MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[muscle96ss]

I like my job because I make a lot of money. That makes me happy. I hope when I am older I will be able to retire instead of continuing to work. That will also make me very, very happy.

I could have all the money in the world and sit around and do nothing all day and I would be very unhappy. You need a sense of purpose to be happy and healthy, just my opinion. I am not saying that I don't want a lot of money; but it doesn't necessarily equate to happiness.

 

[Dr JIM]

I did, twice!!!

NOT you deflected as always.

Incidentally in the future when your looking for someone to clarify data submitted try a more humble question based approach rather than insisting after each and every criticism posed is answered that "something is wrong" and that you don't AND won't believe the data. Why would anyone want to "teach" your ass under such conditions!

For you to suggest your hear to learn about GH is PURE BULLSHIT MH just like it was on K's thread!

 

[Dr JIM]

My body responds differently to different GH's. I get more water retention on Serostim than some other GH's and my blood work showed a poor response the last time I tested them. It could be the fillers, it could be because they are made from mammalian cells which is different than the process used for other GH's, or it could be something else; I don't know. I am just telling you my experience. So far, the old Thanktropin and Genotropin have been the best for me in terms of the least water retention and results.

Oh that's the ticket everyone is different EXCEPT when IGF data is misapplied and used to falsely criticise Jim's GH analyses. More BS!

Post these IGF results you keep referring to MH and along with them their respective GH analyses, bc without the latter your comparing apples to oranges or is that something you still need to be "taught" lol!

 

[Dr JIM]

You are fucking clueless.
1) Only about 1/3rd of the data, if that, is from people who received free kits. The majority of it is from people like me who purchased kits with their own money and then got various bloodwork because they were curious as to how well they responded to the GH.

Secondly, you stated that the amount in each vial could vary. Once again,
2) how in the hell are people getting consistent good serums and IGF-1's when the amount of GH is variable. Your dumb-ass theories 3) are not supported by the data.

In fact Jim has such a big ego that if he truly did have the correct information on the standard, 4) he would have posted it and gone through and broken it down step-by-step to show how wrong I am. The fact that we are still having this argument, many weeks later, shows that Jim knows that its
5) Karls GH that is AS1625-2 and he will never post it because it would destroy him.

DAMN ARE YOU CLUELESS-------YEP
1) And the IGF data from ONLY one "third" ( who received FREE SAMPLES from PM) would NOT skew the overall IGF results. The fact is ALL of the samples were to come from individuals WHO PAID for the GH being tested. Perhaps that is why YOU or the involved vendors are so incessant the data I've posted is in error, knowing these "free samples" WERE SPIKED with higher quality GH. Little did they know it was more UGL BS that was NEVER TESTED

How can a legitimate study be conducted on any PED if their is even a remote concern the samples have been SPIKED

If I was aware such BS was the case I would have NEVER approved of it and neither would you if your interests were pure or ARE YOU CLUELESS.

2) People are not "getting good IGF data" on samples that have been analyzed as on this thread, or ARE YOU CLUELESS

3) You have no data that is credible MH but continue to insist you do bc you either have a vested interest or ARE CLUELESS

4) NOPE exactly that has been done on FOUR separate occasions and thereafter you some other reason to lamely discount this data, or ARE YOU CLUELESS

5) As I've already mentioned MH if I did use K's standard YOUR FUCKED but you don't know that BECAUSE YOUR CLUELESS

 

[muscle96ss]

Oh that's the ticket everyone is different EXCEPT when IGF data is misapplied and used to falsely criticise Jim's GH analyses. More BS!

Post these IGF results you keep referring to MH and along with them their respective GH analyses, bc without the latter your comparing apples to oranges or is that something you still need to be "taught" lol!

Read the fucking thread, they are posted!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

They were either NOT analyzed or were YOUR IGF results and the latter can not be trusted!

Besides INDIVIDUAL IGF levels can NOT be utilized to quantify the dose of GH USED on an individual basis and to suggest otherwise is pure bro science, unless of course you can post A citation that states otherwise!

See I KNOW the latter citation DOES NOT EXIST bc IGF assays are used to titrate the dose of GH and NOT the other way around. Your suggestion in this regard is pure garbage and is the ONLY reason YOU CONTEND the data is flawed.

IT''s BRO SCIENCE MH

 

[muscle96ss]

DAMN ARE YOU CLUELESS-------YEP
1) And the IGF data from ONLY one "third" ( who received FREE SAMPLES from PM) would NOT skew the overall IGF results. The fact is ALL of the samples were to come from individuals WHO PAID for the GH being tested. Perhaps that is why YOU or the vendors are so incessant the data I've posted is in error, knowing these "free samples" WERE SPIKED with higher quality GH. Little did they know it was more UGL BS that was NEVER TESTED

If I was aware such BS was the case I would have NEVER approved of it and neither would you if your interests were pure or ARE YOU CLUELESS

2) People are not "getting good IGF data" on samples that have been analyzed as on this thread, or ARE YOU CLUELESS

3) You have no data that is credible MH but continue to insist you do bc you either have a vested interest or ARE CLUELESS

4) NOPE exactly that has been done on FOUR separate occasions and thereafter you some other reason to lamely discount this data, or ARE YOU CLUELESS

5) As I've already mentioned MH if I did use K's standard YOUR FUCKED but you don't know that BECAUSE YOUR CLUELESS

Come off the tren and learn how to speak like an adult!! If you want to have a normal conversation, I am all ears; but your responses are just plain ignorant. Let me give you some help first: You most likely have had me on ignore for most of thread up until now; so you probably have no idea of the content of what I have already posted. Please go back and read through it, and if you have anything you want to discuss in an adult-like manner, I will be happy to discuss it. We can even do it in a private message if you prefer; doesn't matter to me.

 

[muscle96ss]

They were either NOT analyzed or were YOUR IGF results and the latter can not be trusted!

There you have it, I didn't analyze them properly, lol!!! Or if I did, then they are not valid because I can't be trusted. Yeah, thats me, the untrustworthy one!! I am so done with this shit!! This is nothing but a joke with dumb and dumber leading the way!!! Nothing but a huge waste of time.

 

[Dr JIM]

There you have it, I didn't analyze them properly, lol!!! Or if I did, then they are not valid because I can't be trusted. Yeah, thats me, the untrustworthy one!! I am so done with this shit!! This is nothing but a joke with dumb and dumber leading the way!!! Nothing but a huge waste of time.

Beside the fact I can't, don't and won't trust YOU, tell me WHY didn't each individual who's GH was analyzed post their OWN IGF data, rather than you being even remotely involved. It stinks and smells of duplicitous activity pure and simple

But oh come on now MH you can't handle a taste of your OWN MEDICINE, BECAUSE that's EXACTLY how your pretentious ass enter this thread. Jim's data is erroneous, "like I don't care what Jims data shows I don't believe it".

But you came to Meso to "learn" about GH. What a pile of SHIT.

Yea will fortunately my objections are evidence based.

But let's finish this thread MH, post the criteria you need, or believe is required, to "certify" a standard and I'll do it, if that's indeed the case.

It will be posted eventually with or without your "requirements" but I thought it would be a good idea for you to finish what you started, completely expose how ignorant you were about GH assays from the outset!

 

[muscle96ss]

Oh come on now MH you can't handle a taste of your OWN MEDICINE, BECAUSE that's EXACTLY how your pretentious ass enter this thread. Jim's data is erroneous, "like I don't care what Jims data shows I don't believe it".

But you came to Meso to "learn" about GH. What a pile of SHIT.

Yea will fortunately my objections are evidence based.

But let's finish this thread MH, post the criteria you need, or believe is required, to "certify" a standard and I'll do it, if that's indeed the case.

You can go fuck yourself and your standard! You obviously have no intention of posting it, even after you made a deal 2 days ago to post it and asked me yesterday what information I wanted. Just more games which I am done with!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Games, no one knows more about games than you do MH!

 

[mands]

Is this shit really going on? Absolute nonsense from the most intelligent individuals I've met on the boards.

JIM, CBS, Brutus,JB, MH have probably a collective IQ of over 750 and can't get shit accomplished.

I'm fucking done with this thread.

It's useless. Let me know when you guys wanna work together and I'll be back around.

mands

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Is this shit really going on? Absolute nonsense from the most intelligent individuals I've met on the boards.

JIM, CBS, Brutus,JB, MH have probably a collective IQ of over 750 and can't get shit accomplished.

I'm fucking done with this thread.

It's useless. Let me know when you guys wanna work together and I'll be back around.

mands

I'm guilty of piling it on in this thread. You're not free and clear yourself though big guy!!

I'd like to see this thread get back on track so I'll stay quiet. Well, unless muscles says something stupid.. Nah, I'll TRY and keep quiet then too...

 

[mands]

I'm guilty of piling it on in this thread. You're not free and clear yourself though big guy!!

I'd like to see this thread get back on track so I'll stay quiet. Well, unless muscles says something stupid.. Nah, I'll TRY and keep quiet then too...

Oh I know, I'm guilty as hell. I just didn't want to group myself with you fellas and your high IQ's duh JB.

mands

 

[brutus79]

Is this shit really going on? Absolute nonsense from the most intelligent individuals I've met on the boards.

JIM, CBS, Brutus,JB, MH have probably a collective IQ of over 750 and can't get shit accomplished.

I'm fucking done with this thread.

It's useless. Let me know when you guys wanna work together and I'll be back around.

mands

I'm an iq of 250... maybe three hundred on pharm gh. I'm not sure who you are insulting here but that leaves little for the rest of the guys.

 

[Dr JIM]

Is this shit really going on? Absolute nonsense from the most intelligent individuals I've met on the boards.

JIM, CBS, Brutus,JB, MH have probably a collective IQ of over 750 and can't get shit accomplished.

I'm fucking done with this thread.

It's useless. Let me know when you guys wanna work together and I'll be back around.

mands

I'm guilty of piling it on in this thread. You're not free and clear yourself though big guy!!

I'd like to see this thread get back on track so I'll stay quiet. Well, unless muscles says something stupid.. Nah, I'll TRY and keep quiet then too...

I'm an iq of 250... maybe three hundred on pharm gh. I'm not sure who you are insulting here but that leaves little for the rest of the guys.

Oh crap that just leaves me with an IQ of 50. Hey but that will have to do, lol.

Yep MH was on my ignore list and I overlooked his request.

But I'm not going to post just that bc MUCH MORE is required to certify a standard!
That being said

 

[muscle96ss]

I'm an iq of 250... maybe three hundred on pharm gh. I'm not sure who you are insulting here but that leaves little for the rest of the guys.

I take generic GH so I guess mine is only about 40% and only taking up a little of the 750.

 

[Dr JIM]

This is what I will be posting on the Humatrope standard.
1) The limited data MH requested plus

2) A Mass Spec
3) TWO HPLCS
4) The Calibration Curve
5) The Amino Acid Analysis
6) The Trypsin Cleavage assay

A brief description of the standardization process by the involved chemist will also be included.

That being said, because I never thought much of this information would ever be "needed" and bc these standard assays were conducted over ONE YEAR AGO, I don't carry all of this information in my back pocket where I can post it in "FIVE MINUTES" as MH has stated. Comments of that nature tell me how little he appreciates the amount of time and work this form of testing requires.

(It should/could also enlighten A FEW other interested parties about just how short Karl's Western Bio "standard" analyses were, but that was to be expected, IME)

I'm sure some want "more" or will never appreciate the results, but that's just to damn bad bc thereafter this thread will be completed from my perspective!

FYI
The combined out of pocket costs for all the above tests close to THREE GRAND, and for anyone to spend that kind of money on an UNKNOWN sample like Karl's GH when they have access to a prescription product would be absolutely NUTS!

(But then again people who make such accusations haven't the faintest idea about what they are talking about and that SHOULD BE OBVIOUS!)

Regs
Jim

 

[muscle96ss]

This is what I will be posting on the Humatrope standard.
1) The limited data MH requested plus

2) A Mass Spec
3) TWO HPLCS
4) The Calibration Curve
5) The Amino Acid Analysis
6) The Trypsin Cleavage assay

A brief description of the standardization process by the involved chemist will also be included.

That being said, because I never thought much of this information would ever be "needed" and bc these standard assays were conducted over ONE YEAR AGO, I don't carry all of this information in my back pocket where I can post it in "FIVE MINUTES" as MH has stated. Comments of that nature tell me how little he appreciates the amount of time and work this form of testing requires.

(It should/could also enlighten A FEW other interested parties about just how short Karl's Western Bio "standard" analyses were, but that was to be expected, IME)

I'm sure some want "more" or will never appreciate the results, but that's just to damn bad bc thereafter this thread will be completed from my perspective!

Regs
Jim

Actually Jim I do appreciate it. If you go back and read somewhere after the latest results were posted, I stated that with your expertise in the chemistry/lab testing arena and my knowledge of the real world GH scene including access to a huge amount of serum GH's and IGF-1's; if we were to ever learn to work together, we could clean up this GH scene and expose a shitload of scammers. The key to that statement is "working together". The problem is that since the first day we met, you have discounted and invalidated everything that I say simply based on the fact that I am a member of PM. Even back then I stated that the boards don't define who we are and that we are actually on the same team with the same goals.

So maybe from here on out, we can stick to the topic of discussion and move forward. You may not like the boards that I hang out at, but I have a lot of experience and valuable information to offer, and if people would just keep an open mind and look at the facts/data in front of them; we can all learn a lot. I have no agenda other than the truth. I have never sold drugs, never will, and my pocketbook is unaffected by any of these results. So please, no more wild accusations and personal talk. Lets stick to debating the facts and getting everyone on the same page.

 

[Dr JIM]

So maybe from here on out, we can stick to the topic of discussion and move forward. .

There will be nothing more to discuss after I've displayed the standards. The data is what it is, ACCURATE, and posting the standards will not alter that fact at all!

To that end because defending these results has been a big fat ass waste of my time, should I ever opt to analyze a PED again, (and I suspect I will ) ONLY quantitative and qualitative results will be posted, much like Millard has chosen to do.

The bottom line, people either trust or don't trust those whom are involved in chemical analyses and posting MS, HPLC's, AAA or some Calibration curve will not change that.

Your a classic example of what I'm referring to: you entered Meso believing the data was "in error" and will depart with the same impression!