Mid-Cycle Bloodwork Protocols and Values

[Nitrust]

What UGL you use Burr? If you don't mind me asking?

 

[BIGMESC]

Great thread don't know how I missed this one.
Thanks @lightspan

So going forward are we agreed on a 24 to 48 post pin window and 6-8 weeks in ?

 

[Nitrust]

^ this because I will be following the proper protocol, and I will be starting my cycle September after I get blood done.

 

[Burrr]

What UGL you use Burr? If you don't mind me asking?

It's a private UGL, he used to go by FX. He's not taking in anyone new, but he delivers for me consistently.

 

[Nitrust]

I got ya im not source hunting, i was just curious

 

[Colt44]

So what's the board approved protocol for Test P. How many weeks in and how long after last pin for blood draw?

 

[Burrr]

So what's the board approved protocol for Test P. How many weeks in and how long after last pin for blood draw?

After messing around with some plots, it looks like 1 week in should be fine, I think time after pin should just be random. Assuming a pin every day schedule, it looks like we should see a low point around 7:1 ratio on weekly dose.
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=20&...erone&c0_f=propionate&c0_s=1&c0_fr=1&c0_to=15

 

[Colt44]

Let's assume an eod pin schedule also. Random times should not be considered. We should strive for peak serum concentration to establish a baseline. All tests should follow the exact same protocol to ensure data accuracy.

 

[Izk]

How did we get that from the posts? I thought we didn't have enough bloods to come to a conclusion?
So you suggest 7 pins into cycle and time after pinning is flexible. This wouldn't work for test e pinning every 3.5 days would it?
Levels would vary a little from pinning day to 3 days later.
And ratios between 7:11 and rare case 10:1.

Not being difficult on purpose burr but can we all come up with a more detailed protocol. Its easier to explain to people and just more accurate.

 

[Colt44]

How did we get that from the posts? I thought we didn't have enough bloods to come to a conclusion?
So you suggest 7 pins into cycle and time after pinning is flexible. This wouldn't work for test e pinning every 3.5 days would it?
Levels would vary a little from pinning day to 3 days later.
And ratios between 711 and rare case 10:1.

Not being difficult on purpose burr but can we all come up with a more detailed protocol. Its easier to explain to people and just more accurate.

The above mentioned protocol was for Test Prop...

I am with you on the random times though. Blood draw window needs to match for each.

 

[Burrr]

The above mentioned protocol was for Test Prop...

I am with you on the random times though. Blood draw window needs to match for each.

I think with prop that levels will change too much, hour to hour. If you say 3 hours after pinning, the spike could vary so much, I bet things as simple as which muscle you pin could affect release rate enough to have no consistency from person to person.

 

[Izk]

We need to get something we can explain to people too lazy to research or just new to the game. 24-48hrs after pinning might be applicable for all esthers based on half life. Unless your pinning tne or something less common.

I expect this thread will last a few more pages till we come up with something perfect.

 

[Colt44]

I think with prop that levels will change too much, hour to hour. If you say 3 hours after pinning, the spike could vary so much, I bet things as simple as which muscle you pin could affect release rate enough to have no consistency from person to person.

So we could pin the same muscle group.

 

[Manny]

This is a good thread for me, first run. Tomorrow is 28 days on. What is the appropriate time to get my blood? Didn't get b4 so I want to be as proper as I can be. I heard 5,6 wweks? Also, how long after I pin?

 

[Capt Forest]

I am running sust and i am looking to get bloods done on week 6 or 7. I pin twice a week monday thursday. When would be the best time to get bloods?

 

[rram]

I am running sust and i am looking to get bloods done on week 6 or 7. I pin twice a week monday thursday. When would be the best time to get bloods?

pin Monday night and get blood drawn Thursday morning before next pin.

 

[newtoketo]

Well for t c I was told third day after pin for accurate read. Six days for half life. If that helps at all.

 

[Burrr]

I like to get bloods done the day after pinning. For most compounds that will give you a near peak level. Let's be real, we all want to see a high number on our test serum, so shoot for a peak level.

 

[BIGMESC]

I like to get bloods done the day after pinning. For most compounds that will give you a near peak level. Let's be real, we all want to see a high number on our test serum, so shoot for a peak level.

I agree with Burrr on this Peak is not at the half way point of the first half life but closer to the first quarter of a the first half life. It has to do surface area of the deposit in contact with tissue, greater the surface area the more can be absorbed as it shrinks less can be absorbed.

But as discussed above pinning different muscle groups, different metabolisms and life schedules makes a 24-48 hour window seem reasonable to me on long esters.

I would suggest for the same reasons that labs for short esters on an EOD schedule be taken just prior to next pin, day of pin but before pinning, this should allow some of these factors to balance out.

 

[Fckit]

Test prop / mast prop / tren ace cycle. When would be optimum time for bloodwork being they are all short esthers? Also, how long after last pin? Grazie