MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

Well they do have a disctictive smell. That all too familiar hospital like aroma. I mean that's probably the easiest part to replicate I'd imagine.

Yeah, the counterfeiters did some scientific research to see what they could add that wasn't harmful that would give it the same smell and then went to the trouble of adding it to their fake genotropin just to try and trick you. Damn, I don't think I have ever met a more untrusting group before; which is ironic because you completely trust Jim and his lack of transparent data.
 
Yeah, the counterfeiters did some scientific research to see what they could add that wasn't harmful that would give it the same smell and then went to the trouble of adding it to their fake genotropin just to try and trick you. Damn, I don't think I have ever met a more untrusting group before; which is ironic because you completely trust Jim and his lack of transparent data.

So you're saying the actual GH emits that odor and not the solution it's mixed with????

Damn, I don't think I have ever met a more untrusting group before;

And rightfully so. Check a few pages back and take a look at who's been asking for data. Are you even reading the same thread?
 
I have no idea whether its the GH or the water they use. I don't even know the ingredients of their water and highly doubt that someone who is going to the trouble of counterfeiting a Genotropin pen is going to research Genotropins water to make sure the smell is correct; come on lets be serious here.
 
Damn, I don't think I have ever met a more untrusting group before; which is ironic because you completely trust Jim and his lack of transparent data.

It wouldn't matter how transparent Jim was. You still wouldn't accept the data. Last night, when I showed you how the math is used to determine concentration, I predicted you would look for something else for which you could object, and sure enough, you proved me right. If Jim posted his standard, you'd look through it until you found something (misinterpreted, as always) and then you'd say "Uh, huh! Something doesn't look right here." If he took you to the lab itself to watch the test being done, you'd say the data is still suspect because the samples might have tampered with or the chemist used the wrong HPLC machine or the Janitor looks shady. It's clear that nothing will satisfy you.

You came to Meso with the intent of discrediting this test any way you could. When your objections have been invalidated, as has happened each and every time, you move on to something else, as if your previous objections never happened. Your latest objection - the Genotropin standard - is as wrong as all the others but you don't know enough about the science to even know why.

You talk about transparency? rajjin won't even allow the data to be posted at ProMuscle because it proves one of his top paying sponsors is selling underdosed GH. Before this thread, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in spite of the fact that you were Karl's number one cheerleader last year. But your agenda is becoming more 'transparent' with each post you make. You're not here to find the truth about generic Chinese GH, and I no longer believe you were sincere about finding the truth about Karl's GH. You're here to represent ProMuscle's sponsor. No thinking person could read your posts and not come to that conclusion.

Look at this thread and what it's become. It's a fucking farce. Mands complained that his thread was turning to shit, but he's either too blind or so dazzled by the idea of being welcomed into ProMuscle's inner sanctum that he can't see you're the one that did it - because you have an agenda.
 
I have no idea whether its the GH or the water they use. I don't even know the ingredients of their water and highly doubt that someone who is going to the trouble of counterfeiting a Genotropin pen is going to research Genotropins water to make sure the smell is correct; come on lets be serious here.

I do know what it is and it is not the GH. Why are you arguing when you don't even know what you're talking about?

If someone is going to go through the trouble of counterfeiting Genotropins(which many obviously do) the solution, which is the easiest to detect, seeing how all you have to do is smell the damn thing would be pretty high on the to do list.

Let's be serious here. You were actually making a little bit of sense the past couple days. Seems like you started drinking or some shit.

Edit: By the way, If anyone wants the genos to be legit, it's me. Since I've been pinning them everyday...
 
It wouldn't matter how transparent Jim was. You still wouldn't accept the data. Last night, when I showed you how the math is used to determine concentration, I predicted you would look for something else for which you could object, and sure enough, you proved me right. If Jim posted his standard, you'd look through it until you found something (misinterpreted, as always) and then you'd say "Uh, huh! Something doesn't look right here." If he took you to the lab itself to watch the test being done, you'd say the data is still suspect because the samples might have tampered with or the chemist used the wrong HPLC machine or the Janitor looks shady. It's clear that nothing will satisfy you.

You came to Meso with the intent of discrediting this test any way you could. When your objections have been invalidated, as has happened each and every time, you move on to something else, as if your previous objections never happened. Your latest objection - the Genotropin standard - is as wrong as all the others but you don't know enough about the science to even know why.

You talk about transparency? rajjin won't even allow the data to be posted at ProMuscle because it proves one of his top paying sponsors is selling underdosed GH. Before this thread, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in spite of the fact that you were Karl's number one cheerleader last year. But your agenda is becoming more 'transparent' with each post you make. You're not here to find the truth about generic Chinese GH, and I no longer believe you were sincere about finding the truth about Karl's GH. You're here to represent ProMuscle's sponsor. No thinking person could read your posts and not come to that conclusion.

Look at this thread and what it's become. It's a fucking farce. Mands complained that his thread was turning to shit, but he's either too blind or so dazzled by the idea of being welcomed into ProMuscle's inner sanctum that he can't see you're the one that did it - because you have an agenda.

CBS, you appear dumber with every post you make. The fact that you are blind to the truth that the grey tops and apparently some other Chinese GH's are accurately dosed is clearly evident. Ask anyone that has actually used the grey tops and they will tell you that you are a lunatic and there is no way they are underdosed. People that have been taking it have never questioned the strength, only the purity, as they are skeptical of the Chinese as you are. Whats funny, is according to your tests, even the Genotropin is underdosed. Yeah, those damn pharmaceutical companies have been tricking us for years, lol. But even at its underdosed state, you have chosen without question to make it your new standard. But then when I question that, you do everything in your power to discredit me.

Here is how positive I am that the grey tops are legit: Lets find a neutral lab. Then lets find someone who is a neutral party that we both trust who has a recent grey top kit. They will send the kit into the lab and the loser has to pay for the testing. I even have a better idea so there is no out of pocket cost to you. We can make it a "board wars" game, not really a war but just for fun. We can each raise money at our respective boards(you here and me PM, since Jim thiks I am the owner, lmao) for donations for a "testing fund". The winner gets to keep all the money and it will go to a testing fund to fund further testing. What do you think? That way no one really loses money and we all come out winners.

I am willing to bet all this gets washed under the table with another CBS deflection and no more answers and nothing positive towards a solution. Anybody care to take me up on that bet too?
 
I do know what it is and it is not the GH. Why are you arguing when you don't even know what you're talking about?

If someone is going to go through the trouble of counterfeiting Genotropins(which many obviously do) the solution, which is the easiest to detect, seeing how all you have to do is smell the damn thing would be pretty high on the to do list.

Let's be serious here. You were actually making a little bit of sense the past couple days. Seems like you started drinking or some shit.

Edit: By the way, If anyone wants the genos to be legit, it's me. Since I've been pinning them everyday...

I never said it was the GH; I said either the GH or the water; I have no clue as I haven't analyzed the fricking smell. And I guarantee you, whomever is making counterfeit Geno, probably has no idea about the smell; its not like something many people talk about or even have a clue about. Jeez, yeah they are going to go to the trouble of counterfeiting the smell so you don't think its fake, but then underdose it because youll never know. I swear there is no fucking common sense around here.
 
It wouldn't matter how transparent Jim was. You still wouldn't accept the data. Last night, when I showed you how the math is used to determine concentration, I predicted you would look for something else for which you could object, and sure enough, you proved me right. If Jim posted his standard, you'd look through it until you found something (misinterpreted, as always) and then you'd say "Uh, huh! Something doesn't look right here." If he took you to the lab itself to watch the test being done, you'd say the data is still suspect because the samples might have tampered with or the chemist used the wrong HPLC machine or the Janitor looks shady. It's clear that nothing will satisfy you.

You came to Meso with the intent of discrediting this test any way you could. When your objections have been invalidated, as has happened each and every time, you move on to something else, as if your previous objections never happened. Your latest objection - the Genotropin standard - is as wrong as all the others but you don't know enough about the science to even know why.

You talk about transparency? rajjin won't even allow the data to be posted at ProMuscle because it proves one of his top paying sponsors is selling underdosed GH. Before this thread, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in spite of the fact that you were Karl's number one cheerleader last year. But your agenda is becoming more 'transparent' with each post you make. You're not here to find the truth about generic Chinese GH, and I no longer believe you were sincere about finding the truth about Karl's GH. You're here to represent ProMuscle's sponsor. No thinking person could read your posts and not come to that conclusion.

Look at this thread and what it's become. It's a fucking farce. Mands complained that his thread was turning to shit, but he's either too blind or so dazzled by the idea of being welcomed into ProMuscle's inner sanctum that he can't see you're the one that did it - because you have an agenda.

And that's another reason I'm done testing GH samples, shills like MH-96 who sit back collecting a windfall by allowing PM "sponsors" to sell an under dosed product and protecting those who are lining your pockets with cash

All the while blindly criticizing anyone who might have the gall to post data on some other forum like Meso (better keep PM members safe and protected from concocted analyses like Jim's) contradicting what's on those labels.

You want transparency give me a break. Try posting the data on the GH being sold on PM for once ya damn hypocrite.

MH-96 anyone who believes the garbage your spewing when it's so obvious your agenda is to support the products being sold on PM are asking to get Fucked, and I'm sure your more than happy to oblige them, lol!
 
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And that's the other reason I'm done testing GH samples, shills like MH-96 who sit back collecting a windfall by allowing PM "sponsors" to sell an under dosed product and protecting those who are lining his pockets with cash ANY TIME someone would have the gall to post data on some other forum like Meso (better keep PM members safe and protected from concocted analyses like Jim's) contradicting what's on the label.

You want transparency give me a break. Try posting the data on the GH being sold on PM for once ya damn hypocrite.

MH-96 anyone who believes the garbage your spewing when it's so obvious your agenda is to support the products being sold on PM are asking to get Fucked, and I'm sure your more than happy to oblige them, lol!

Holy shit are you guys clueless. Normally I would get mad at a lot of the shit you guys have posted here. But its so far off base that I can't take it seriously. I especially like the part about me being a shill and allowing PM sponsors to sell underdosed product. Yeah , like I have control over the sponsors. Trust me, if I had any power whatsoever, my first move would be to kick MG off there permanently!!! Unfortunately he is probably going to scam a bunch more people before he leaves there.

What I also find hilarious is that you actually believe that I would support a source a selling underdosed product(anybody who knows my history, knows how absurd that is). I use the fricking product myself. Now who in their right mind would use a product they believe to be underdosed at 4iu instead of 10iu. Whats makes this even more hilarious is these accusations are coming from guys like CBS and Jim that have NO real world experience with these drugs. I have been using GH for 25 years, I know whats real and whats not real from experience and results and then I have my lab tests to give me more reinforcement. I don't need to be a fucking chemist, mathematician, or statistician to know that your lab test is wrong. I also see the results posted of others. There is a huge number of serum and IGF-1 tests over at PM and nothing but compliments about the product. How are these people getting such high IGF-1's and great results off a severely underdosed product? Why is TP so popular and why do people keep ordering(hint: its not because they love the communication or the speed of delivery). So, how is that everybody else is wrong and you are right? Why does the majority of people outside Meso agree that something isn't right with these tests? Come on guys, use some fricking common sense!!! Please tell me you are smarter than this!!!!
 
I swear there is no fucking common sense around here.

There was plenty of it until you showed up.
Are you fucking kidding me? Counterfeiting the smell? Adding the identical solution wouldn't take much. Are you just trolling around here because it feels like I'm talking to a god damn brick.

For the record I haven't said the pens are under dosed or counterfeit. I submitted them and am running them, so I hope they are not. Got a 39 on a serum and igf testing in about 10 days from now.

My point from the beginning of this conversation is that using a smell test to test your GH is a shitty idea....
 
There was plenty of it until you showed up.
Are you fucking kidding me? Counterfeiting the smell? Adding the identical solution wouldn't take much. Are you just trolling around here because it feels like I'm talking to a god damn brick.

For the record I haven't said the pens are under dosed or counterfeit. I submitted them and am running them, so I hope they are not. Got a 39 on a serum and igf testing in about 10 days from now.

My point from the beginning of this conversation is that using a smell test to test your GH is a shitty idea....

When there is only 1 GH on the entire planet to my knowledge that smells that way and if you happen to have that GH and is doesn't smell that way; you don't think that gives you some REAL GOOD INFO!!! Yeah, your right, your full of common sense!!! You have so much common sense that you think the counterfeiters are more interested in copying the fricking smell to trick you into thinking its real than copying the GH. Yeah, your full of common sense. Seriously??? I highly doubt that anyone counterfeiting Genotropin even knows about the damn smell, but you'll have to excuse me as I have no common sense. I have been very patient throughout this thread, but my weak spot is that I have little patience for stupidity.
 
When there is only 1 GH on the entire planet to my knowledge that smells that way and if you happen to have that GH and is doesn't smell that way; you don't think that gives you some REAL GOOD INFO!!! Yeah, your right, your full of common sense!!! You have so much common sense that you think the counterfeiters are more interested in copying the fricking smell to trick you into thinking its real than copying the GH. Yeah, your full of common sense. Seriously??? I highly doubt that anyone counterfeiting Genotropin even knows about the damn smell, but you'll have to excuse me as I have no common sense. I have been very patient throughout this thread, but my weak spot is that I have little patience for stupidity.

All I'm going to say is, if anyone takes the time to counterfeit any product, knowing the product is the first step.
 
All I'm going to say is, if anyone takes the time to counterfeit any product, knowing the product is the first step.

That makes sense, but if they are going to underdose it, I don't think they are going to pay attention to anything other than visual detail. Buts lets agree to disagree as none of this really matters or has any bearing on the discussion at hand. We took a little detour, now lets get back on track and focus on getting the data that we both want.
 
CBS, you appear dumber with every post you make. The fact that you are blind to the truth that the grey tops and apparently some other Chinese GH's are accurately dosed is clearly evident. Ask anyone that has actually used the grey tops and they will tell you that you are a lunatic and there is no way they are underdosed.


You reject objective analytical data in favor of subjective feelings and opinions and I'm the dumb one? Okay.

Whats funny, is according to your tests, even the Genotropin is underdosed. Yeah, those damn pharmaceutical companies have been tricking us for years, lol. But even at its underdosed state, you have chosen without question to make it your new standard. But then when I question that, you do everything in your power to discredit me.


I find it quite amusing that you think you've found a serious error with the Genotropin. The fact that you keep drawing attention to it makes it even better. Your excitement is almost dripping from your posts. I'm sure you start perspiring and your heart rate increases markedly as soon as you think about it. You are wrong about everything you think you've found, of course, but you have no idea why yet.

I liked how you referred to Jim's HPLC as mine. Trying to cast doubt on the test's origin, even in jest, was another transparent attempt to discredit the results, and lends credence to the suggestion that you have an agenda.

Here is how positive I am that the grey tops are legit: Lets find a neutral lab. Then lets find someone who is a neutral party that we both trust who has a recent grey top kit. They will send the kit into the lab and the loser has to pay for the testing. I even have a better idea so there is no out of pocket cost to you. We can make it a "board wars" game, not really a war but just for fun. We can each raise money at our respective boards(you here and me PM, since Jim thiks I am the owner, lmao) for donations for a "testing fund". The winner gets to keep all the money and it will go to a testing fund to fund further testing. What do you think? That way no one really loses money and we all come out winners.

I am willing to bet all this gets washed under the table with another CBS deflection and no more answers and nothing positive towards a solution. Anybody care to take me up on that bet too?


Why would I? I have no doubts about the validity of the HPLC. The HPLC only confirmed what I already knew to be true, anyway, and, since I have no intentions of ever using Chinese generics, I have no interest in taking part in your plan. Maybe someone else will be interested.
 
I know whats real and whats not real from experience and results and then I have my lab tests to give me more reinforcement. I don't need to be a fucking chemist, mathematician, or statistician to know that your lab test is wrong. I also see the results posted of others. There is a huge number of serum and igf-1 tests over at PM and nothing but compliments about the product.

And there it is.

You never had any intentions of accepting this HPLC unless it gave you the results you wanted. All your antics to raise doubt about this test had nothing to do with finding the truth. It was all an effort to discredit the results you didn't like. If the results had been positive, you, rajjin and Big A himself would have plastered the results all over ProMuscle.
 
And there it is.

You never had any intentions of accepting this HPLC unless it gave you the results you wanted. All your antics to raise doubt about this test had nothing to do with finding the truth. It was all an effort to discredit the results you didn't like. If the results had been positive, you, rajjin and Big A himself would have plastered the results all over ProMuscle.

Again, nothing but deflections; not one single answer or information to help resolve the issue that many(not just me) have with these lab reports.
 
And there it is.

You never had any intentions of accepting this HPLC unless it gave you the results you wanted. All your antics to raise doubt about this test had nothing to do with finding the truth. It was all an effort to discredit the results you didn't like. If the results had been positive, you, rajjin and Big A himself would have plastered the results all over ProMuscle.

Oh and one more thing. You currently have a member who was told by Jim that his Genotropin was underdosed 50% and Jim will not post the data even though he has done his part and posted his IGF-1. So as a result of respecting Jim's opinion he is now taking 6iu to get 3iu. I would be willing to bet his Genotropin is legit and accurately dosed and now he is taking twice as much as he should. Don't you find this irresponsible? Do you realize that these results impact others life's. Why not go the extra mile just to make sure you get it right? I know you and Jim don't use these drugs, but don't you actually care about those who do? Why all the resistance and secrecy?
 
Mystery has now been solved. The standard was said to be AS1625-2 and said to be Humatrope. I have been searching for the past hour for this Humatrope sample that was tested, as that is the data that is really in question. I was not able to find any sample of Humatrope, but I did find what AS1625-2 is. Please look at the following link:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/attachments/img001-pdf.16049/

AS1625-2 that you keep comparing everything to as your standard is actually a 20iu vial of Karl's Somastim that should actually be concentrated at 6.8mg/ml; which obviously changes the calculations of the concentrations over every single test performed using it as a standard.

Lets see some real discussion now and not some deflections.
 
And there it is.

You never had any intentions of accepting this HPLC unless it gave you the results you wanted. All your antics to raise doubt about this test had nothing to do with finding the truth. It was all an effort to discredit the results you didn't like. If the results had been positive, you, rajjin and Big A himself would have plastered the results all over ProMuscle.

Are you suggesting MH operates under a double standard, never!

He conducts himself according to the golden stAndard, if it makes money he will do it. LMFAO!
 
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