Jim, I hate to say it,but you're boxing yourself in a corner and more sights are trained on you because of it.
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If I were Jim, I would tell the whole bunch of you to go fuck yourselves. I wouldn't post jack shit, including the standard. There's not a single person in this thread that has spent a dime on this testing except for Jim, and yet everyone thinks they're owed something: an explanation, a standard, an answer to every ridiculous objection imaginable, proof of this and proof of that. MH, who admittedly knows nothing about HPLCs, has pored over every minute detail like nit comb through cunt hair, looking for anything that even remotely looks like a crab egg, and then jumping up and down as if he's found the smoking gun. And he's done this time and time again, despite being proven wrong in every instance.
It's ridiculous. It's beyond ridiculous - it's fucking ridiculous. And it's pathetic. Jim posted his HPLCs for the sole purpose of sharing the information with Meso members - 99% of whom wouldn't know the difference between an HPLC and a mass spec, let alone have the ability to read one. But everyone is an expert when they don't like the results. And the theories about went might have gone wrong run rampant. It's amazing how quickly people with no mathematical background discover distribution.
The results speak for themselves. Take 'em or leave 'em. You want a say? Open your wallets and get your own fucking HPLC. Until then, be grateful you got anything at all. You certainly got more than you'll ever get on any other forum, and you got a helluva a lot more than you're owed - which is nothing.
It's ridiculous. It's beyond ridiculous - it's fucking ridiculous. And it's pathetic. Jim posted his HPLCs for the sole purpose of sharing the information with Meso members - 99% of whom wouldn't know the difference between an HPLC and a mass spec, let alone have the ability to read one. But everyone is an expert when they don't like the results. And the theories about went might have gone wrong run rampant. It's amazing how quickly people with no mathematical background discover distribution.
The results speak for themselves. Take 'em or leave 'em. You want a say? Open your wallets and get your own fucking HPLC. Until then, be grateful you got anything at all. You certainly got more than you'll ever get on any other forum, and you got a helluva a lot more than you're owed - which is nothing.
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muscle96ss
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There already are other independent tests that show the greys at 11ius and 96-97% purity. The concentration was determined via BCA. Why would anyone believe someone elses tests who acts like this and throws a tantrum when people request more information. Why spend all this time on the tests if when you post the results and people want to better understand them, you are only going to tell them to go fuck themselves. What was the purpose of the tests anyways as Jim has already stated his dislike for generic GH as well as the Meso community. This whole scenario is perplexing.
And if that's the case, that tells me a lot about those who's "eyes are trained on me" bc I'm not willing to play along with some interlopers games.
If you or anyone else believe I should be held to a standard NO OTHER MEMBER has even remotely attempted to comply with, you need to spend a lot more time on AAS forums like PM where the bullshit MH has posted here would be promptly banned elsewhere.
But I've spent more time fielding ridiculous questions from members whose education in analytical chemistry varies from that of 6th grade to at best college level.
You want a refresher about some of the questions deemed "appropriate"?
Try these, Jim explain the numeric fractional sequence that occurred with these samples, (0.8, 1.2, 1.4 ... ect)
Jim it seems you are using an fixed algorithm based on what you believe the data should be please explain. Jim bc of the dilution the results should be doubled right?
Jim bc we are talking about "powders" the results should be multiplied by 4. Jim explain the fact this particular HPLC was used on the net (but was a MS), Jim are you aware since all the volumes used for quantification were in MLs this needed to be accounted for.
Jim explain the fact the equation you used does not work yet it does but MH didn't apply simple mathematics.to all ELEVEN SAMPLES!
It's just become absolutely absurd and NOT A DAMN SOUL would have tolerated such nonsense as long as I have.
Apparently what most people don't can't or refuse to understand is that analytical data can not prove a NEGATIVE, nothing can.
So when Bozo the Clown Meat Head walks onto this thread and the first words out of his mouth were "there is something wrong with this data", the purpose of this thread ended at that moment.
Now MH and MANDS are both harping about the significance of some damn typo and how that typo may have effected the results delivered from a TIER ONE LAB!
This is NO LONGER about the reliability, accuracy or reproducibility of the tests I've posted, but an attempt to sabotage it's usefulness to customers purchasing UGL GH from vendors especially those on PM and if people can't see that they are blind and have no damn idea how much money is at stake!
So the data is there for everyone to interpret as they deem necessary and nothing I do will alter the outcome. And why don't you and everyone else who has their "eyes on Jim" tell thes PM vendors to post their OWN DATA to compare with mine and then we could all have a meaningful discussion.
This will be my last comment about this thread, what a fucking joke it's turned into!
If you or anyone else believe I should be held to a standard NO OTHER MEMBER has even remotely attempted to comply with, you need to spend a lot more time on AAS forums like PM where the bullshit MH has posted here would be promptly banned elsewhere.
But I've spent more time fielding ridiculous questions from members whose education in analytical chemistry varies from that of 6th grade to at best college level.
You want a refresher about some of the questions deemed "appropriate"?
Try these, Jim explain the numeric fractional sequence that occurred with these samples, (0.8, 1.2, 1.4 ... ect)
Jim it seems you are using an fixed algorithm based on what you believe the data should be please explain. Jim bc of the dilution the results should be doubled right?
Jim bc we are talking about "powders" the results should be multiplied by 4. Jim explain the fact this particular HPLC was used on the net (but was a MS), Jim are you aware since all the volumes used for quantification were in MLs this needed to be accounted for.
Jim explain the fact the equation you used does not work yet it does but MH didn't apply simple mathematics.to all ELEVEN SAMPLES!
It's just become absolutely absurd and NOT A DAMN SOUL would have tolerated such nonsense as long as I have.
Apparently what most people don't can't or refuse to understand is that analytical data can not prove a NEGATIVE, nothing can.
So when Bozo the Clown Meat Head walks onto this thread and the first words out of his mouth were "there is something wrong with this data", the purpose of this thread ended at that moment.
Now MH and MANDS are both harping about the significance of some damn typo and how that typo may have effected the results delivered from a TIER ONE LAB!
This is NO LONGER about the reliability, accuracy or reproducibility of the tests I've posted, but an attempt to sabotage it's usefulness to customers purchasing UGL GH from vendors especially those on PM and if people can't see that they are blind and have no damn idea how much money is at stake!
So the data is there for everyone to interpret as they deem necessary and nothing I do will alter the outcome. And why don't you and everyone else who has their "eyes on Jim" tell thes PM vendors to post their OWN DATA to compare with mine and then we could all have a meaningful discussion.
This will be my last comment about this thread, what a fucking joke it's turned into!
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Who gives a shit? Don't like it? Go buy your own damned test.
Why are you the one that always turns GH testing threads into a shit show if you don't have an agenda? You did it in Karl's thread in order to defend results that were favorable to Karl, and now you've done it again, only this time you're attacking the results because they're unfavorable to grey tops. Why didn't you challenge Karl's results? Why didn't you go over Karl's results with the same scrutiny you've given grey tops?
Jim's pissed off and rightfully so. Where the fuck has Mands been throughout this charade? Why isn't he stepping up and defending the HPLC that was conducted by someone he calls a friend and says he trusts? Why is Mands letting you, someone who doesn't have a clue, plant doubts in his head rather than take the word of someone he trusts? I don't know what the fuck was going through Mands' mind when he involved you in this particular testing process. You'd think after the Karl debacle, he would have learned his lesson.
So what's the real story, MH? It's not like you know what you're doing here. You're objections might sound credible to the uneducated, but to anybody else they just sound silly. So why turn the thread into a shit show by objecting to something you're not qualified to object to unless you have an agenda? What was the purpose of the shit show?
And for anybody who wonders why Scally just posts studies without providing an explanation, or why he hasn't engaged in any discussions about the "10X rule" despite being tagged in multiple times, the above is the reason.
You sure about that CBS?
Again a statement you've made with out all the info.
mands
Why the fuck didn't I receive all the info I was promised on the original go around with Karl's gh and why was not given all the info on the this go around either. Hell I spent money on overnight shipping on all the samples I sent and there are two samples I sent overnight that still haven't been tested.
Again talking about things you are clueless about.
mands
muscle96ss
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A typo? You've got to be kidding me. A typo is when I spell "ball" as "balt", not when I spell "AS1625-2" as "who the fuck knows because I am hiding that information because I am a fucking assclown who thinks that I am too good for everyone and nobody needs to know".
muscle96ss
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Why are you even involved in this CBS, you don't take GH, you don't give a shit about generic GH, and you don't like the online community? And here you go again bringing Karl into the equation. Its funny, you say I can't stop talking about Karl, but every fucking post from you and Jim have something about Karl in it. And lastly, the fact that you don't understand my objections or think they are uneducated either means that you are totally ignorant or you are in denial. Even a high-school student could read this thread and understand my concerns. You don't have to be a fucking chemist to understand the basis for ANY of my questions. In addition, its not like the questions I am asking are anything difficult. You would think that answering these questions was some impossible feat for you by the way you are acting. Why do you guys have to make such a damn production of it. You could have answered the questions 100 times over by now. You remind of my 7 y/o daughter who always likes to do things the hard way because her brain isn't developed enough yet to understand. I am patient with her because she doesn't know better. You guys, on the other hands, sure as hell do know better. There is something fishy about all this evasion. There is definitely something more at stake here that we don't know about. There is no other explanation for it other than you guys being mentally ill.
muscle96ss
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Oh and one more thing, I didn't turn this thread into a shit show. You guys did with your lack of being able to have a simple discussion about anything and constant evasion. Every question asked gets deflected with some personal attack and never gets answered. You accuse PM of being a scammer board. Well at least we can have adult-like conversations there on scientific matter without someone pulling an ego-trip and going apeshit.
Send me an address an I gladly return your samples,
As far as expenditures are concerned do you really want to compare the differences.
Oh come on, forward the communication where I PROMISED you anything, except to deliver accurate data and that is what has been posted. Should your opinion differ so be it.
There is one person to blame for the difficulties we have had with GH analyses and with deference MANDS it's NOT CBS.
Goodness it's a damn shame you don't see why this has happened again bc we could have accomplished so much more working TOGETHER absent the unnecessary and unwanted intercession on behalf of MH.
(Nonetheless I will post the Humatrope standard as PROMISED but that data is one year old and likely encompasses 20 pages)
As far as expenditures are concerned do you really want to compare the differences.
Oh come on, forward the communication where I PROMISED you anything, except to deliver accurate data and that is what has been posted. Should your opinion differ so be it.
There is one person to blame for the difficulties we have had with GH analyses and with deference MANDS it's NOT CBS.
Goodness it's a damn shame you don't see why this has happened again bc we could have accomplished so much more working TOGETHER absent the unnecessary and unwanted intercession on behalf of MH.
(Nonetheless I will post the Humatrope standard as PROMISED but that data is one year old and likely encompasses 20 pages)
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I don't know why you two (Mands/ Dr Jim) are airing all this in the open. It's obviously not conducive to getting anything resolved, nor is it building any bridges.
IMHO, take it back behind the scenes where it started, figure out all the differences you're having and decide on a proposition you both can be happy with (I know, I know, this MESO, keep it in the open).
I enjoy the debates here at MESO, but this one started off with great info and went down the shitter (not one person's fault) fast. This volley of posts at one another is only creating animosity and pushing you two farther from your original goal. This is what kids do, not men.
I don't give a shit about the money Jim and I know what you have spent and wasn't comparing. Why the hell would you even think that? God damn I've seen the invoices.
I just hate the fact that CBS makes statements without having all the information. That's it.
Not trying to start shit with you and I've always backed you telling everyone on this board you have no agenda.
mands
True.
@Dr JIM, I pm'd mands about you after we discussed the possibility of testing some gh. I asked Mands if you could be trusted and he assured me that you were a stand up guy.
Jim, this thread took a bad turn and became personal when it shouldn't have. You seem to care way too much what people think. I don't think that anyone has questioned your effort, time or investment during this testing venture. So why not just put it all out there and letting members decide what they want to believe and accept.
As far as I'm concerned this thread hasn't changed how I feel about gh. Pharma is the best and I will use it whenever my finances allow it. Generics will always be a gamble that may or may not payoff. Not unlike 9-7 off in the small blind.
muscle96ss
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Jim, you have accused me of being untrustworthy and a shill. You have called me a drug dealer, stated that you have answered my questions, and stated that my questions are irrelevant as well. If any of this were true, how could I alone possibly derail this thread? Why would anyone believe me?
The fact is that most of the people reading this thread would love to believe what you have given us. However they have the same questions and concerns that I have. So the reason this thread got derailed is clearly because of the evasion and deflection of those questions necessary to give the tests meaning. Had you guys simply been capable of having an adult-like discussion/debate over the data and facts, then none of this shit show would have ensued. Instead nothing is answered and the responses are only personal attacks or excuses to try to invalidate and deflect the pertinent questions that we all want answers to. Why someone of reasonable intelligence would choose to conduct themselves in this manner and dodge any meaningful conversation only makes things seem more suspicious. If you had logical answers that would clearly support your data/theories then why would you not present the information? You could very easily have shut me up by simply answering my questions and proving me wrong. However your responses are what has guided this thread into the gutter. So please don't accuse me of derailing the thread. I came here to debate a highly controversial topic and lend some experience and real world knowledge to the discussion. Thus far you have neglected to engage me in any sort of meaningful discussion. Therefore the derailment of this thread clearly lays on your shoulders.
So, lastly, please don't make this personal with people such as mands who are looking for more information. They are not here to doubt you, they are simply being educated and wanting the full disclosure of the data so they can make their own conclusions when added to what they already know. When information one receives is contradictory to other information that is already present, those that are educated want to further analyze things so that it all makes sense. Whats wrong with that? Shouldn't that be encouraged? Why does it have to be personal?
Colt44
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Alright guys, as promised. I was running "6iu" to account for a 50% concentration, as Jim had reported to me. So using those figures, I was pinning 3iu a day and tested on the 28th day around 4:20 pm.
Let the shit show resume
1st image is baseline
Let the shit show resume
1st image is baseline
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Wow, great numbers! What brand?
Genotropin.
Looks
Like jim got something wrong there. Because that Looks like an igf of 6 IU
100 ng * IU it's the average usually.
Looks
Like jim got something wrong there. Because that Looks like an igf of 6 IU
100 ng * IU it's the average usually.
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