[MFL] [Test E] - [LC/MS] - [2014- 07] [PrivateMDLabs]

[bkent504]

Hey guys,

This post is a bit overdue, as I had it done about 5 weeks ago.

Anyway, I got some Test E from MFL (batch #2074) and pinned as usual, and when all the drama started with them, I upped the dose to 1.75ML e3d, to try and compensate for the inevitable underdosing.

Here's my bloodwork after pinning for 4-5 weeks.

Side note: I only got Total Test done because it was right when another MESO user posted his results and his test had plummeted, even though he was also on MFL's Test at the time. I'm getting proper bloodwork done next Tuesday so I'll have more info late next week.

 

[lightspan]

Works out to 1020 mg/week based on 1.75 ml of 250 mg/ml e3d. How long after your last pin until blood was drawn? how many pins had you been running 1.75? sorry for all the detailed questions, trying to put a collection of data together to get a decent predictor of dosage and expected bloodwork values.

thanks.

 

[bkent504]

No worries. It had been 4 weeks of 1.75cc, last pin was 32 hours before blood was drawn.

 

[sluggy]

A gram per week, fuck me..

 

[Mimmik]

Those numbers look good. I'd say it's dosed damn near what it says IMO.

 

[alphastrength50]

how so mimmick?

 

[devildog93]

In my opinion it is a bit low. 5000 might seem like a big number considering the tests we have seen on shit gear, but the one and only time i had a blood test done with nearly the same pinning protocol(albeit omnadren 250) i came out with mid 7000s. This is by memory, but i think i was pinning 1.5 cc on Mon./Thurs. and took the test after week 4. Just to hazard a guess i am going to say it may be 65-70% of what i was taking. I could be off by a bit, but i think you would be higher if it was 80% purity or above.

 

[bkent504]

In my opinion it is a bit low. 5000 might seem like a big number considering the tests we have seen on shit gear, but the one and only time i had a blood test done with nearly the same pinning protocol(albeit omnadren 250) i came out with mid 7000s. This is by memory, but i think i was pinning 1.5 cc on Mon./Thurs. and took the test after week 4. Just to hazard a guess i am going to say it may be 65-70% of what i was taking. I could be off by a bit, but i think you would be higher if it was 80% purity or above.

Agreed, that was my thought too. Seeing as how this was 4 weeks in to that dosage, I'm definitely interested to see if that was the peak (so to say) of the test levels. I got another blood test done this morning and can't wait to see the results.

 

[Mimmik]

how so mimmick?

Given the amount of test he's on the numbers do look good. Comparing ones numbers to another is a bad way to compare because of body composition, injection location/date, patient weight, and many other factors that come into play. I have levels anywhere from 200 to 800 depending the day of the week I get drawn on my TRT dose of 200mg Pfizer test cyp a week.

Given my numbers, it's perfectly feasible for you to be at 5200 on a gram of test a week.

In my opinion it is a bit low. 5000 might seem like a big number considering the tests we have seen on shit gear, but the one and only time i had a blood test done with nearly the same pinning protocol(albeit omnadren 250) i came out with mid 7000s. This is by memory, but i think i was pinning 1.5 cc on Mon./Thurs. and took the test after week 4. Just to hazard a guess i am going to say it may be 65-70% of what i was taking. I could be off by a bit, but i think you would be higher if it was 80% purity or above.

Blood tests on omnadren or Sust would be higher after a shot due to the quick releasing esters and because those esters contain more testosterone mg for mg when compared to enanthate or cyp.

Not trying to stir the pot or prove anyone wrong by any means, but to say the test is underdosed would be a shot in the dark. There are too many factors coming into play to try and judge where your levels should be. On a gram on Pfizer test cyp a week, I'd be under 5000 given my current numbers on my current TRT dose.

 

[4leafclover]

lol this guy thinks 1.75 ml e3d looks good @ 5k... On pharma my bloods come back @ 4 weeks, 500mg per week 4800-5200 generally. This guy is doing nearly 3x that amount and coming back in the same range.

If you are on a trt dose, that's 200mg a week or 250, depending on what country you're from; and that's not a gram my friend.

His test is underdosed, and that's not a shot in the dark. G'day gents.

I will say this though, his results have come back better than some UGL's labwork as of late.

 

[bkent504]

lol this guy thinks 1.75 ml e3d looks good @ 5k... On pharma my bloods come back @ 4 weeks, 500mg per week 4800-5200 generally. This guy is doing nearly 3x that amount and coming back in the same range.

If you are on a trt dose, that's 200mg a week or 250, depending on what country you're from; and that's not a gram my friend.

His test is underdosed, and that's not a shot in the dark. G'day gents.

I will say this though, his results have come back better than some UGL's labwork as of late.

Which is exactly why I went to a "gram". Thanks for backing me up man!

 

[devildog93]

Mimmik i think you are flat out wrong. Sustanon will not test higher than enanthate. I was pinning Monday/Thursday and was tested on a Monday prior to a pin. I got tested in the morning, pinned later that evening. I had 4 weeks of build-up that was being tested basically, and at a low point at that, prior to my next pin. I was using the pct calculator as a rough guide. Had i tested the next day i would expect to see it jump.

 

[Mimmik]

lol this guy thinks 1.75 ml e3d looks good @ 5k... On pharma my bloods come back @ 4 weeks, 500mg per week 4800-5200 generally. This guy is doing nearly 3x that amount and coming back in the same range.

If you are on a trt dose, that's 200mg a week or 250, depending on what country you're from; and that's not a gram my friend.

His test is underdosed, and that's not a shot in the dark. G'day gents.

I will say this though, his results have come back better than some UGL's labwork as of late.

You misunderstood what I said. Given that my bloods come back between 200-800 on 200mg test cyp a week, I would expect.

There's no need to be this way brother. Here's a study to prove you are incorrect.

http://www.ironmagazine.com/2012/the-effects-of-testosterone-on-the-body/

From the study...(16 weeks in)
Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

It also has a "pharmacokinetics of testosterone cypionate injection" graph.

I am extremely well versed in this stuff due to the fact that I gets bloods often and more importantly, I research my ass off. There are a lot of old school theories and charts that I can prove wrong with science today, but we don't have time for all that today. Lol. Maybe a write up is due on my part.

 

[Mimmik]

Mimmik i think you are flat out wrong. Sustanon will not test higher than enanthate. I was pinning Monday/Thursday and was tested on a Monday prior to a pin. I got tested in the morning, pinned later that evening. I had 4 weeks of build-up that was being tested basically, and at a low point at that, prior to my next pin. I was using the pct calculator as a rough guide. Had i tested the next day i would expect to see it jump.

I'm not flat out wrong but I do understand what you're saying. Blood work on Sustanon varies greatly depending on the day you take the dose. On Sust, my blood work shows higher free test a day after injection but lower later in the week when compared to test cypionate. Check out the "pharmacokinetics of testosterone cypionate injection" chart on the link I out up. It gives you an idea that "buildup" isn't as you think. Sure the compound builds up, but many factors play into that, but one misunderstood factor is the half life. Test cyp has a half life of 7 days, but there's clearly less than half on day 7 according to the chart. A common misunderstanding is that half is left after 7 days, then it's halved again in 7 days...and so on.

Peak on test cyp is 1-2 days and you're almost back to baseline by day 10. A third or even less is left on day 7, not half, and it falls off quickly after that. This explains why I can load up on a gram of test a week and quit 2 weeks out before bloods and come back within the normal range.

 

[4leafclover]

I fail to see what that 1980 examination proves exactly. They were doing 1 a week injections and stated emphatically that testing after the dose would yield higher ranges. Our Dr. Scally who administers this stuff has posted his own findings in our PCT forum and his own clinical experiences.

My background is in psycho-pharmacology, so science is something I regularly do... I don't do old school theories, other than dosage ranges, I read the latest science publications and I am a part of several societies that regularly publish information related to steroids. So get your shit out of here.

Try again. Like I said my own bloods on pharma have yielded better results, and I use supratheraputic levels, not TRT doses.

Yes you can give some leeway to metabolism, injection site, and time of blood drawn, but this should not be wildly out of the normal ranges it should be in if your test is accurately dosed, and the purity is decent.

 

[devildog93]

16 weeks in, jeebus....you're comparing apples and oranges. At 10 weeks in my body seems to be losing receptor affinity, requiring more and more to get the same effect. I expect that is what we are seeing there, but just a guess. Let's see some at 4 weeks. You are basically arguing against Dr. Scally, so i wouldn't exactly call it an old school theory, but one based off real world testing. While i have not done the testing either of you have, i think i will lean towards his data as it lines up more with what i have seen. I also think the pct calulator gives a pretty good rough estimate of what you should have floating around if you are injecting what you think you are.

 

[4leafclover]

I agree, normally I don't really support too many people over the internet. But Dr. Scally is one who I would fully endorse. Not only has the man done tremendous work in the field, he also practices what he preaches. He looks beastly!

That guy has contributed more to harm reduction and AAS user recovery than any predecessor. In my opinion he is prolific in his contributions to recovery.

 

[Mimmik]

Brother, I was not trying to start a fight with you in any way and you're being condescending. Many of my thoughts and opinions have come from Dr. Scally too, as well as from my own experiences and research. Devildog93, you said yourself you haven't done the testing that either of us have done, yet you want to argue? I'm on your side here guys, I'm trying to help people through my research and experience. Isn't that why you're here too?

PCT calc is a tool to use, but it's not exact science and I'm simply sharing my thoughts and research based on the graph in the study. Also, it's not apples to oranges...even though your body loses its receptor affinity to test, the same amounts of test are still circulating in your system whether you're receptors are "drowned out" or not.

The study was old and it was one of many I could go pull up on google, but you're missing the point. His testosterone levels are not way off on a gram of test and thats all I'm saying. I have come back with near same levels on the same amount of pharm grade test too. I don't agree that it's under dosed based on his bloods given the info he gave to us, unless I'm missing something here?

Im a big guy, 250-265 depending on whether I do TRT only or add other things. I'm 6 foot tall and around 10%bf. A 200mg dose of test will affect my blood levels differently when compared to a smaller person, say 150 lbs, someone with different metabolisms, muscle mass amounts, activity levels....

One factor to consider is some studies only use sedentary men, and some use athletes. A sedentary man will have more test in his system compared tot he athlete. Why? When the sedentary man injects test in his shoulder, it stays there, releasing slowly as intended. When a guy like one of us injects the shoulder, we work out hard and increase the blood flow to the area leading to a more rapid release and elimination on of the testosterone.

I'm getting off topic, but based on my research and personal experiences throughout the years...I'd say the test looks like it's dosed properly. I'd like to see what Dr. Scally has to say too.

I'm not saying you're wrong brother. We should try to sort this out and learn more on this subject as a team A wise man does not tell another to "get his shit out of here".

 

[4leafclover]

This crap gets so boring to respond to, it's like never ending propaganda. Dr. Scally has said in general the 10x rule is conservative, in real world applications he has seen much higher levels come back. He said the timing of injection to bloods impacts the level, as well as length of time on dose. He uses the 10x rule to plan PCT, so I doubt it's that far off, or why would he take someones life into his hands for returning them to normal levels, if he didn't feel confident in this formula?

Based on my personal experiences and research throughout the years, what I have seen conforms with what Dr. Scally has posted and published.

I say get that shit out of here, because every week someone comes in and tries to dispute low blood test results and defend mediocre labs. MFL is a shit lab, this has been proven, go read the thread if you don't believe me. A lot of folks here went through a lot of shit with them, so you coming in and posting crap about his bloods looking on point, looks like a shill post. I'm all for sorting stuff out, your original posts had nothing to do with posing questions, you posed his bloods looked on point and his shit gear was accurately dosed, how is that a discussion?

Done responding with this thread, this type of shit kills me... slowly...

 

[Burrr]

. On pharma my bloods come back @ 4 weeks, 500mg per week 4800-5200 generally.

4leaf,
have you posted any bloods here?