So one again, prof makes a good point, and you shoot it down with bullshit and calling him stupid. Go back to PM where everything is censored and everyone looks up to bullshit bro wcience
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muscle96ss
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I am 48 y/o, been posted numerous times. I have never made up a single lie in all the years I have been on the boards. I also have NEVER made a single dime for anything I have done on the boards or by selling/promoting drugs. I DARE YOU TO PROVE OTHERWISE!! DON'T MAKE ACCUSATIONS YOU CAN'T BACK UP!! If you are older than me, than act like it!
muscle96ss
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Name on thing my post that is bullshit; just one thing??? Don't just talk your shit, back it up!
muscle96ss
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More bullshit, talk!! Back it up!!
Another question? Who would have thought
muscle96ss
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It was a statement, not a question idiot. I get better arguments from my 7 y/o daughter. At least she makes sense and has some validity to her arguments!
muscle96ss
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Your just grasping at straws now my friend!
"medically impossible" is what the rant was by you
Bioequivalence is a term inpharmacokinetics used to assess the expected in vivobiological equivalence of two proprietary preparations of a drug. If two products are said to be bioequivalent it means that they would be expected to be, for all intents and purposes, the same.
Growth Hormone is NOT a generic
Rather a BioSimilar
IGF1 and IGFBP3
Not GH Serums
This is what is used to compare :
Innovator GH Product (Pharma)
BioSimilar/Follow-On/BioIdentical (Generic)
You cannot accurately test IGF1 by running kits on and on and on
I'm not bashing, or posturing, just offering some info
Bioequivalence is a term inpharmacokinetics used to assess the expected in vivobiological equivalence of two proprietary preparations of a drug. If two products are said to be bioequivalent it means that they would be expected to be, for all intents and purposes, the same.
Growth Hormone is NOT a generic
Rather a BioSimilar
IGF1 and IGFBP3
Not GH Serums
This is what is used to compare :
Innovator GH Product (Pharma)
BioSimilar/Follow-On/BioIdentical (Generic)
You cannot accurately test IGF1 by running kits on and on and on
I'm not bashing, or posturing, just offering some info
muscle96ss
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What is your point? Generic GH is a term used to mean that it is a generic to pharma. Pharma GH and generic GH are both biosimilar. So what?
Yip....so there you go
Jim would understand my point
The testing protocols used for BioSimilars Vs Generic Meds
Brutha....I wish you the best with your lab testing venture
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muscle96ss
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Yep, more speaking in riddles!! You are incapable of having a normal debate.
Secondly, you are missing the point. In the medical field and in the real world, physicians don't prescribe lab tests for their patients to test if their GH is real or if it is accurately dosed. They prescribe the medication and they automatically assume that the drug companies products are legit, safe, and accurately dosed. So there is no real world protocol or anything established in the medical field for what we are doing.
Its like we are going in circles here. I agree that lab testing is the only method to really know what we are getting. I agree that serum GH's and IGF-1's are crude methods. I agree that with unknown individuals an IGF-1 is more meaningful than a serum GH. We have incorporated all the tools we have to the best of our ability in the thread over at PM. We can only do so much with what he have and we have far exceeded what anybody else has done. In fact nobody else has even stepped up to the plate on consistent basis like we have. If you want things to be better, than work with us to make things better. I have invited you over on many occasions where others can interact with you in addition to me. I do not speak for PM, I am simply one voice of many. Instead you guys sit back here and isolate yourselves and talk shit about what we are talking about at PM. Get involved!!
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Let's agree
Agree to disagree
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions about the Lab
I know it can be difficult to get all that done
Any additional info I can offer to help.... I will
see....this is the best response yet.
Let's agree
Agree to disagree
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions about the Lab
I know it can be difficult to get all that done
Any additional info I can offer to help.... I will
I've read thru most of the pm thread. My honest take of it is that the guys running it aren't shills... Just members who've found a way to get overdosed gh kits cheap. The problem with the whole thing is the testing is not anonymous... Making it close to worthless. The sources could be sending them pharm grade gh for all we know... And at the very least are probably sending them overdosed generics.
They're working on moving towards lab testing which has a chance to be amazing... But I can't stress enough that it has to test product that was purchased anonymously. Only then will we see what these sources are currently selling.
They're working on moving towards lab testing which has a chance to be amazing... But I can't stress enough that it has to test product that was purchased anonymously. Only then will we see what these sources are currently selling.
I think we all need to check our egos at the door guys. And realize what we have here is simple miscommunication.
Muscle, the value that px/hr's protocol brings is what we all want. By duplicating legitimate scientific research (not broscientific), we can finally in addition with HPLC testing put to rest the discussion. Is the Chinese stuff "bioequivalent" to pharma?
Px/hr, please don't give up on helping others to duplicate this test protocol. We need all the help we can get because it is more costly and time consuming than the "PM" way.
I hope we can return to respectful discussion because I am learning a lot as well as wanting to attempt experiments of my own. I am sure many others are also lurking the thread.
I don't doubt the sincerity of the testers but I do agree that the lack of anonymity does present a problem.
I don't feel it's worthless though. I think we can agree that a 0.1 gh serum means you got bunk product.
More Helpful than a Generic Source at PM cheering 30.1 (this is recent not 100 pages back)
The point is the use of the Serum Numbers. I think Racepics has questioned them
Contains a GH Protein or Doesn't
That's bout all you get accurately with GH Serums
Once you Lab Test a Vial and compare Blood Serums to a vial from the same kit, then you'll get what I'm saying
Single or Double Digit GH Serum numbers can be deceiving as to what mg/IU is actually in the vial
Where is the Lab Test showing Glucose?
I agree with Muscle (finally)
"I agree that lab testing is the only method to really know what we are getting. I agree that serum GH's and igf-1's are crude methods. I agree that with unknown individuals an IGF-1 is more meaningful than a serum GH." -Muscle
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I agree and don't care for that either. That being said, there are several dozen source boards and they all do that. It makes no sense to single out PM or it's members because of how the board operates and what the sources do. It's a business and the sources are all paying to be there. There is one source who states an "average number" and how much higher his gh serum tested at. If the board wasn't censored, I and I'm sure a lot of others would jump all over statements like that and turn the thread into a shit show.
IMO getting upset about what's on these boards is tantamount to having a meltdown every time you see a supplement add in Flex where 300lb land monsters claim their gains were because of their sponsors protein powder.
