Marriage / Monogamy on testosterone/gear/trt

[Sweetpotatofries]

Hello juicy folks!

Before I started testosterone (+more) I was in a 4 year monogamous relationship, nothing wrong with her but after a couple years I felt like crap, definitely had low test bla bla. Eventually it ends, I feel happier, progress in the gym speeds up, skip forward a year and end up on gear.

Recently I read a study that shows a decline in testosterone in men in commited relationships Multiple partners are associated with higher testosterone in North American men and women - PubMed (there was also one that says it happens after a year specifically, but I can't find it right now) imo this could explain things like dad bods, lessened attraction to your partner, etc.


This would obviously not effect men on exogenous test.

So my question is, if you have experienced long term monogamy both with natural testosterone and exogenous, have you noticed a difference in sustainability of attraction to your partner? Or are you more tempted to cheat than with natty test?

Just curious if this is a way to cheat the system lol. I like the idea of monogamy but always lost the attraction after a while, even if I didn't want it to fade.

 

[Canine]

I like the idea of monogamy but always lost the attraction after a while

Haven't found the right one yet chief.

Also most of these are association studies (correlational) which have no implication of direction of causality. Meaning that there is only an association between the two, not that one explicitly causes the other. Now it may be that relationships cause lower testosterone levels, or it could be the other way around, that people with lower testosterone levels are more likely to engage in long term monogamous relationships and people with higher levels are more likely to sleep around (the more likely cause). Countless other studies I've read on human sexuality and testosterone levels seem to show that higher T levels are most likely the cause of increased promiscuity, meaning greater amounts of sexual activity, and levels of cheating.

So I sincerely doubt your relationship was causing you lower T levels, if anything it was the decreasing quality of the relationship or other lifestyle factors that led to you having the feeling of "low T"

 

[Sweetpotatofries]

Haven't found the right one yet chief.

Also most of these are association studies (correlational) which have no implication of direction of causality. Meaning that there is only an association between the two, not that one explicitly causes the other. Now it may be that relationships cause lower testosterone levels, or it could be the other way around, that people with lower testosterone levels are more likely to engage in long term monogamous relationships and people with higher levels are more likely to sleep around (the more likely cause). Countless other studies I've read on human sexuality and testosterone levels seem to show that higher T levels are most likely the cause of increased promiscuity, meaning greater amounts of sexual activity, and levels of cheating.

So I sincerely doubt your relationship was causing you lower T levels, if anything it was the decreasing quality of the relationship or other lifestyle factors that led to you having the feeling of "low T"

Here's a 10 year study that shows the change a little better Influence of marital status on testosterone levels–A ten year follow-up of 1113 men

We also know that dopamine raises test, so even without that study I don't think it's absurd to say a relationship that doesn't produce as much dopamine because it's gone on for a few years would lead to less testosterone being produced than a relationship that's brand new and still super exciting. Even if your partner is perfect there's no sex that produces more dopamine than early relationship sex.

Biologically it makes perfect sense too, our genes want us to reproduce as much as possible with as many women as possible, and men who do are rewarded with increased testosterone, whereas men who don't aren't.

So with all due respect even assuming you disagree with everything I just said I'm still hoping for some anecdotes from anyone who's on exogenous test and married / long term moreso than I want to discuss the studies themselves.

 

[Canine]

Here's a 10 year study that shows the change a little better Influence of marital status on testosterone levels–A ten year follow-up of 1113 men

Just read through it, again, the researchers made some serious claims there insinuating that again there is a direction of causality. All men experienced decline with age, divorced men slightly less than married men, and about the same as non married men. Again stemming from my earlier mentioning, that higher T levels are most likley the cause of increaed promiscuity, and countless studies on human sexuality have shown this. If you have higher T levels, and as a result are more likely to cheat, you're probably more likely to get a divorce. The only thing the data shows is that men who had a divorce experienced lower levels of age related testosterone decline. Whoever wrote the "highlights" for this study, clearly did not read through it, or look at the data.

 

[All Nats McGee]

My last 2 relationships have been open. I’m starting to like it better then the traditional relationships I’ve been in.

 

[Canine]

Biologically it makes perfect sense too, our genes want us to reproduce as much as possible with as many women as possible, and men who do are rewarded with increased testosterone, whereas men who don't aren't.

Also missed this part the first time I read through. This is not at all how it works, anyone who's taken a higher level biology/genetics course can attest to this.

 

[All Nats McGee]

With the highest ranking apes in a group they def have the most sexual partners and higher testosterone levels. Their testosterone is high not because of the act of having sex with multiple partners but rather the aggression towards other males to keep their position.

 

[Sweetpotatofries]

With the highest ranking apes in a group they def have the most sexual partners and higher testosterone levels. Their testosterone is high not because of the act of having sex with multiple partners but rather the aggression towards other males to keep their position.

Ok fair we know that social factors other than sex play a role in testosterone, things like winning a fight boost it, but in humans which are capable of more in depth thought than other apes sex is more than just a pleasure response it's a huge bragging rights among men. So how would having more sex not lead to a higher social status and increased testosterone? And in reverse wouldn't sitting in a relationship while your friends, men in the media/movies, and even pornography always seem to have a new girl not make you view yourself as a lower social status than them, decreasing testosterone?

Anyways, I guess we're just debating the general hypothesis now, but if anyone's actually married & on testosterone please weigh in with your personal experience.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Test no problemo... tren, impossible

 

[All Nats McGee]

I see a lot of dad bod dweebs with money and high social status probably with borderline low test. I think in nature as mammals there is no need to raise testosterone if you have multiple woman or power. Maybe because of the increased calories that you’ll require. Now if we had to fight every girls ex boyfriend to be able sleep with them then the story might be different. Our bodies will probably respond with raising our testosterone to lower the high stress environment with the suppressed cortisol levels and increased muscle mass.

So basically if your natty and want to raise testosterone the natural way just start getting in fights and go to prison or something. Simple.

 

[OmL]

We’re all different. Some settle down and some don’t. I’ve never cheated on my wife and I can say with confidence that I never will. When my sex drive goes through the roof on like Tren or high dose of testosterone I just need to get a little more creative, so knowing what she wants makes it easier to get what I want.

 

[MFAAS]

Hello juicy folks!

Before I started testosterone (+more) I was in a 4 year monogamous relationship, nothing wrong with her but after a couple years I felt like crap, definitely had low test bla bla. Eventually it ends, I feel happier, progress in the gym speeds up, skip forward a year and end up on gear.

Recently I read a study that shows a decline in testosterone in men in commited relationships Multiple partners are associated with higher testosterone in North American men and women - PubMed (there was also one that says it happens after a year specifically, but I can't find it right now) imo this could explain things like dad bods, lessened attraction to your partner, etc.


This would obviously not effect men on exogenous test.

So my question is, if you have experienced long term monogamy both with natural testosterone and exogenous, have you noticed a difference in sustainability of attraction to your partner? Or are you more tempted to cheat than with natty test?

Just curious if this is a way to cheat the system lol. I like the idea of monogamy but always lost the attraction after a while, even if I didn't want it to fade.

I have zero problems staying monogamous on Test and steroids.

But my girl is insanely attractive, we are totally in love, and she is happy to fuck at least every other day and indulge me with lots of lingerie and pretty anal once or twice a week when I want it. If I was in a dry relationship then I'd be gone. That's why you don't get married or have kids. Among many, many other reasons.

 

[Ironman580]

I see a lot of dad bod dweebs with money and high social status probably with borderline low test. I think in nature as mammals there is no need to raise testosterone if you have multiple woman or power. Maybe because of the increased calories that you’ll require. Now if we had to fight every girls ex boyfriend to be able sleep with them then the story might be different. Our bodies will probably respond with raising our testosterone to lower the high stress environment with the suppressed cortisol levels and increased muscle mass.

So basically if your natty and want to raise testosterone the natural way just start getting in fights and go to prison or something. Simple.

That’s is the dumbest thing I have ever read

 

[Theworm]

On test I still have self control, married x 20 years, find my wife even more attractive, just get nastier on testosterone, like I wanna slide my tongue in her ass etc but she says no, in fact the word she uses is “eww”...

 

[Rido]

I see a lot of dad bod dweebs with money and high social status probably with borderline low test. I think in nature as mammals there is no need to raise testosterone if you have multiple woman or power. Maybe because of the increased calories that you’ll require. Now if we had to fight every girls ex boyfriend to be able sleep with them then the story might be different. Our bodies will probably respond with raising our testosterone to lower the high stress environment with the suppressed cortisol levels and increased muscle mass.

So basically if your natty and want to raise testosterone the natural way just start getting in fights and go to prison or something. Simple.

I hope this post isnt srs

 

[MFAAS]

On test I still have self control, married x 20 years, find my wife even more attractive, just get nastier on testosterone, like I wanna slide my tongue in her ass etc but she says no, in fact the word she uses is “eww”...

Aw damn, that is very unfortunate!

One idea: maybe she's just self conscious about possible smells? My girl cleans real well in the shower or with a wash cloth, then puts coconut oil on her whole public area. Makes the whole place smell wonderful. It's kinda weird actually if I smell coconut oil now from the jar I insantly think of sex lmfao. I also rinse myself and put coconut oil on. Might as well be fresh too.

Anyway, you gotta start with just some light licking. Like when you are going down in her. Slip your tongue onto her anus a few times, give her a gentle rimjob. Gently rub it while you're fucking (no penetretion though). You gotta work up to tongue penetration and other stuff. Otherwise she won't like it.

Source: I admin, I have an ass/anal fetish. I always have, since I first saw porn when I was in like 8th grade. No prolapse, crazy gaping stuff. Not even really ass to mouth and never ass to pussy. I just like being able to access all my girls holes. I always dated girls either big butts. I personally have converted 5 of my ex-gfs, and my current gf (who always said my dick would never fit in her ass), into actually liking anal and analingus. You gotta take it slow. Honestly I have found most girls do have the capacity to like anal if they are open minded and if the guy does it right. You reaaallly gotta be patient and go slow. Lots of lube. Lots of analingus first. I swear there's a process and technique to make it happen. I sell a book for 5 easy payments of $62.27 if you want to learn more! Guaranteed anal sex by month 5 or your money back! XD

 

[Canine]

her whole public area.

She an exhibitionist?

 

[MFAAS]

I see a lot of dad bod dweebs with money and high social status probably with borderline low test. I think in nature as mammals there is no need to raise testosterone if you have multiple woman or power. Maybe because of the increased calories that you’ll require. Now if we had to fight every girls ex boyfriend to be able sleep with them then the story might be different. Our bodies will probably respond with raising our testosterone to lower the high stress environment with the suppressed cortisol levels and increased muscle mass.

So basically if your natty and want to raise testosterone the natural way just start getting in fights and go to prison or something. Simple.

Lmfao, yeah...toootaly.

Endocrine disruptors have nothing to do with it...

Neither do horrible diets, obesity, technology use, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, or drug use...

Honestly give me one citation supporting your little hypothesis there. I have done a pretty inordinate amount of research into testosterine levels and the reasons behind low T and various population trends (real research, not just watching youtube influencers talking shit with their heads uo their ass). Your claims are pretty (very) off the walls and seem entirely based in the bioscience of a UFC fan or something lol, just IMHO.

 

[MFAAS]

She an exhibitionist?

No not at all. She just likes to be fresh for me when I go down there, and I like it too.

As for the lingerie, I have bought her a nice little collection of outfits (or commandeered some of her clothes like denim mini skirts or Jean shorts which I cut a hole in so she can wear them during sex) and I pick out an outfit for her to wear most of the time we have sex. Then she is looking how I want and everyone is happy! Lol

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I see a lot of dad bod dweebs with money and high social status probably with borderline low test. I think in nature as mammals there is no need to raise testosterone if you have multiple woman or power. Maybe because of the increased calories that you’ll require. Now if we had to fight every girls ex boyfriend to be able sleep with them then the story might be different. Our bodies will probably respond with raising our testosterone to lower the high stress environment with the suppressed cortisol levels and increased muscle mass.

So basically if your natty and want to raise testosterone the natural way just start getting in fights and go to prison or something. Simple.

You could also they may not have low testosterone at all. Higher social classsed men with money, success etc. have been found to have higher levels of testosterone and actually preform worse in lower level status positions.

I read a couple studies on that. I’d link if I was on my PC. But higher test = higher aggression to life in my understand. I doubt some soy boy with low test will be hyper active in pursuing power and class to the highest degree. It just makes sense that the driven and egotistical men rise and fuck everything in their path.


Interesting stuff. I also believe it because I see countless guys on here running their own businesses and destroying life in a good way. They’re doing awesome. Just so happens their hormones are jacked to the ceiling.