Are you running Genotropin? Those numbers are very nice!
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Thank you for posting as always.
Colt44
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Yeah Genos from a UGL. They were from Astro when he was still around.
I found your other thread after I posted that question. Thanks.
muscle96ss
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Just like I figured, your genotropin is most likely accurately dosed. I also have a surprise I will be posting later when I have time. I did a serum GH test on friday and decided to do an IGF-1 as well. The IGF-1 was on the grey tops and THE SAME KIT that the vial that was said to contain 4iu came from. My score was 352, which is right around the range it normally is for me on 4iu(I have posted my list of other results earlier in this thread if anyone wants to compare. I will post the scan later with more details, I just got the report a few minutes ago. Anyway, that score would be impossible if the greys were not accurately dosed.
Colt44
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Not really a surprise if you tell us.
muscle96ss
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Ok guys, on friday, I did a serum GH test for a sponsor on another board(not PM and not of the greys). I have been running the grey tops since July 6th when I switched over from using a blue top generic that I had been using for probably a couple of months. The kit I started on the July 6th was the same kit that contained the vial used for Jim's testing. The reason I know this to be the same kit is that it only contained 7 vials, since 3 of them had been used already for testing purposes. So when I switched to the greys, I chose that kit first as it was my only incomplete kit. On July 23rd I finished that kit and started another kit that was older, as I number my kits to keep track of when I got them and use up the olderst first. Anyway, I decided that when I did my serum on friday, I might as well do an IGF-1 as well. Attached is the scan from the lab and the result of 352. This is right around my average on 4iu based on all my previous results(a little higher than some and a little lower than others); and that includes pharm GH. To me, this only solidifies my concern that there is no way that the vial Jim tested contained 4ius. I also posted my serum test from this kit earlier in the thread.
Now that Colt and I have both posted our IGF-1's that tend to contradict what the lab reports concluded, all we can do is sit and wait for Jim to follow through on his promise to post the standard. No reason to start a shit storm with personal attacks in the meantime. If someone want to discuss these tests or something pertinent in adult-like manner then please feel free.
Now that Colt and I have both posted our IGF-1's that tend to contradict what the lab reports concluded, all we can do is sit and wait for Jim to follow through on his promise to post the standard. No reason to start a shit storm with personal attacks in the meantime. If someone want to discuss these tests or something pertinent in adult-like manner then please feel free.
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Beautiful results Colt44, very impressive! Thank you for posting your results.
As stated before. Feel free to view my results but do so as a whole.Just an update to Buck's grey top GH serums, his igf-1 is also low - 132 ng/ml REFERENCE 61 - 200 ng/ml.
Buck seems to be blaming the low igf-1 of his high LFTs..
"Got IGF-1 score back from some HGH i beeen running 6 days and it should score as it did before (same batch same product same me) difference i will include full bloods. On Gear and high AST/ALT so looks like i failed to be able to IGF-1 test till this corrects....
This product should test out at around 300
I am about out the door and am looking for those Serum results as I wont be able to report untill sunday the 2nd if not now.....
Spartan This is what i am talking about if yr bloods look anything like this this COULD result in lower IGF-1 Levels
I am On 3.33 HGH P/D some Mast, NPP, Tren
XXXXXX on 3.33 IU's P/D
04/25/15 HGH Serum tested
2:17 - 13.3ng/mL
2:31 - 13.9ng/mL
2:48 - 13.5ng/mL
05/16/15 HGH Serum tested
2:33 - 15.0ng/mL
1 week on
05/22/15 - IGF-1 - 293ng/mL week 1
05/28/15 - IGF-1 - 289ng/mL week 2"
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/sponsors/118858-hgh-testing-150.html#post2160736
Just to explain as these tests are much simpler to interpret than the HPLC -ms-uv- vis that was done here.So if anyone cant get this right doubts are high they can get the others read correctly.
I have no problem xplaining the reason this test was done as all I hope is that they may be learned from.
Many times I have seen My IGF-1 levels drop while on HGH and I start a AAS cycle when liver enzymes increase.
I was checking to see if I was ready to start IGF-1 testing as I knew my AST/ALT should be slightly raised at this point but much improved from what they were b/4
So I did a normal protocol that I have done in the past from this same product from the same order from the same maker that has scored Aprox. 300 IGF-1 in the past as a test to see if I was ready to start IGF-1 testing..
I failed not the HGH I am simply premature in trying to test at this time...
Not sure exactly what is the cause of this or why. but the elevated AST/ALT I use as markers to know the IGF-1 levels may be skewed if these are elevated.
Anyone can view this long list of tests and determine this or make any conclusions they wish.
I have seen some recent IGF-1 test just come in here.
again very simple to read especially when viewed as a whole with the said individuals records of past testing...
So what exactly went wrong, Jim?
@muscle96ss, how old was Queefer? Shocking to hear of his passing.
muscle96ss
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I don't really know, I would guess upper 30's, maybe low 40's but could probably be off in either direction. Way to young to be passing away. It was a complete shocker. When I first read about it, I thought it had to be a joke; I just couldn't believe it. I think about it several times a day and wonder how its really possible. It makes you appreciate what you have and realize how quickly it can all be taken away.
Q was 44. I can Post his Obit or a link if ya like....
Yes, it is hard to believe. Queefer has been around forever and when you think of ProMuscle, he is one of the first guys you think of. It is going to be a huge loss for PM.
It is getting harder and harder to deny that high doses of AAS are at least partially responsible for these deaths. It seems someone who was way too young is dying every month or two now. I worry that it is going to get much worse. Maybe this will spur people to start reexamining their goals and AAS use. Hopefully it results in more people taking their health more seriously.
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Absolutely. It is important that people are aware, even if they they didn't know Queefer.
Colt44
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Definitely puts things into perspective.
I had 2 friends not make it past 37. 46 year old gone. 4 more with life threatening events. Things have gotten out of hand. Time to reign it back in
When the studies started showing a link between cardiovascular disease and AAS, the argument was always that they were poorly done, limited in number, etc., and people said "if the studies have it right, why aren't we seeing it in the real world?" I'm afraid we're starting to it now.
The argument I typically see is from staunch steroid supporters saying it's the media and government trying to keep the steroid fear fresh in ppl's minds.
Absolutely, the bodies and health events are indicating this to be true. I'm just one guy. I know of 7+
muscle96ss
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Something that has always been in the back of my mind, is that even without factoring all the drugs in; just the fact that some of us are walking around with that much muscle weight is really hard on the body. Q was 300lbs and on a what looks like a really small-boned frame. That alone takes a toll on the heart and other organs. Our bodies weren't designed to carry that much muscle. Then factor in the drugs and we are all at risk somewhat. Thats why I take so many damn supplements, I want to keep the inside of my body as healthy as it can be.
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