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klokke23
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Why does this concern you? It's rare you need to apply this kind of heat while brewing. The melting point of raws are rarely a concern. Tren comes to mind though.
TheHaus88
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I'm half asleep but I think brewing temperature of nearly everything is no hotter than 50c. Don't over heat Tren.
I'm sorry did I read that melting point rarely comes into concern when brewing?!?!?!? You absolutely are supposed to heat to melting point then hold it there while stiring during the brew process. In fairness not every hormone will crash without being heated to .melting point but enough will. Have you ever had high concentration test e (over 300mgs) that leaves knot in your ass.....that's because the brewer didn't heat to melting and hold it there while stiring for long enough. UGLs rely too much on solvents and EO. They could get actual high concentration products with no more than 20% bb if they simply heated it high enough and long enough while stiring it.
MELTING POINTS are ABSOLUTELY important to educated brewers!!!
MELTING POINTS are ABSOLUTELY important to educated brewers!!!
TheHaus88
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Heating is good, overheating is bad. Test E melts at room temperature. Almost requires no heat at all. But for good measure I heat everything but oral suspension, heat for 1 hour of cool for 1 hour. A few compounds require more attention. It's not rocket science it'll get the job done. I've never brewed more than 65c and gotten the results I was looking for.
Does 65c sterilize the solution????????? NO!!!
Please try heating to a higher temp, does not have to be a crazy temp just high enough to sterilize the solution. Seriously the heating part of the brew is important to guarantee a sterile finished product.
TheHaus88
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benzyl alcohol sterilizes the solution. You think we heat up the solution to sterilize it? I don't have time for this.
Benzyl alcohol keeps things from growing. It CAN kill things but that is not the reason it is added, it's a preservative that keeps things from growing. The stuff it can kill is just a bonus and it doesn't kill all the stuff we need to worry about in this line of activities. There is actually a list of things that can survive in pure benzoyl alcohol. If it can't kill EVERYTHING then we can not call it sterilizing.
Now the heating is not even specifically just for killing things. It is actually for melting and making sure no moisture makes it into the final solution as water is where so many things grow, along with killing anything and EVERYTHING that is in there.
Benzyl benzoate actually can kill bacteria but that is just a bonus. Again it doesn't kill everything so we can not call it sterilizing.
Actually the filtering process (using the .22 ú size not the .45ú) could be considered sterilization because it filters out stuff as small as viruses. With The .45 size filters they found out that some virus or bacteria could make it through that size of poor/hole. And again if it can not take care of EVERYTHING then it can not be called sterilizing.
But if you don't want to heat your brews, then good luck. I can tell you that if you do not heat properly and you do not have regular cripplingly bad PIP from concentrations as low as the 250-300 range and up, then I would look at the purity of your raws. Heck I bet 400mgs per ml of EQ would hurt if you didn't heat it properly. Shit test enanthate at 300 hurts when it is not heated long enough. And then you still have to worry about the stuff still living in your final product.
I urge you to continue your quest for knowledge.
Please keep in mind that everytime I say heated I am assuming everyone knows that stirring is included.
TheHaus88
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I never said I didn't use heat. I said I don't destroy the oil or raws when brewing. You do know that oil burns and breaks down and you can destroy the raws. Everything I use is sterile. I'm not worried about it. I haven't had any problems. Good luck
Man I feel bad for just totally schooling you like that all based off an assumption. I realized afterwards that I didn't find out if English is a second language or if you have a learning/cognitive disorder.
You seriously don't heat your brews because you think benzyl alcohol at any percentage is enough to guarantee sterility????
Out of the common used ingredients EO is the one that breaks down at the lowest temp, still over 200 celsius. No common oils burn below that and infact most are up or over 300 Celsius. And if some raws don't even melt until over 100 Celsius then how would heating them to just sterilizing temps hurt them?? I can tell you from volume experience that there is no estered hormone you can damage by hearing it to sterilizing temps again quite a few don't even melt until well past 100celsius.
No brother your filter gives you a sterile product. BA acts as a preservative. Make time to learn.
Melting point is neccesary. Judt ifbu use another kind of sovlvents , as guaiacol then perhaps u wint need to achieve the melting point but you will need to at least reach below it.
Sterilyty of the oils just when u filter with 0.22 filter.
Ba is a preservative and helps to keep bacteria growing under control.
STERILITY JUST WHEN U FILTER.
Warm oils wont make anything u need like an hour at 150-160 degrees to steril ur oil and mct smoke point is like 150, so u will "Damage" it.
If u filter u r brew will be perfect.
I agree and have had this discussion about not properly heating (and stirring) can cause pip. I use to make test enanthate 400 and it made an Easter egg on my ass. I walked around like I had those pirate stick fake legs for legs. After trying call sorts of stuff like recipe wise, I even went 100% eo for carrier, and added higher solvent levels. Still I got Easter eggs. I then made friends with a former producer. He told me my problem was how long I was heating and not having an auto stirring set up. I had been heating to sterilize and just used a glass rod to stir it a bit here and there throughout the process. I'm not 100% which part made the pip go away but I always heat it to about 225-230f, and auto stir for about 45minutes to an hour. I have never had any sort of PIP again and I went back to just 2%ba, 18%bb and rest mct or mig.
His producing was before my time so I don't really know just how crazy it got but he has been able to answer anything I have ever posed to him.
Full of info I wish I could just carbon copy and digest into my experience.
Stirring the solution (oil bb ba powder), the added BB, will make everything meltt at lower temperature much lower than the boiling point.
From my experience heating Trenbolone Acetate at 94-97°C, is too much and makes it very rusty/orangish color. It gets oxydized too much and very easily.
I would avoid that temp for sure.
From my experience heating Trenbolone Acetate at 94-97°C, is too much and makes it very rusty/orangish color. It gets oxydized too much and very easily.
I would avoid that temp for sure.
When it melts it should change the color... isnt oxidation.. is just melting the tren. It shouldnt be clear yellow.
Then mate i have to thank you a lot, I have learnt something new ...... I was thinking that Tren Ace should be yellow!! I was always thinking about the melting point but applied it mainly by mistake.....
Ok tren ace should end up an amber color (depending on concentration and carrier), tren enanthate will also have a yellow color to its finished product. Even high concentrations of test cypionate can have a yellow tint to the finished product. EQ can have a very very light brown to the tint. Otherwise I can not think of any other hormone/ester combos that should or would automatically have a coloring to the finished product. It does happen, just look at your raw, of it has a color other than white then you can expect it to influence the final products color.
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