Meso drug addicts

[Wings_of_pain]

Even though I don't think I've been addicted to anything per say, I have had opiates in my system pretty much everyday for almost 2 years now. I am prescribed meds for constant pain, but on top of that have fucked around with stronger stuff bought from agora.

The only thing I regret about opiates is the feeling that nothing will ever feel as good. Not talking to friends or hitting up chicks, pretty much the only thing that kinda remained was lifting, even eating isn't all that anymore. I miss feeling fulfilled by more natural things.

 

[Whoremoans]

Even though I don't think I've been addicted to anything per say, I have had opiates in my system pretty much everyday for almost 2 years now. I am prescribed meds for constant pain, but on top of that have fucked around with stronger stuff bought from agora.

The only thing I regret about opiates is the feeling that nothing will ever feel as good. Not talking to friends or hitting up chicks, pretty much the only thing that kinda remained was lifting, even eating isn't all that anymore. I miss feeling fulfilled by more natural things.

Call it what you like man but if you've had them in your system for two years now you are without a doubt opiate dependent..

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Damn Mike,

You gotta kick the alcohol man. I know I dont know you, but Ive seen your name on here and people talking about you (all good). I know youre well respected around here.
As someone who's had alcohol problems, youve got to leave it alone. You kicked the drugs, but youve gotta get off the booze too. God bless brother.

Thanks for the motivation man. I know I've gotta kick the booze but it always seems to turn into the same old "this will be the last time" bullshit every time. I've been through enough to know that it never truly is 'the last time' but still seem to find myself following down that path regardless.

I think I'm going to start a cycle log later today to hopefully give me some motivation and keep me in check. There really isn't anyone in person that I'd feel comfortable sharing my substance abuse problems with but I always seem to make further progress when I'm being held accountable.

 

[SJB78]

Call it what you like man but if you've had them in your system for two years now you are without a doubt opiate dependent..

True, he may have a physical dependence but this doesn't necessarily mean he is an addict. Like I said before its about behavior and being physically dependent doesn't mean he automatically displays addictive behavior. Heaps of people use opiates legitimately for whatever reason and just stop with no intervention. Its much more complex than just narrowing it down to one thing. When I got clean I went to university and got a degree in addiction studies and worked in rehabs and my mentor taught me a valuable thing: different people, different places, different times.

 

[Whoremoans]

True, he may have a physical dependence but this doesn't necessarily mean he is an addict. Like I said before its about behavior and being physically dependent doesn't mean he automatically displays addictive behavior. Heaps of people use opiates legitimately for whatever reason and just stop with no intervention. Its much more complex than just narrowing it down to one thing. When I got clean I went to university and got a degree in addiction studies and worked in rehabs and my mentor taught me a valuable thing: different people, different places, different times.

I've been in enough treatment facilities and programs to know the difference man. That's why I said dependency and not addiction. There are addicts and there are people who experience withdrawal symptoms. You can be both or yo can be just one.

 

[jaymaximus]

Thanks for the motivation man. I know I've gotta kick the booze but it always seems to turn into the same old "this will be the last time" bullshit every time. I've been through enough to know that it never truly is 'the last time' but still seem to find myself following down that path regardless.

I think I'm going to start a cycle log later today to hopefully give me some motivation and keep me in check. There really isn't anyone in person that I'd feel comfortable sharing my substance abuse problems with but I always seem to make further progress when I'm being held accountable.

When it comes up im subd

 

[Rackin45s]

Drugs were never my problem, I was the problem. The drugs did exactly what they were supposed to do. Through my actions I destroyed everything in my path. I believe in complete abstinence from all mind altering substances. I would have never gotten clean on methadone or subs. Nor would I have considered myself clean while taking those drugs. Everyone has their own path and I respect that. For me, it includes complete abstinence and the 12 steps. A lot of hard work and 5 years later I have a life I could have never dreamt about!! Do the work and you reap the benefits!!! Just like training!!

 

[Whoremoans]

Drugs were never my problem, I was the problem. The drugs did exactly what they were supposed to do. Through my actions I destroyed everything in my path. I believe in complete abstinence from all mind altering substances. I would have never gotten clean on methadone or subs. Nor would I have considered myself clean while taking those drugs. Everyone has their own path and I respect that. For me, it includes complete abstinence and the 12 steps. A lot of hard work and 5 years later I have a life I could have never dreamt about!! Do the work and you reap the benefits!!! Just like training!!

All subs did for me in the long run was make me the "sub guy" all the pill heads came to when scripts ran out.

 

[viking23]

But did you feel weaning to a low dose sub made withdrawals easier? Most guys I know that didn't stay at a high dose too long was able to wean easier than their Doc but the last jumo was still as tough as any other . Some even said the jump may have been harder but symptoms weren't as bad. Thoughts?

 

[Whoremoans]

But did you feel weaning to a low dose sub made withdrawals easier? Most guys I know that didn't stay at a high dose too long was able to wean easier than their Doc but the last jumo was still as tough as any other . Some even said the jump may have been harder but symptoms weren't as bad. Thoughts?

Suboxones half life makes it a miserable comedown. Lasts too long. Still pretty dramatic DTs and for a longer duration. That's how it was for me at least.

 

[Ozzy619]

But did you feel weaning to a low dose sub made withdrawals easier? Most guys I know that didn't stay at a high dose too long was able to wean easier than their Doc but the last jumo was still as tough as any other . Some even said the jump may have been harder but symptoms weren't as bad. Thoughts?

Weaning is the only way to go with subs given the long half life. Lets give a moderate 48hrs, although its more like 72hrs, jumping at .125mgs is a hell of a lot easier than jumping at 4mgs. At 4mgs I couldnt handle it after day 7. At .125mgs the jump was seamless, hardly noticeable wds at all. Never looked back after that. Tapering is a mental game.

 

[KPK]

Me and the Ole lady like to do MDMA .We don't do it very often anymore,but we sure have fun when we do.

 

[pmac928]

Me and the Ole lady like to do MDMA .We don't do it very often anymore,but we sure have fun when we do.

I'd kill to do some e with the wife. I'd probably need at least 10 pills to have a good night.

 

[KPK]

Lol, we have some very good molly that we are saving for my birthday. She is in for a wild ride with me on molly, test and tren.

 

[pmac928]

Lol, we have some very good molly that we are saving for my birthday. She is in for a wild ride with me on molly, test and tren.

Never did molly. Only e. Had some good times. But if I remeber the last few times doing e halfway through my trip I decided it would be a good idea to get some coke. Didn't end well for wallet.

 

[Wings_of_pain]

[Qusually horemoans, post: 1376099, member: 71803"]Call it what you like man but if you've had them in your system for two years now you are without a doubt opiate dependent..[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree I'm dependent but wouldn't say addicted. Its tough though not going

Never did molly. Only e. Had some good times. But if I remeber the last few times doing e halfway through my trip I decided it would be a good idea to get some coke. Didn't end well for wallet.

I know it sounds bad but before I die I'd like to try coke and morphine together. I would say hydromorph or heroin but hydro is heavier and heroin is just dirty shit and only beneficial if you have a heavy habit. As it stands I hate the nod opiates provide and just like to feel good and normal.

 

[pmac928]

Here's the problem, there is no just having a good time with opiates. Give yourself a little time and boom you'll have a habit.

 

[Wings_of_pain]

TE="pmac928, post: 1376387, member: 65677"]Here's the problem, there is no just having a good time with opiates. Give yourself a little time and boom you'll have a habit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have decent experience with opiates and like I said been on them everyday for almost 2 years. The worst thing I've done is to go on binges and buy shit from the dark web but I've never asked my doctors for meds to get high and since I have a tolerance I don't feel anything with hydrocodone which is what they give me as well an anti inflammatory. They offered to switch me to long acting kadian, but at this point I'm not trying to get high just keep pain down.

 

[brutus79]

Thanks for the motivation man. I know I've gotta kick the booze but it always seems to turn into the same old "this will be the last time" bullshit every time. I've been through enough to know that it never truly is 'the last time' but still seem to find myself following down that path regardless.

I think I'm going to start a cycle log later today to hopefully give me some motivation and keep me in check. There really isn't anyone in person that I'd feel comfortable sharing my substance abuse problems with but I always seem to make further progress when I'm being held accountable.

I have spent years on ever substance known to man.. addicted to crack, coke, benzos, opiates (pills), pcp, heroin, the list goes on and on. I always just traded one addiction for another and thought I was doing good because I was avoiding my drug of choice. Unfortunately my choice was always drugs.

My point? Alcohol is a subtle foe. It is, by far and away, the hardest thing to quit. I always felt entitled to a drink. There was never an alcohol drought. I never bought fake alcohol in the projects. It was legal to buy, everywhere and cheap enough that I could get drunk whenever I wanted without committing crimes to do so. I had to get started on drugs again to even consider getting clean again, because although I drank every single day I didn't even start to think there might be a problem with it- until my third day sober I had an alcoholic seizure. It terrified me that I had lied to myself and bought it hook, line and sinker. I had never fully been able to convince myself there was no problem on any drug. On some level it was always obvious to me.

You are in very dangerous territory my friend- try not drinking for a week and see if you can. I bet you can't. It is deceptive like nothing else.

 

[brutus79]

Never did molly. Only e. Had some good times. But if I remeber the last few times doing e halfway through my trip I decided it would be a good idea to get some coke. Didn't end well for wallet.

Same thing. E just pressed in tabs. Mdma is mdma. Unless someone served you something else of course...

Lol, we have some very good molly that we are saving for my birthday. She is in for a wild ride with me on molly, test and tren.