Mast E vs Mast P brewing

[Gemini Bandit]

Hey All

Self confessed noob here, just getting into brewing and really starting to enjoy it, I have done a hand full of sample/test brews already with success, Primo, Test P and Tren A all at 100mg/ml with a pretty standard 2/20 with MCT, just small 20-40ml brews and I will play around with my BA and BB as I learn.

I am having some trouble with what is supposed to be Mast E, 2/20 @ 200mg/ML I had to take it to over 75-80deg C to get rid of the lump (yes it was clumply not just cloudy) got it all looking good then it was a bitch to get through the syringe filter (far worse than normal) then within an hour 2 of the 4 vials has crashed at room temp (30deg c), reheated vials to 95deg shook them up and seemed ok. over the weekend they started crashing at room temp again.

Test 2 with the Mast : 3/22 MCT, 180mg/ml brought it up to 95deg C for 5mins then let temp drop back with the stirrer on for 35-40 mins. all seemed good and then went away for 4 days and tiny crystals at the bottom, barely crashed but crashing none the less.

Does it sound like I could be dealing with Mast P? like I say I am still learning and testing but from all I have read these temps I have to use and issues I am having at these concentrations could indicate I have Mast P raws?

Maybe I am totally wrong and I am just making a mess of it but any help would be appreciated.

 

[pipo]

I believe your source messed up and send something else not mast e. It could be mast p or it could be something else
You can't know if you don't test it.

 

[Gemini Bandit]

I believe your source messed up and send something else not mast e. It could be mast p or it could be something else
You can't know if you don't test it.

Thanks for the reply, is Mast E generally an easier compound to work with temperature and concentration wise?
I questioned the supplier, the "code" on the bag was right they said. but that doesn't mean the product put in the bag was right in my head. Also it was not my regular supplier and given the current supply issues ordering more isn't so simple. maybe I will have to send it off for testing/confirmation.

 

[pipo]

Thanks for the reply, is Mast E generally an easier compound to work with temperature and concentration wise?
I questioned the supplier, the "code" on the bag was right they said. but that doesn't mean the product put in the bag was right in my head. Also it was not my regular supplier and given the current supply issues ordering more isn't so simple. maybe I will have to send it off for testing/confirmation.

Mast e shouldn't crash at that concentration. It should hold without problem.

 

[SZB]

You sent samples for testing? What is this substance?

 

[eery]

Maybe they did the ME/DE mixup, confusing methenolone enanthate for drostanolone enanthate, or its propionate instead of enanthate.

 

[SZB]

Maybe wrong, but the standard melting points are considered to be:
drostanolone enanthate - 53 - 56 degrees C
drostanolone propionate - 125 - 127 degrees C

WHILE
methenolone enanthate
has a melting point of - 66 - 71 degrees C

You can confuse Methenolone Enanthate with
Drostanolone Enanthate but not with Drostanolone Propionate.

Generally all ENANTHATE Esters have a low melting point, so they do not crystallize at lower temperatures and are easy to dissolve and maintain in higher concentration in liquid form. BUT I MAY BE WRONG

 

[Gemini Bandit]

Maybe they did the ME/DE mixup, confusing methenolone enanthate for drostanolone enanthate, or its propionate instead of enanthate.

I would not be upset if they accidentally sent me ME instead of DE, its far too powdery and fine (not flaky) to be ME. Im pretty convinced I have been sent Drostanolone Propionate.

 

[Gemini Bandit]

Maybe wrong, but the standard melting points are considered to be:
drostanolone enanthate - 53 - 56 degrees C
drostanolone propionate - 125 - 127 degrees C

WHILE
methenolone enanthate
has a melting point of - 66 - 71 degrees C

You can confuse Methenolone Enanthate with
Drostanolone Enanthate but not with Drostanolone Propionate.

Generally all ENANTHATE Esters have a low melting point, so they do not crystallize at lower temperatures and are easy to dissolve and maintain in higher concentration in liquid form. BUT I MAY BE WRONG

Hey Brother,
I have read your whole thread re your Mast Raws issue, I agree enanthates have low melting point, hold easy without excessive BB but what I have I could leave it stirring at 50deg C for an hour and it wont dissolve properly, I have to crank the temp into the 80s and still cant get 180mg/ml to hold at 22% BB and was clogging filters so its been relegated to the back of the cupboard until I get a chance to send it away for testing.