Liberals, truly the most delusional

[Test_Subject]

Sadly, no logical mind cannot follow the numerous contradictions and fallacies associated with your bizarre quasi liberal sort of BS logic.

I believe, a sane man would have a better chance of charting the course of the celestial bodies with a pencil and scratch pad than understand that mess of fantasy and stupidity.

One can hope, maturity, along with testicular development could possibly, one day bring you into the reality of things. But who knows?

One can hope

This is how I picture you.

 

[Hughinn]

What a bullshit post. Jesus h christ

A bullskit post?

That'd be where a couple of you idiots on here espoused opposition to a police state of absolute power, while cheering on Marxist mobs burning down local police stations, and simultaneously celebrating the growth and power of the single largest, richest and most powerful police precinct the world has ever seen : Washington DC.

You idiots simultaneously say government intervention has caused, and is responsible for suffering and incompetence in a free market, are at the same time, howling like lunatics shrieking from the barred upper storied windows of a common roadside madhouse, asking for more government control of the very same market it flucked up in the first place. And just like the lunatics shrieking from behind bars in the madhouse, y'all make about the same amount of sense.

It's not just the sheer irony and contradiction of you idiots. But the outright stupidity.

Thats the bullskit.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

A bullskit post?

That'd be where a couple of you idiots on here espoused opposition to a police state of absolute power, while cheering on Marxist mobs burning down local police stations, and simultaneously celebrating the growth and power of the single largest, richest and most powerful police precinct the world has ever seen : Washington DC.

You idiots simultaneously say government intervention has caused, and is responsible for suffering and incompetence in a free market, are at the same time, howling like lunatics shrieking from the barred upper storied windows of a common roadside madhouse, asking for more government control of the very same market it flucked up in the first place. And just like the lunatics shrieking from behind bars in the madhouse, y'all make about the same amount of sense.

It's not just the sheer irony and contradiction of you idiots. But the outright stupidity.

Thats the bullskit.

Preach

 

[Test_Subject]

A bullskit post?

That'd be where a couple of you idiots on here espoused opposition to a police state of absolute power, while cheering on Marxist mobs burning down local police stations, and simultaneously celebrating the growth and power of the single largest, richest and most powerful police precinct the world has ever seen : Washington DC.

You idiots simultaneously say government intervention has caused, and is responsible for suffering and incompetence in a free market, are at the same time, howling like lunatics shrieking from the barred upper storied windows of a common roadside madhouse, asking for more government control of the very same market it flucked up in the first place. And just like the lunatics shrieking from behind bars in the madhouse, y'all make about the same amount of sense.

It's not just the sheer irony and contradiction of you idiots. But the outright stupidity.

Thats the bullskit.

It's much easier for you to argue against made up positions than with the ones actually presented, I see. Who actually said any of what you are arguing against? This kind of sloppy, generalized thinking is exactly why I stopped trying to have a discussion with you in the first place.

Between you deleting two posts because what you said was abjectly doltish and you not being able to follow discussion, I'd hold off on calling people out for being stupid if I were you.

 

[Test_Subject]

Let's go back to a great example of you not being able to follow the topic and making specious arguments with no bearing on what was actually said.

This is what I said:

...having the insurers pay healthcare-related costs on behalf of their clients has resulted in health care providers and equipment suppliers being able to charge artificially-inflated prices because they're charging a wealthy company (or the government) instead of a private citizen. These increased costs are, as is with any good or service, then passed on to the consumer -- in the case of the US that's both the government and the private citizen.

Your take from that was this:

So, you didn't then just suggest that government meddling in the Healthcare industry made it worse?

Lol. That's exactly what you said.

How in the hell did you extract "government meddling made it worse" as the point from a post about the negative impact of the private insurance industry on healthcare costs?

Between the sloppy thinking, non sequiturs, deleted posts and general sophistry, I can't take you seriously.

 

[Hughinn]

Let's go back to a great example of you not being able to follow the topic and making specious arguments with no bearing on what was actually said.

This is what I said:


Your take from that was this:

How in the hell did you extract "government meddling made it worse" as the point from a post about the negative impact of the private insurance industry on healthcare costs?

Between the sloppy thinking, non sequiturs, deleted posts and general sophistry, I can't take you seriously.

To suggest Healthcare insurance isn't a direct part of the Healthcare industry isnt just ridiculous. It's utterly stupid.

Private insurance? Healthcare is private. Therefore, so is insurance.

And you've already stated, quite correctly, without even realizing it, that government meddling has not improved anything.

Then, you suggested more government meddling as a solution.

Utterly stupid.

It's impossible to understand the thought process of liberals. The bizarre contradictory philosophy. The ignorance of human affairs. The arrogance and circular reaffirmation of the liberal circle jerk.

Truly, the most delusional.

 

[Test_Subject]

To suggest Healthcare insurance isn't a direct part of the Healthcare industry isnt just ridiculous. It's utterly stupid.

I didn't. Feel free to quote where I suggested that it wasn't. I'll wait.

Private insurance? Healthcare is private. Therefore, so is insurance.

Thanks, Tips. Did you just feel like stating the obvious?

I made the differentiation because some countries have public insurance options available.

And you've already stated, quite correctly, without even realizing it, that government meddling has not improved anything.

Which government meddling in healthcare did I refer to? This should be fun, since I never said anything even resembling that. Again, you have my permission to directly quote me.

Then, you suggested more government meddling as a solution.

No, I said that socialized medicine is cheaper. It is. Are you disputing that fact? Your own American Medical Association agrees with me, so good luck with that...

Discussing these things with you is a complete waste of time because your reading comprehension is, simply put, poor. You're arguing with points that I never made.

I'm going to call this one right now: you're going to come back and double down on the strawman arguments rather than directly quote me, because what I said doesn't line up with what you're claiming that I said.

 

[Test_Subject]

It's impossible to understand the thought process of liberals. The bizarre contradictory philosophy. The ignorance of human affairs. The arrogance and circular reaffirmation of the liberal circle jerk.

Truly, the most delusional.

Again, as I already told you, I'm not a liberal. You're having an argument with yourself.

Have fun with that.

 

[Uncle Ted]

To suggest Healthcare insurance isn't a direct part of the Healthcare industry isnt just ridiculous. It's utterly stupid.

Private insurance? Healthcare is private. Therefore, so is insurance.

And you've already stated, quite correctly, without even realizing it, that government meddling has not improved anything.

Then, you suggested more government meddling as a solution.

Utterly stupid.

It's impossible to understand the thought process of liberals. The bizarre contradictory philosophy. The ignorance of human affairs. The arrogance and circular reaffirmation of the liberal circle jerk.

Truly, the most delusional.

I understand what you're getting at.

I have in the past proposed that we be able to carry minimal payout health insurance with a max payout of $50,000 with a fairly high deductible. In other words a catastrophic plan. This would be dirt cheap for those of us healthy.

The kicker is that i want to get rid of the power of the hospital to take me to court to collect on care provided that i didn't agree to. In other words if I don't sign on the dotted line for X number of dollars then you can't hold me accountable for the bill later on when you take me to court to collect for over priced services.

It has to work both ways, the current healthcare set up is huge scam, they service you and then hand you a massive bill and we see millions going bankrupt to get out of this obscene compensation scams.

Really the freedom loving guy I am would love to have a system where there is no ability to collect on unpaid bills. If someone doesn't feel like paying, then that's your problem, you should have collected the money before you performed the service.

If we're going to go all the way with this responsibility thing, then I push the responsibility onto the big corps and away from the individual, because at the end of the day I don't give a shit about big business, if they go under I could care less.

 

[Uncle Ted]

A bullskit post?

That'd be where a couple of you idiots on here espoused opposition to a police state of absolute power, while cheering on Marxist mobs burning down local police stations, and simultaneously celebrating the growth and power of the single largest, richest and most powerful police precinct the world has ever seen : Washington DC.

You idiots simultaneously say government intervention has caused, and is responsible for suffering and incompetence in a free market, are at the same time, howling like lunatics shrieking from the barred upper storied windows of a common roadside madhouse, asking for more government control of the very same market it flucked up in the first place. And just like the lunatics shrieking from behind bars in the madhouse, y'all make about the same amount of sense.

It's not just the sheer irony and contradiction of you idiots. But the outright stupidity.

Thats the bullskit.

Free Markets are glorified as if they were the fix for all problems.

The issue is that you turn everything into a commodity to be bought and then turn others into slaves so they have to work for the "RIGHT TO LIVE".

Lets take a look at the natives that were here long long before we showed up. They traded simple objects, they fought over turf, but they didn't come along and say I own this lake and if you want some water you have to pay me for the right to natural resources, in other words you become my slave.

This is capitalism 101, it turns certain people into sociopaths where everything is carried out with mechanized efficiency to the point, we that care get lost in a system, becoming a cog in the wheel. Eventually this system can come to brutalize all life on this planet, man, beast and nature.

I understand where you get your philosophy, but it's not innate in you.

It's like someone is putting words in your mouth.
Martin Heidegger pointed out this problem of playing the part of someone's dummy for a ventriloquist. These ideas you espouse, this right wing talk, is just someone else's ideas that have been planted in your head. We know what the right wing talking points are, but we'd like to know what you really think, is there an original person in there are you just gonna mouth someone else's words? If that's the point, are you even alive, if I remove the right wing philosophy from your mind, would you still be you?

 

[flenser]

Back to the current "liberal" agenda...

 

[Hughinn]

Free Markets are glorified as if they were the fix for all problems.

The issue is that you turn everything into a commodity to be bought and then turn others into slaves so they have to work for the "RIGHT TO LIVE".

Lets take a look at the natives that were here long long before we showed up. They traded simple objects, they fought over turf, but they didn't come along and say I own this lake and if you want some water you have to pay me for the right to natural resources, in other words you become my slave.

This is capitalism 101, it turns certain people into sociopaths where everything is carried out with mechanized efficiency to the point, we that care get lost in a system, becoming a cog in the wheel. Eventually this system can come to brutalize all life on this planet, man, beast and nature.

I understand where you get your philosophy, but it's not innate in you.

It's like someone is putting words in your mouth.
Martin Heidegger pointed out this problem of playing the part of someone's dummy for a ventriloquist. These ideas you espouse, this right wing talk, is just someone else's ideas that have been planted in your head. We know what the right wing talking points are, but we'd like to know what you really think, is there an original person in there are you just gonna mouth someone else's words? If that's the point, are you even alive, if I remove the right wing philosophy from your mind, would you still be you?

You’ve missed the point completely. And have mistaken my nature absolutely.

In your delusional ignorance and utopian musings, you’ve even dismissed truth spoken plainly as “right wing propaganda” while spewing vile and wretched utopian propaganda yourself. You’re ignorance is truly appalling, but typical.

“Lets take a look at the natives that were here long long before we showed up. They traded simple objects, they fought over turf, but they didn't come along and say I own this lake and if you want some water you have to pay me for the right to natural resources, in other words you become my slave”

In other words: they lost, and were therefore subjugated. As has always been the case in all of human history. Isn’t it? The earth, as it is today, is no more than a vast boneyard of failed and defeated civilizations, species and peoples. Every inch of soil, every acre, has its history of failure buried underneath. And there is much more to come, because that story has not ended, but has just begun.


“This is capitalism 101, it turns certain people into sociopaths where everything is carried out with mechanized efficiency to the point, we that care get lost in a system, becoming a cog in the wheel. Eventually this system can come to brutalize all life on this planet, man, beast and nature”

In your near infantile interpretation of nature, you think the problem with natures law, is man’s interpretation. And you’re right, except you understand nothing of nature, nor the true and unwritten law of man and nature . You’re juvenile almost. Its pathetic. You preaching of natural law, then moan and howl at the “system “ such as it is. You’re a feeble wretch.

All emotional rhetoric about “love one another,” “learn to labor and to wait,” man, beast and nature,, blah,blah,blah,, etc., has a tendency to paralyze effort — to make victims rather than victors of assentients. Every man’s hand IS against every other man; EXCEPT where LIVING individuals have formed temporary co-partnerships. When one partner breaks the mutual agreement, then the Combine is necessarily dissolved, and all become enemies — as before. Fraternity between carnivores is as transient as the smoke of the morning. It is a pro-tem expedient.
There is no law, made by man that can change such affairs. Man made laws only can define the parties and roles. And such laws are made by rulers, for subordinates. So make your choice.

Again, you are no anarchist, in any real meaningful definition true to the philosophy.

You’re a typical liberal idiot, posing as something else. "Someone else's ideas planted in your head". Your posts truly stink with the nauseating stench of typical leftist musings and dreams. With a utopian dream and a childish understanding of reality you're A person whose sheer ignorance is a true danger to one who values liberty.

 

[No Gods No Masters]

Again, you are no anarchist, in any real meaningful definition true to the philosophy.

You’re a typical liberal idiot, posing as something else. "Someone else's ideas planted in your head". Your posts truly stink with the nauseating stench of typical leftist musings and dreams. With a utopian dream and a childish understanding of reality you're A person whose sheer ignorance is a true danger to one who values liberty.

What liberty are you talking about?

What exactly is true liberty?

 

[conqueror]

Great Post.

How about abolishing the two party system, removing party labels. Removing money from campaigning.

Have candidates sit down and debate, create a space where these debates can be streamed on tv, net, radio for free, flesh out their ideas, but get rid of all the parties, just ban that shit. If we detect you're going down an ideological path that links to a party then we eliminate you from the pool of candidates.

This produces a person that is rational, that has eliminated his/her bias and hopefully any extreme views.

No. For democracy to work, partisan or impartially, the populace needs to be smart. Average Americans are dumber than a back of fucking rocks. You can’t fix that with educational televised debates nor fostering dialogue or whatever the heck you have in mind. Stupidity is more nature than nurture. Ask any monkey. I’m one year late into this thread and as it turns out the cringy opening statement of the OP was only vindicated with time. Turns out all the so-called "moderates" really had no fucking clue. America as it stands today is being driven down by the left. I say this because of two undeniable facts: (1) American hegemony is in decline globally, it is a dark period in our history and (2) Liberal influence is at its peak. You can’t argue with facts.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPLUiMlOWFU

 

[Hughinn]

What liberty are you talking about?

What exactly is true liberty?

What is exactly is true liberty?

It's nothing more than understanding the fact that your own possession of rights and freedoms are limited only by your own ability to take them, and your will & strength to keep them.

 

[Brandaddy]

This is how I've seen the extreme left the last couple years. Complaining the country is going to shit while everything is going great in my world. Lol

 

[devreux]

Liberals: the people who say they believe in freedom of speech
Also liberals: support censorship of opinions they don't agree with.

conservatives: want freedom of speech, except no one's allowed to say anything bad about jesus or trump
also conservatives: support censorship of legitimate research studies by an expert community who dedicate their life to research

Liberals: the people telling you "white supremecy" is the biggest problem in America.
When working class whites have the higher levels of addiction and suicide than Hispanic, black or Asian women and are the only ethnic group in America to face a declining life expectancy and quality of life and declining wages, liberals tell us thier "privilege " is a threat to us all.

white supremacy is more like "white fragility" a state of mind you get from depending so much on your racial privilege to function in the world that the mere suggestion of treating everyone the same way somehow takes away something that you think you already have--and it scares the shit out of you so much that you will go to extremely violent and crazy measures to prevent any sort of bad karma from happening in return

Liberals blame the working class white men for the ruination of cities most of them have never been to, and blame them for declining test scores in schools they don't attend.

no. no liberals believe this.

Liberals claim its their "priveledge" thats the biggest "threat to our democracy "

no what?

Those people are sick. Really sick

no.

Liberals believe that...
1) ...it's impossible to come to any sort of reasonable compromise with conservatives on anything, but that we can fix our problems with nations like Iran and North Korea by just sitting down and talking things out.

no. bush and obama are bros. conservative does not mean trump worshipper. your false prophet has besmirched the ideology of "conservative" that's why your group is so divided

2) ...they're the most compassionate people in society. Yet, in study after study, you find that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals.

no liberals do not claim to be compassionate. at the same time, conservatives think that making sure every citizen has basic needs met that gives people life like food and medicine is an extreme "commy" idea that literally every other developed country has figured out already

3) ...they're not racist despite the fact that they consistently support policies that have been several orders of magnitude more devastating to black Americans than the Ku Klux Klan.

yes liberals and conservatives have done their crimes to black americans. saying "that party did worse" does not make the other one better. especially without examples.

4) ...we've all got to dramatically reduce our carbon footprint to save the planet. Yet, liberals like Al Gore live in big mansions and fly around in private jets while still maintaining their credibility with their fellow environmentalist libs.

this is the stupidest shit i've read all day

5) ...they're the people who are really looking out for women, but they strongly support sexual predators like Bill Clinton and they regularly hurl grotesque sexist insults at feminist role models like Sarah Palin who don't toe-the-liberal-line.

since we're pointing fingers here, the GOP has plenty of child predators literally in court right now. makes no sense why you would bring up a grown man having an affair with another grown woman. people have affairs and it has nothing to do with their political affiliation

6) ...we definitely need to have higher tax rates in this country. Yet many of Obama's nominees and cabinet members, including the Secretary of the Treasury, don't pay their taxes as is -- and liberals are okay with that.

the tax rate increase applies to the amount over $400,000--if you don't know how marginal tax brackets work, you were never going to make $400,000 to begin with. the idea is that the top 1% is paying little to no taxes, while you flex about the "working class man" previously, while you also conveniently ignore that they pay more taxes than the richest 1%

the idea is to make sure everyone is held accountable

7) ...guns should be banned! Yet, while they want to take guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans who live in dangerous neighborhoods, they believe liberal celebrities like Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell should be able to hire armed bodyguards.

yeah guns guns "they're gonna take my guns!!" for a political party that boasts about how fearless and strong they are, they sure do rely a lot on guns like they are literally scared of everything. the idea is to make it more difficult for people to shoot up schools, churches, and movie theaters, shit like that

8) ...they're the ones who really care about educating children; yet time and time again, they support policies that hurt our kids, but help their political allies in the teachers’ unions.

more points with no examples. what are you even talking about? the educated population is more liberal because they're fucking smarter

9) ...running deficits are bad! After all, liberals ceaselessly took credit for the budget being balanced during the Clinton years and attack Bush for his profligate spending, right? Yet, despite the fact that Obama is running an unsustainable deficit so large that it threatens the future of the country, liberals are perfectly fine with it.

no examples here. off hand i know that every single liberal president has recovered the economy that the conservative president literally fucked before leaving office, every time

10) ...college campuses are supposed to be places of learning and intellectual openness, but they approve of conservative speakers being attacked and shouted down.

any examples here?? nope. ok. yeah colleges have conservative groups that are funded by universities. they aren't very popular though as you might imagine

11) ...they're gay-friendly even as they work to out gay Republicans and they often accuse the Republicans they hate the most of secretly being gay.

who exactly are you talking about here? any examples? literally every politician who ranted about the gays the hardest was also getting fucked in the ass the hardest in secret.

12) ...they're the ones who are champions of free speech, but liberals want to silence their most effective critics on talk radio via the Fairness Doctrine.

who are these effective critics? because liberals are alive and well. and also conservatives want free speech, but only if your speech literally licks trump's asshole at the same time

13) ...they're the ones who really want to stick to the Constitution. Yet, liberals buy into a "living Constitution," which is nothing more in practice than substituting your personal opinion for what's actually in the Constitution.

what the fuck are you even talking about???

14) ...it was terrible for George Bush to detain terrorists indefinitely, to use extraordinary rendition to send them to other nations, and to withhold more photos of what happened at Abu Ghraib -- but, when Obama did the exact same things, few liberals had anything to say about it.

also, no idea what you're talking about. liberals like george bush

15) ...we have to move away from sources of energy like oil, coal, and nuclear power towards what they believe are more eco-friendly power sources like wind power. Yet, whenever anyone tries to build a wind turbine, it's almost always a liberal that attempts to stop it -- just as Ted Kennedy did because he was afraid his yachting view might be spoiled if the ideas he championed were put into practice.

what the fuck are you even talking about?? hahaha

16) ...they're courageous for speaking out against Republicans while Hollywood and the media cheer them on, but when the time comes to speak out against the abuses of radical Muslims, they're terrified into silence.

we also have something called "radical christians" they're not real christians just like the "radical muslims" aren't real muslims.

17) ...when someone despises America, we need to ask, "What have we done to make him hate us?" -- but, when someone despises liberals for what they're doing to the country, they conclude that person must be ignorant, bigoted, or evil.

nah, liberals are okay with conservatives. but you're mixing up "conservative" with "trump worshipper" -- as you can see, the "conservative" party is divided over this. and divided you shall fall

18) ...it's morally abhorrent to put a serial killer to death, but that a mother killing her baby via abortion is merely a "choice."

conservatives: "pro-life" except after the baby's born, do absolutely nothing to make sure that baby lives a full healthy life. also non-white abortions don't matter. also be "pro-life" but secretly get abortions anyway

here's a question i want you to answer: if a building is on fire and you can save either a 5-year-old girl or a case of 10 frozen embryos, but not both, and they weigh the same, what would you save? answer that honestly and then tell me what you think about "life beginning at conception"

there are also liberals who support the death penalty LOL

19) ...we have to count every vote, except for members of the military serving overseas, most of whom are denied their right to vote because Democratic politicians deliberately delay in sending out their ballots until it's too late for them to be returned in time.

he lost, snowflake. get over it

20) ...when they looked at information from our intelligence agencies and concluded that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, they were just mistaken -- but when George Bush looked at the same info and drew the same conclusion, he was lying.

what the fuck are you even talking about?? LOL


stupid

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

And you've already stated, quite correctly, without even realizing it, that government meddling has not improved anything.

Then, you suggested more government meddling as a solution.

Utterly stupid.

It's impossible to understand the thought process of liberals. The bizarre contradictory philosophy. The ignorance of human affairs. The arrogance and circular reaffirmation of the liberal circle jerk.

Truly, the most delusional.

It's been made abundantly clear to me that test_subject is very impressed with his own pseudo intelligence. He goes on to say that politicians would "burn your family alive" if it would guarantee them winning an election. He has said this in multiple posts. Then, here in this post, he goes on to suggest how America should follow other countries with "socialized medicine" to keep costs down. Who does he think runs socialized programs for a state?

I find people who staunchly and aggressively substitute the word socialism for welfare state (yes, there is a difference) for the purpose of ensuring the wellbeing and safety of the public to always have a radicalized far Left wing agenda.

He claims over and over again how he's not a liberal. Yet anytime I provide a highly reputable source to support my claims he shoots them down if it's from a highly reputed conservative thinktank. In other words, conservatives viewpoints are not reputable (because he says so and is apparently the arbiter of the conversation and gets to decide!).