MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

Like I said before.....the baseline was done one day

On the second day...I injected 6IUs SubQ then had Blood Drawn 2-3+ HRs after SubQ inject
Matt used the same Protocol

So again....not 27 hrs.....but numerous test 2-3+ HRs

I don't time my testing to the Minutes/Seconds as I've seen you guys do....I'm doing IGF1s....the more important testing for bioavailability....not GH Serums that only test for bunk or GH present.
I understand,
Again I do not speak on Serums at this time only IGF-1 testing.
But be fair to me and Understand what I am saying , Now if you showed me a timestamp of yr baseline 137 @ 8:15 and a second one 260 with a time of draw @ 10:15. Then some studies that show some corroboration of what you say. We have something to further talk about. Mine i show a few baselines,and a serum that shows i am on HGH, and a IGF-1 that shows things are even less then baseline @ 1:38 . absolute no rise in IGF-1 levels @ 1:39 on 10 IU's of HGH done IM, and The studies to confirm my findings.....
Yr a scientific guy and are adamant about yr studies, this I understand. I am as well. I looked and tried to repeat yr studies and found it not true or repeatable.
At least please xplain why you are the only one that has these results. To take it a step further show some results and studies... I Have....
I think e-roids is down now I tried to go there now ..
I found this
eroids legit? | MESO-Rx Forum

Eroids - Not A Very Reliable Place For Information About Steroids Online | Bodybuilding Community Forum

Now I do not believe everything I read on the web so I take it lightly and will draw my own conclusions.. But its a poor start...

Peace
 
Ok buddy. :)

Good luck with your fund raising and testing.

I'd say to check in to see more GH Lab Analysis....but I guess all the SIMEC testing/ Toxicology Lab and Protein Analysis results are just imaginary ...the time and money spent on all the testing posted isn't real either. Oh well. You guys are funny.

All The Best
 
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Ok buddy. :)

Good luck with your fund raising and testing.

I'd say to check in to see more GH Lab Anaysis....but I guess it's all fake....the time and money spent on the testing is fake. Oh well

All The Best
Never Sir,
I said anything or suspected anything of the sort.
do not take any of this as a personal attack or to trivialize you, yr testing or yr passion for the truth and facts..
This is 1 thing we I believe share in.
Our testing will go forth side by side with 2 different forms of testing.
All I suggest is to have a open mind and do not dismiss others findings if they do not resemble yr own.. But rather recognize that if things are inconsistent and not repeatable in all subjects, then we must understand and evaluate all results as a whole and not just our own....
I did this with you and that is the only reason I tried to replicate your findings.
I will continue to seek your opinions and xpertise on all lab testing if it is welcomed.

Peace
 
Ok buddy. :)

Good luck with your fund raising and testing.

I'd say to check in to see more GH Lab Analysis....but I guess all the SIMEC testing/ Toxicology Lab and Protein Analysis results are just imaginary ...the time and money spent on all the testing posted isn't real either. Oh well. You guys are funny.

All The Best

I don't understand where you are coming from Prof X. You are a man of science. Buck has demonstrated via real scientific studies what he is saying. He has then gone beyond the scientific studies and done a protocol which you agreed to, in order to replicate your results. His results showed the EXACT same thing that the scientific studies showed; which is it takes longer than a couple of hours for your IGF-1 levels to rise significantly. You have yet to show a single shred of scientific evidence to back up your viewpoint. Why is it that you cannot post ANY scientific documentation to back up your claim that IGF-1 levels will double 2 hours post-injection? Please don't respond to this issue with anything but scientific evidence to back up your claim.
 

You guys always ask "where's the science"? When we post the science (BioSimilar is not a Generic) there's no discussion about Protein Immunogenicity with (GENERIC GH) Elevated Impurities causing Low IGF1 results. Why is that? I See quite a few posts on PM about low IGF1 going all the way back to 2014. No one ever discusses Protein Immunogenicity because they think GH is actually a Generic.

That's why I don't want to even bother sharing some of my Lab Test, Blood Work results, etc. You guys fight everything tooth n nail

Why is that?!


Now BUCK is posting about eRoids being a scam or whatever.....but he sure doesn't mind ripping off my SIMEC GH Results and posting them on PM.

It's weird how BUCK does his GH Serum testing down to the minutes/seconds yet this test he says it was an hour and 1/2. Why is that? It's like you guys don't want to accept that GH Testing Protocol is BroScience. My posting about BioSimilars show how the product must be tested. You can't determine if these Color Tops are "quality" by Blood Serums....PERIOD

YOU GUYS ARE REALLY NICE VIA PM WHEN YOU WANT INFO ABOUT LAB TESTING

I've just got to shake my head in disappointment

I'm about learning.....I'm not pushing any Color Tops


pharmacokinetics
[fahr″mah-ko-kĭ-net´iks]
the study of the movement of drugs in the body, includingthe processes of absorption, distribution, localization intissues, biotransformation, and excretion. adj., adjpharmacokinet´ic.


In statistics, the standard deviation (SD, also represented by the Greek letter sigma σ or s) is a measure that is used to quantify the amount of variation or dispersion of a set of data values.[1] A standard deviation close to 0 indicates that the data points tend to be very close to the mean (also called the expected value) of the set, while a high standard deviation indicates that the data points are spread out over a wider range of values.

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The Cmax is often measured in an effort to show bioequivalence between a generic and innovator drug product.[4] According to FDA, drug quality BA (bioavailability) and BE (bioequivalence) rely on pharmacokinetic measures such as AUC and Cmax that are reflective of systemic exposure.[5]

In pharmacology (and more specifically pharmacokinetics), absorption is the movement of a drug into the bloodstream.

In other situations, such as intravenous therapy, intramuscular injection, enteral nutrition and others, absorption is even more straightforward and there is less variability in absorption and bioavailability is often near 100%.

Bioavailability: It describes the amount of drug that is available to the body to produce a therapeutic effect.

In medicine, the clearance is a pharmacokinetic measurement of the volume of plasma that is completely cleared off of a substance per unit time. The usual units are ml/min[1]

PHARMACOKINETICS: Elimination (p.1)

Concept of (plasma) “half-life”
A time measurement, which starts when the drug reaches equilibrium

(“equilibrium” = “fully absorbed” = when equal amounts of drug are in circulation and at point of administration)

Drug metabolism/biotransformation

This mainly occurs in the liver, via liver enzymes
But it can also occur in the blood plasma or at various other places

(stomach, intestines, lungs, skin, or kidneys) directly by various

enzymes at those locations
In any case, these metabolites are then excreted/eliminated (more

easily than would the parent molecule have been) metabolites are often smaller in size, ionized



Pharmacokinetics24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33

Growth hormone is administered by IM or SC injection. Peak plasma concentrations of somatropin are reached two to six hours following administration. Approximately 20 percent of the circulating somatropin is bound to growth hormone-binding protein (IGFBP3). The plasma elimination half-life is approximately 20 to 30 minutes. Clearance of somatropin is via kidney and liver, the half-life of clearance is approximately 2 to 3 hours, the un-metabolized growth hormone excreted in urea is almost immeasurable. The absorption (CMax) of somatropin occurs 3 to 5 hours after injection metabolizing into a metabolite called insulin-like growth factor type 1 (IGF-1). Because of continued release of somatropin from the injection site, serum concentrations decline with a half-life of about three to five hours. Peak plasma concentrations of IGF-1 occur about 20 hours after administration of somatropin. Because of the slow induction and clearance of IGF-1, the effects of somatropin last much longer than its elimination half-life.

Pharmacokinetics of human growth hormone administered subcutaneously with two different injection systems.
Abstract
The bioavailability of recombinant human growth hormone (somatropin, CAS 12629-01-5) was compared between a transcutaneous jet injection device and subcutaneous cannula injection. Thirteen healthy male subjects received 8.64 IU somatropin once with jet and once with cannula injection in a randomized cross-over study. Baseline-corrected somatropin serum concentrations were evaluated with non-compartmental and compartmental methods. The 90% confidence intervals with two one-sided t-tests around the ratios of injection devices were 91-120% for maximum concentration, 94-110% for area-under-curve until 14 h, and 92-103% for area-under-curve to infinity. Somatropin has a known metabolic half-life of ca. 20-30 min while the observed terminal half-lives were 2-4 h. Absorption and elimination rate constants were similar. Times of maximum concentrations, terminal half-lives and lag times to start of absorption appeared to be shorter and the absorption rate constant appeared to be larger for jet than for cannula injection. In conclusion, the kinetics of somatropin from subcutaneous tissue had a "flip-flop" characteristic. Bioavailability of somatropin after jet injection was equivalent to cannula injection.

IGF-1 test

The level of IGF-1 hormone and HGH in the body are tightly correlated. Injecting growth hormone will raise a person's IGF-1 levels as well. Elevated IGF-1 levels are thus a good indicator of authentic HGH. The IGF-1 test is performed by having your blood tested for IGF1 prior to injecting growth hormone. Afterwards, take 4IU of HGH and 3 hours later have the same IGF1 blood serum test repeated. If your product is real the 2nd result should show a drastic increase in serum level.

THE POINT OF THE FOLLOWING BLOOD WORK WAS TO SHOW THAT THESE GENERIC GH SOURCES WERE SPEWING BROSCIENCE ABOUT THE ELEVATION OF IGF1 AND PROMOTING GH SERUMS AS A WAY TO SHOW "OVERDOSED" OR "QUALITY"

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6IUS SubQ...Blood taken approx. 3HRs after Inject
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540 ng/mL after 3 SubQ injects of 6IUs

All of the blood work was done using Pharma products or "Generics" that were tested at an accredited lab first.

There's no agenda.....just showing that IGF1 DOESNT TAKE FOUR WEEKS TO ELEVATE

El FINi
 

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You guys always ask "where's the science"? When we post the science (BioSimilar is not a Generic) there's no discussion about Protein Immunogenicity with (GENERIC GH) Elevated Impurities causing Low IGF1 results. Why is that? That's why I don't want to even bother sharing some of my Lab Test, Blood Work results, etc. You guys fight everything tooth n nail

Why is that?!


Now BUCK is posting about eRoids being a scam or whatever.....but he sure doesn't mind ripping off my SIMEC GH Results and posting them on PM.

It's weird how BUCK does his GH Serum testing down to the minutes/seconds yet this test he says it was an hour and 1/2. Why is that? It's like you guys don't want to accept that GH Testing Protocol is BroScience. My posting about BioSimilars show how the product must be tested. You can't determine if these Color Tops are "quality" by Blood Serums....PERIOD

YOU GUYS ARE REALLY NICE VIA PM WHEN YOU WANT INFO ABOUT LAB TESTING

I've just got to shake my head in disappointment

I'm about learning.....I'm not pushing any Color Tops


pharmacokinetics
[fahr″mah-ko-kĭ-net´iks]
the study of the movement of drugs in the body, includingthe processes of absorption, distribution, localization intissues, biotransformation, and excretion. adj., adjpharmacokinet´ic.


In statistics, the standard deviation (SD, also represented by the Greek letter sigma σ or s) is a measure that is used to quantify the amount of variation or dispersion of a set of data values.[1] A standard deviation close to 0 indicates that the data points tend to be very close to the mean (also called the expected value) of the set, while a high standard deviation indicates that the data points are spread out over a wider range of values.

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The Cmax is often measured in an effort to show bioequivalence between a generic and innovator drug product.[4] According to FDA, drug quality BA (bioavailability) and BE (bioequivalence) rely on pharmacokinetic measures such as AUC and Cmax that are reflective of systemic exposure.[5]

In pharmacology (and more specifically pharmacokinetics), absorption is the movement of a drug into the bloodstream.

In other situations, such as intravenous therapy, intramuscular injection, enteral nutrition and others, absorption is even more straightforward and there is less variability in absorption and bioavailability is often near 100%.

Bioavailability: It describes the amount of drug that is available to the body to produce a therapeutic effect.

In medicine, the clearance is a pharmacokinetic measurement of the volume of plasma that is completely cleared off of a substance per unit time. The usual units are ml/min[1]

PHARMACOKINETICS: Elimination (p.1)

Concept of (plasma) “half-life”
A time measurement, which starts when the drug reaches equilibrium

(“equilibrium” = “fully absorbed” = when equal amounts of drug are in circulation and at point of administration)

Drug metabolism/biotransformation

This mainly occurs in the liver, via liver enzymes
But it can also occur in the blood plasma or at various other places

(stomach, intestines, lungs, skin, or kidneys) directly by various

enzymes at those locations
In any case, these metabolites are then excreted/eliminated (more

easily than would the parent molecule have been) metabolites are often smaller in size, ionized



Pharmacokinetics24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33

Growth hormone is administered by IM or SC injection. Peak plasma concentrations of somatropin are reached two to six hours following administration. Approximately 20 percent of the circulating somatropin is bound to growth hormone-binding protein (IGFBP3). The plasma elimination half-life is approximately 20 to 30 minutes. Clearance of somatropin is via kidney and liver, the half-life of clearance is approximately 2 to 3 hours, the un-metabolized growth hormone excreted in urea is almost immeasurable. The absorption (CMax) of somatropin occurs 3 to 5 hours after injection metabolizing into a metabolite called insulin-like growth factor type 1 (IGF-1). Because of continued release of somatropin from the injection site, serum concentrations decline with a half-life of about three to five hours. Peak plasma concentrations of IGF-1 occur about 20 hours after administration of somatropin. Because of the slow induction and clearance of IGF-1, the effects of somatropin last much longer than its elimination half-life.

Pharmacokinetics of human growth hormone administered subcutaneously with two different injection systems.
Abstract
The bioavailability of recombinant human growth hormone (somatropin, CAS 12629-01-5) was compared between a transcutaneous jet injection device and subcutaneous cannula injection. Thirteen healthy male subjects received 8.64 IU somatropin once with jet and once with cannula injection in a randomized cross-over study. Baseline-corrected somatropin serum concentrations were evaluated with non-compartmental and compartmental methods. The 90% confidence intervals with two one-sided t-tests around the ratios of injection devices were 91-120% for maximum concentration, 94-110% for area-under-curve until 14 h, and 92-103% for area-under-curve to infinity. Somatropin has a known metabolic half-life of ca. 20-30 min while the observed terminal half-lives were 2-4 h. Absorption and elimination rate constants were similar. Times of maximum concentrations, terminal half-lives and lag times to start of absorption appeared to be shorter and the absorption rate constant appeared to be larger for jet than for cannula injection. In conclusion, the kinetics of somatropin from subcutaneous tissue had a "flip-flop" characteristic. Bioavailability of somatropin after jet injection was equivalent to cannula injection.

IGF-1 test

The level of IGF-1 hormone and HGH in the body are tightly correlated. Injecting growth hormone will raise a person's IGF-1 levels as well. Elevated IGF-1 levels are thus a good indicator of authentic HGH. The IGF-1 test is performed by having your blood tested for IGF1 prior to injecting growth hormone. Afterwards, take 4IU of HGH and 3 hours later have the same IGF1 blood serum test repeated. If your product is real the 2nd result should show a drastic increase in serum level.

THE POINT OF THE FOLLOWING BLOOD WORK WAS TO SHOW THAT THESE GENERIC GH SOURCES WERE SPEWING BROSCIENCE ABOUT THE ELEVATION OF IGF1
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6IUS SubQ...Blood taken approx. 3HRs after Inject
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540 ng/mL after 3 SubQ injects of 6IUs

All of the blood work was done using Pharma products or "Generics" that were tested at an accredited lab first.

There's no agenda.....just showing that IGF1 DOESNT TAKE FOUR WEEKS TO ELEVATE

Prof X: What you just posted even states that peak IGF-1 levels don't occur until 20 hours post-injection. It also states that it takes 3-5 hours following injection before the liver starts to manufacture IGF-1. So based on the science that you just posted; how is it possible that IGF-1 levels will double 2 hours post injection? Come on, the liver hasn't even had a chance to start to manufacture IGF-1 at this point.

Nobody here said that IGF-1 takes four weeks to elevate; we have seen it elevate much faster in our own testing. In your reply you keep going on and on about different topics that we have debated ad nauseam already and have nothing to do with the recent blood work that buck did. The sole purpose of buck replicating your experiment was to prove that IGF-1 levels do not rise that quickly in 2 hours(or to be proven wrong and see that they do rise). Him and I were correct based on the science that we have posted along with buck's blood work. I asked that you provide some science that supports your claims of this initial rise of IGF-1 in 2 hours. You instead posted science that even further supports our claims. So I am not sure why you are continuing to argue and state that IGF-1 levels will double in 2 hours. Can you now finally admit that it takes longer than that?
 
No....Buck doesn't know because he failed to do the test properly


I've elevated in 2 hours....but that's irrelevant.....with blood serum it's called (SD) Standard Deviation. You're not understanding anything I've posted.

But again....it's always a fight....2 hours....3 hours...Buck said his GH Serum "peak" was 2.3 Hours...over 2 hours...not 1.3. Just like the fight with "doubling IGF1". AGAIN....another fight.

Normal protocol would be to pull blood 3.5 + hours to elevate IGF1 and compare to baseline

That's it....just like I've done numerous times with tested Generic and Pharma

Why is it such a fight with both of you? It's alway prove me wrong type of responses

There is no reason for it.

Take a deep breath....step back...and realize someone is sharing some legit info with you.

Bottom line.....IGF1 elevates quickly.....I banged my head with a source the same way I'm doing with you......he tested .....and you know what....I was right.


But with you two fellas....it's been:

GH Serum
Generic GH Protein Impurities
IGF1 elevation

It goes on and on and on

It never ends......but Hey....post up my SIMEC GH Results anytime brutha.
 
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No....Buck doesn't know because he failed to do the test properly

I've elevated in 2 hours....but that's irrelevant.....with blood serum it's called (SD) Standard Deviation. You're not understanding anything I've posted.

But again....it's always a fight....2 hours....3 hours...Buck said his GH Serum "peak" was 2.3 Hours...over 2 hours. Just like the fight with "doubling IGF1". AGAIN....another fight.

Normal protocol would be to pull blood 3.5 + hours to elevate IGF1 and compare to baseline

That's it....just like I've done numerous times with tested Generic and Pharma

Why is it such a fight with both of you? It's alway prove me wrong type of responses

There is no reason for it.

Take a deep breath....step back...and realize someone is sharing some legit info with you.

This is too funny; you and buck agreed on a protocol before he even did the testing. Go back a few pages where you guys discussed it. He was afraid that after he did the test you would come back and say he did something wrong; so thats why he made sure the protocol was agreed upon. Then you still come on here and say that he did it wrong; what a joke. And then in support of your argument you post some science that says exactly what both buck and I have been saying about it taking much longer than just 2 hours to elevate IGF-1 significantly. But you are still sticking to your story and buck did the protocol wrong, lol, what a joke!
 
This is too funny; you and buck agreed on a protocol before he even did the testing. Go back a few pages where you guys discussed it. He was afraid that after he did the test you would come back and say he did something wrong; so thats why he made sure the protocol was agreed upon. Then you still come on here and say that he did it wrong; what a joke. And then in support of your argument you post some science that says exactly what both buck and I have been saying about it taking much longer than just 2 hours to elevate IGF-1 significantly. But you are still sticking to your story and buck did the protocol wrong, lol, what a joke!

The normal GH Serum protocol is 3.5 Hrs

He mentioned something about 2 Hrs 15-35mins (I don't recall)

He did 1hr 32min ?

Maybe the red tops have an issue? I dunno

If this was a GH Serum test on PM you would say the testing protocol was flawed

I use Pharma and tested generics

But again.....it's splitting hairs with Blood Serum (SD) Standard Diviation

But again, some petty arguments.....this is the results I've done with the info I've read about Bioequivalence between Innovator/BioSimilar

It's funny how you guys spend sooooooo much time trying to debunk IGF1 and GH Serum info someone else posts. Someone that has done lots of with Lab Analysis to compare.

My IGF1 testing is legit. A Generic source replicated it also. Why Bucks didn't elevate in 1 HR and 30min.....I dunno homie. pharmacokinetics states different.

Learning is better than trying to point out a 30min delay in testing when this is blood serum (SD)
If it's 3 hours or 5 hours....the point is not waiting several weeks to do IGF1

That is how the argument went many pages back

So the reality is IGF1 elevates quicker than what you thought.
 
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The normal GH Serum protocol is 3.5 Hrs

He mentioned something about 2 Hrs 15-35mins (I don't recall)

He did 1hr 32min ?

Maybe the red tops have an issue? I dunno

If this was a GH Serum test on PM you would say the testing protocol was flawed

I use Pharma and tested generics

But again.....it's splitting hairs with Blood Serum (SD) Standard Diviation

But again, some petty arguments.....this is the results I've done with the info I've read about Bioequivalence between Innovator/BioSimilar

It's funny how you guys spend sooooooo much time trying to debunk IGF1 and GH Serum info someone else posts. Someone that has done lots of with Lab Analysis to compare.

My IGF1 testing is legit. A Generic source replicated it also. Why Bucks didn't elevate in 1 HR and 30min.....I dunno homie. pharmacokinetics states different.

Learning is better than trying to point out a 30min delay in testing when this is blood serum (SD)
If it's 3 hours or 5 hours....the point is not waiting several weeks to do IGF1

That is how the argument went many pages back

So the reality is IGF1 elevates quicker than what you thought.

Perhaps you should go back to the bottom of page 72 and the top of page 73 and reread your posts and the discussion. We are not talking about a serum GH protocol; we are talking specifically and ONLY on the point you continue to bring up that you can double your IGF-1 in 2 hours with 1 subq injection of 5iu's. You challenged buck and he stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge and you agreed to the terms; and you embraced his openness and willingness to experiment. I feel bad that he wasted his time and money in attempting to replicate what you supposedly have done, only to have it thrown back in his face like this.
 
LMAO!!! Mr Dume Ars!

Jesus Christ Bro!!!!

I hope everyone sees....your tactics......focus on the minutes, hours....OH YOU CHALLANGED BUCK THAT CAN BARELY AFFORD AN IGF1 test....


Maybe the issue is the RED ROUSKI....HUH?

You test it?

Is it less than 4% "impurities" or "other proteins"

Honestly, I'm sure it's ok...I think it's the timing...he went too soon...but

It's always something brutha....it always will be it seems

WHY IS THAT???

You can't knock my lab test because they are done by accredited lab

HELL, BUCK STOLE MY RESULTS AND POSTED THEM ON PM.

TOOK THEM RIGHT OFF OF EROIDS THAT HE SAID WAS QUESTIONABLE

You guys are amazing
 
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LMAO!!! Mr Dume Ars!

Jesus Christ Bro!!!!

I hope everyone sees....your tactics......focus on the minutes, hours....OH YOU CHALLANGED BUCK THAT CAN BARELY AFFORD AN IGF1 test....


Maybe the issue is the RED ROUSKI....HUH?

You test it?

Is it less than 4% "impurities" or "other proteins"

Honestly, I'm sure it's ok...I think it's the timing...he went too soon...but

It's always something brutha....it always will be it seems

WHY IS THAT???

You can't knock my lab test because they are done by accredited lab

HELL, BUCK STOLE MY RESULTS AND POSTED THEM ON PM.

TOOK THEM RIGHT OFF OF EROIDS THAT HE SAID WAS QUESTIONABLE

You guys are amazing

Dude are you fucking high? Having difficulties with reading comprehension? I didn't challenge buck idiot, you did? You guys agreed to the conditions. I tried to talk him out of it because I knew it would turn out like this. What a fucking joke!!!

Oh, and lastly, how did buck steal your results? What are you even talking about?
 
HIGH LIKE MY IGF1 FROM LEGIT PHARMA GH

"generic" GH.......Protein Immunogenicity????? Low IGF1? Thoughts? Lol

Dude....honestly....I'm done here

Anyone wanting to see some real Lab Results on samples that both Members and Sources have sent in for learning purposes and not pushing a color top....

Feel free to check out the "questionable" forum that Buck copy and pasted my SIMEC results from and posted on PM

So I guess my Lab Test are ok.....but everything else is questionable.

I'm going out with JIM, MANDS......I AM OUTTA HERE!
 
HIGH LIKE MY IGF1 FROM LEGIT PHARMA GH

"generic" GH.......Protein Immunogenicity????? Low IGF1? Thoughts? Lol

Dude....honestly....I'm done here

Anyone wanting to see some real Lab Results on samples that both Members and Sources have sent in for learning purposes and not pushing a color top....

Feel free to check out the "questionable" forum that Buck copy and pasted my SIMEC results from and posted on PM

So I guess my Lab Test are ok.....but everything else is questionable.

I'm going out with JIM, MANDS......I AM OUTTA HERE!

Wow, talking about being ignorant and taking things out of context. If you read the fucking thread, you would know that the reason buck posted a copy of a Simec "quantity" test and a copy of a Simec "purity" test was because people wanted to know what type of format the results from Simec would look like. I asked Matthias for a sample copy of results so we could see what we were getting and have full disclosure of what we were purchasing. He was unable to provide us with a sample of a previous test, so buck posted some samples he found on another board so people could see what they look like(I highly doubt he even knew they were yours as you don't even go by Prof X on eroids). How you turned that around and interpreted it as if he is stealing your results because there is something special about your results is beyond me. Even a young child in grade school could understand this. I don't know what is going on with you today, but your posts are beyond idiotic and I have a hard time believing that you are this stupid and not doing this intentionally.
 
Just a few things Pro X,
My communication skills are lackin I will admit that sorry if there was ever a failure there. Our conversations PM or here I dont believe were ever anything but polite and respectful.
I care not to argue with you.
I will point out our discussions and what transpired in the recent weeks.
I never said Eroids was a scam I said I will judge for myself.
The recent test I did was 1 hour 39 mins. post 10 iu injection.
I could have sold ya any time I wanted, I prefer to tell the truth. I was a little early as I was at work and pushed it to be done, no patients in the lab. In our discussions we agreed double IGF-1 scores @ 2 hours post 5 iu sq injection I xagerated this protocol to remove all doubt. I did a Serum the sametime to show I was on something that elevated Serum levels. I posted IGF-1 levels on the same product to show that The product raises IGF-1 levels like HGH.I can show this again as I am on the same product and ahve not been off since I started and will do a IGF-1 on friday.My baseline i thought was bottomed at 160 or so 5 days off and 11 days off.
You must admit even with my test done @ 1 hour 39 mins. that some elevation in IGF-1 should have occurred. IT DID NOT in fact the level was taken and it was 125. Lower then what I thought was my base... so @ 1 hour 39 mins. post injection absolutely No ( ZERO) conversion has taken place Not a little not 50% not double, I repeat Zero!!!
So if I was premature in my draw (20 mins)I would think and I hope you would agree there should have been some elevation as I did twice what you suggested.
If our discussion was how long it takes for saturation the talk I am in agreement and my graph backs this up that 4 weeks is not necessary. that was never our discussion.
If you want to say I blew the test by being 20 mins premature I dont agree but can accept this.
To clear a few more points If I stole yr results I will admit to that I took them to show what a simec report looked like as I have and many have never seen one. I googled it and found 2 reports ( results) I had no idea they were yrs. In fact they were.
My HGH Serum levels peak in 2:15 or so but this is unrelated to IGF-1 levels that we were talkin about.
I did this test Never to fight or prove anyone wrong but just to find the True results which is supported by what I researched and posted. I test to learn and share what was learned.
So I did a test that you proposed 4 in fact. ( 3 IGF-1, and a serum)
so to be fair I will propose a test for you.
Show me and post a Baseline IGF-1 score. show and post a second one 2 hours later (Timestamps of course with dates..) that shows double the score or a substantial raise. Then we can discuss theories why the 2 are different. junk HGH vs. pharma, the Professor is a freak, Buck is a freak. ect.ect.
So I will quote what you have told Me as the door must swing both ways.
"Take a deep breath....step back...and realize someone is sharing some legit info with you." and I will add there are scientific studys that I post that corroborate this.
Hopefully what ever way this goes , a mutual respect and conversation and more note comparing can take place as I take no bad blood from this (pun intendedo_O)

Peace
 
A lot of good info here. Seems to be a couple with reading comprehension skills of a toddler but I hope it doesn't detract from the enormous amount of quality takeaways. I've got some Seros I'm gonna run for a couple weeks and test IGF-1 against the "underdosed" Geno labs I posted. Hopefully it will shed some positive data to the discussion in regards to IGF testing.
 
Dido heady ! I always leave here more confused. But that's because I'm a complete noob in the Gh world :oops:

I cannot decide if smoking more or less pot helps the situation? Or even more or less hgh for that matter! Is there Cliff Notes for this thread? Cheat sheet?
 
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