as the ones for Nov 2 elections.
This country has demonstrated in clear terms its state of mind. This country is afraid. Fear dominates the agenda. Why do I say that?

Polls across the nation asked one simple question as what issue matters most in this election.
The number one reason people voted like they did was based on the canidates' morality! Morals was more important than jobs, national security or healtha care.
Morals? That a poor indication of potential. Its no indication of intelect. Its no indication of job performance.

Do you really decide who you pick for your Physician, dentist, pilot, police officer, based on thier moral view points. If they are for or against abortion. For or against the death penalty. For or against gay marriage.
What if your current job/ business was obtained based on your moral beliefs?
Would you have been hired for that job. Would that be the primary reason to hire a baby sitter to watch your child?
The products we buy, are they based on the producers moral inclenations?
Why then elect a President primarily based on his "supposed higher moral standards"
If christianity is the standard which to live by, Why is this world so screwed up.
This nation is afraid and based on that fear it made its choice. SAD
Next time you who voted for Bush buy a car or a house or a computer, make sure the manufaturer goes to church every sunday... LOL what a joke people.
The joke is Bush is no more moral than Kerry. The punch line is he is far less intelligent/competent enough to lead this country.
Fear rules!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kayz]

I respect your opinion and value your contribution to this board, but you henestly believe that approximatley 60 million Americans are "afraid"?? Why can't they just believe in an agenda or a candidate??? Why is everyone's opinion but your own viewed as "wrong"????

And please don't bring up the whole "bush is stupid, kerry is omnipotent".....Bush had higher SAT's than Kerry and a higher IQ.

 

[killiob]

I respect your opinion and value your contribution to this board, but you henestly believe that approximatley 60 million Americans are "afraid"?? Why can't they just believe in an agenda or a candidate??? Why is everyone's opinion but your own viewed as "wrong"????

And please don't bring up the whole "bush is stupid, kerry is omnipotent".....Bush had higher SAT's than Kerry and a higher IQ.

Thanks, I was getting ready to say the same thing, how is morals not good for choosing a president. It doesn't mean that it was the only reason people voted for Bush. I do believe that President Bush's morals are better than Kerry's, since Kerry is for partial abortion, and taking god out of the country and schools. This just my $.02. Have a good day.

thanks
killiob

 

[Paulo]

While I am a subscriber to the "Nation of Fear" ideaology... I feel your analogies are incorrect. Physicians, pilots and dentists don't help set public policy.

Either way, I'm not looking forward to 4 more years of terrorizing terroristic terror but I'll do what I can which is basically hope for the best.

 

[Grizzly]

Well, if you follow the general tenets of Objectivism, like I do, then productivity, achievement and greatness IS a function of morality. So, morality can do all the things you think it can't.

 

[PlantUrTulips]

why morals you ask? because i don't want a president who will vote to make abortion illegal. I won't vote for a president who discriminates against gay people, I won't vote for a sheriff who is racist, abuses his power and doesn't do his job because of his bad morals. Morals attach to every aspect whether you see it or not. DUH!

 

[jbiggs]

DaRosster I'm sorry to hear you have such a "fear" of morality.

As far as who I would choose to be "your Physician, dentist, pilot, police officer," I would sure hope they would have morals!

Morality was just one area that W was elected on.

Continue to live in fear, afterall a rooster is just a type of chicken!

 

[Millard]

I believe in early exit polls, "moral issues" was the number one determinant of who voters selected. It was more important than "terrorism" and "economic issues."

This was somewhat surprising.

But I think we need to analyze the role of christian fundamentalists, evangelical Christians, and "born again" Christians and the theocracy of Bush to understand the significance of this.

 

[Grizzly]

We also need to realize that morals play into economics. Owners of companies COULD pay you bullshit money, give you no OT, not offer benefits, not offer a pension/401k, etc. and make a MUCH bigger profit. Sure, many workers would only work there a short time, but there are plenty of people to be had.

However, their ethics(that's morals without religion) tells them that raping the people who account for their standard of life is not a good thing to do. Thus, they don't do it.

 

[Kayz]

We also need to realize that morals play into economics. Owners of companies COULD pay you bullshit money, give you no OT, not offer benefits, not offer a pension/401k, etc. and make a MUCH bigger profit. Sure, many workers would only work there a short time, but there are plenty of people to be had.

However, their ethics(that's morals without religion) tells them that raping the people who account for their standard of life is not a good thing to do. Thus, they don't do it.

I think this is the most well-thought out post I have ever read and it is very true. In our business, we overlook a great deal of "milked" overtime because our employees could use the money more than us. We do it to help them out.

In 1999, we had a record year. After all bills were paid and after all the money was put aside to cover expenses during the slow season...we posted PROFITS of $1.2 million. Now, my family could have taken all of this for themselves and said "fuck you", but we didn't. WE gave out very very generous bonuses as a way of saying "thank you for all you do".

I think each truck driver received $10K....the women in the front office who take care of all the orders and deal with all the shitty customers and their problems day in and day out...got $12K each!!!

We didn't have to do this, but we care about our employees as they make us successful. And yes, that is just morals.

 

[macattack]

"A little less complaint and whining, and a little more dogged work and manly striving, would do us more credit than a thousand civil rights bills."


W. E. B. Du Bois quotes (American scholar, sociologist and civil-rights leader,1868-1963)

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[Grizzly]

Shit, you looking for some new help, Kayz? LOL

 

[fastass]

Well it does not matter now. Bush is in again.. All we can do is stand behind him and hope he does the right things for our country.
God Bless America

 

[db2]

Well I actually feel, that tape by Osama was actually a boost for Bush, if you think about it, the tape came out right before the elections, now we all know if people vote out of fear for terrorism they will vote for Bush, those more concerned with domestic policy will choose Kerry. By that tape being released, it told the American public that Bin Laden was alive and well and still a threat causing some fear and I believe swinging some undecided's Bush's way.

 

[Sensational]

Now I wouldn't give the candidates too much credit in either winning or losing. Alot of Kerry voters are/were voting against Bush, and alot of Bush voters will vote the Republican ticket even if they are not that happy with him. Neither candidate is exceptional, and I would say that only Bush with his progressive view of terrorism really earned or lost any votes(there are some votes on economy etc...but this election was about terrorism). Would I like to see someone other than Bush? Yes I would rather have Kerry. But we can make do, as long as he is kept accountable. That means we need to fight against the erosion of civil liberties like the patriot act, and demand that Bush show discretionary spending. Bush inherited a surplus and created a deficit. He needs to show more discretion...isn't that a republican trait anyway? Granted Congress passes these bills and such, but Bush still has power of veto.

So, stay politically active, and lets keep our president accountable to us the citizens!


BTW, does anybody think Barack O'Bama will run in 2008?
~Sensational

 

[Fat Freddy]

BTW, does anybody think Barack O'Bama will run in 2008?
~Sensational

After a disappointing showing by Kerry throughout rural America, I would be very shocked to see the Democrats nominate a black guy for the presidency in 2008.

It's become pretty clear that you can't win the presidency without somehow connecting yourself with the common country-man's idea of God. Since many rural (Southern) Americans still regard blacks (even ones that are much smarter than them) as second-class citizens, there is absolutely no chance that Obama would even make it through the primaries.

The Democrats need to regroup in the next four years and find a candidate that everybody can identify with. If the last four years are any indication of how the next four are going to be (and I have the feeling that they might be), the Democrats are going to have a much easier time winning important seats in 2008. Bush made lots of big promises this year and continuing down the present course of total failure will make it harder to cover up harsh realities with clever campaigning in the future.

 

[greyowl]

After a disappointing showing by Kerry throughout rural America, I would be very shocked to see the Democrats nominate a black guy for the presidency in 2008.

It's become pretty clear that you can't win the presidency without somehow connecting yourself with the common country-man's idea of God. Since many rural (Southern) Americans still regard blacks (even ones that are much smarter than them) as second-class citizens, there is absolutely no chance that Obama would even make it through the primaries.

The Democrats need to regroup in the next four years and find a candidate that everybody can identify with. If the last four years are any indication of how the next four are going to be (and I have the feeling that they might be), the Democrats are going to have a much easier time winning important seats in 2008. Bush made lots of big promises this year and continuing down the present course of total failure will make it harder to cover up harsh realities with clever campaigning in the future.

You may have a point. Had the Democrats chosen someone like Jimmy Carter, They might have reached a larger number of the religious right who voted Bush even though they were hurting economically.

You also have to fault the dems for choosing a windbag like Kerry, who really didn't stand for anything except for the fact that he wasn't Bush.

However, if the Reps are intelligent enough four years from now to choose McCain, the Dems could run Jesus Christ and they won;t win, because there's no real difference between centrist republicans and the Democrats leaders, except for rhetoric.

BTW, I hope all the rightwingers here collected a lot of Bush Cheney posters during the election. Theyt can use them to decorate their jail cells when they gut busted for AASs thanks to a revamped Patriots Act that will enable the DEA to crack open their secure e-mail servers and gather personal information from mailmen who sideline as narcs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,7371,337484,00.html

 

[DaRooster]

DaRosster I'm sorry to hear you have such a "fear" of morality.

As far as who I would choose to be "your Physician, dentist, pilot, police officer," I would sure hope they would have morals!

Morality was just one area that W was elected on.

Continue to live in fear, afterall a rooster is just a type of chicken!

See. You can't have an oppionion without some childish
ignorate comments and personal attacks.

Morality is the base for the republican party. I don't think anyone is right or wrong here. The rest of the workd dislikes Bush Americans like him. Is anyone right or wrong? But everyone seems to think morality is important. Christian morality. I personally think Christianity is misguided. A religion based on fear. I don't live in fear bro. I have a feeling before these four years are spent that may change. Either way we're all in this together. God help us. LOL

 

[DaRooster]

We also need to realize that morals play into economics. Owners of companies COULD pay you bullshit money, give you no OT, not offer benefits, not offer a pension/401k, etc. and make a MUCH bigger profit. Sure, many workers would only work there a short time, but there are plenty of people to be had.

However, their ethics(that's morals without religion) tells them that raping the people who account for their standard of life is not a good thing to do. Thus, they don't do it.

My point was Both canidates do have a value system based on thier morals. I just don't think Bush should be the poster boy for Christian fundamentalists.
A few years ago it was considered liberal to think Women should vote or smoke cigerettes. Funny how liberal views change.

 

[jbiggs]

See. You can't have an oppionion without some childish
ignorate comments and personal attacks.

Morality is the base for the republican party. I don't think anyone is right or wrong here. The rest of the workd dislikes Bush Americans like him. Is anyone right or wrong? But everyone seems to think morality is important. Christian morality. I personally think Christianity is misguided. A religion based on fear. I don't live in fear bro. I have a feeling before these four years are spent that may change. Either way we're all in this together. God help us. LOL

Your earlier post certainly showed you have a fear of morality and Christians. People always fear what they don't understand. Morality is the cornerstone of civilization. Christianity is not based in fear but in love and compassion.