Mike Tyson Vs. Bruce Lee

Oh shit Grizzly, dont ever go to a Gracie JJ Seminar. They have all of these "techniques" to disable a person with a weapon and it is a joke. There were actually giggles from the crowd. For example, one of the instructors (not an actual Gracie) had someone come at him with a Sharpie Permanent Marker (the only thing we had that could be a knife in the room) and when he was done with this little "block-throw-roll-into-an-armbar technique" he stood up to talk to the crowd. As he did, there were marker marks all over his chest and gi. In case some of you didnt get it, if the marker was a real knife, you would have cut the shit out of yourself doing this technique. You would have stabbed yourself essentially. It was hilarious.

[MK]
 
In the case of a weapon, it seems to me that the logical solution is good footspeed. Personally, I'd die because I can't out run a fucking thing, but most people can. :)

I looked into the weapons forum on MMA.tv and one person did bring up an interesting point. If a guy has a gun and you do nothing, then you are 100% going to die. If you at least attempt something, your odds go up considerably. You might still die, but at least you died fighting.

I ain't a fan of knives(I'm too pretty to get cut :D) and I'm not a fan of guns, but if a guy has a pipe, bat, etc. I'm game! I'll stand right up and pummel the shit out that motherfucker. A bat takes way too long to get around and by that time you can have closed the distance to a point where only the handle part of the bat will hit you. No big deal. Then the head butting and fish hooking is on! :D
 
Grizzly said:
In the case of a weapon, it seems to me that the logical solution is good footspeed. Personally, I'd die because I can't out run a fucking thing, but most people can. :)

I looked into the weapons forum on MMA.tv and one person did bring up an interesting point. If a guy has a gun and you do nothing, then you are 100% going to die. If you at least attempt something, your odds go up considerably. You might still die, but at least you died fighting.

I ain't a fan of knives(I'm too pretty to get cut :D) and I'm not a fan of guns, but if a guy has a pipe, bat, etc. I'm game! I'll stand right up and pummel the shit out that motherfucker. A bat takes way too long to get around and by that time you can have closed the distance to a point where only the handle part of the bat will hit you. No big deal. Then the head butting and fish hooking is on! :D

First, Grizz and Mark, thanks guys, at least i have a few ppl on my side when i talk about "MMA vs. crap" these day, the world is becoming a better place!

As for the weapon Q, i'll be honest here, bat/crowbar/screw driver are all weapons you should avoid, but if you have to then you have to, but a gun, boy oh boy, OT may sound crazy sometimes, but i will NEVER fight a guy with a gun, i'd run as fast as i can, most ppl dont know how to aim guns anyway and chances you'd slip, you could say OT is a chicken, but i prefer to be a chicken that's alive than a dumb that's dead.

-OT
 
oldtimer said:
First, Grizz and Mark, thanks guys, at least i have a few ppl on my side when i talk about "MMA vs. crap" these day, the world is becoming a better place!

As for the weapon Q, i'll be honest here, bat/crowbar/screw driver are all weapons you should avoid, but if you have to then you have to, but a gun, boy oh boy, OT may sound crazy sometimes, but i will NEVER fight a guy with a gun, i'd run as fast as i can, most ppl dont know how to aim guns anyway and chances you'd slip, you could say OT is a chicken, but i prefer to be a chicken that's alive than a dumb that's dead.

-OT


Question:what did Bruce Lee order at Burger King?





Answer:*in a high pitched chinese accent* a whopaaaaaaa! and wataaaaaa!!:D

Hai-ya Chop-suey!! :p
 
Mark Kerr said:
Also, I am NOT advocating being an asshole because you can fight. Be a perfect gentleman in real life, but if you have to fight, then whoop some ass.

[MK]

I still don't think you read my post but that's ok, thanks for your assertions. :D
 
Mark Kerr said:
I am ending the debate now. I didnt want to play this card, but I will. If you ever watch K-1, there are plenty of people there who ONLY box, such as Butterbean, Sapp (mostly), Botha. Many UFC/PRIDE fighters win fights without throwing a kick or going to the ground. Look at many of Vitor's fights (BTW Vitor was a professional boxer as well), he wins on punching alone, and this is against some of the best MMA fighters around.

Let me rephrase the question to make my point clear: Lets put a world-class kickboxer against Bruce Lee (someone like Mirko Filipovic, Mike McDonald, Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost, Vanderlei Silva, Remy Bonjasky). Who would win if the kickboxer was not allowed to throw kicks or take him to the ground? Most people would say the kickboxer. Then why the hell would Mike Tyson be any different? He is a better boxer than any of those guys.

[MK]

P.S. Did any of you read the post where the guy said he (he being the man who posted, not Bruce Lee) was "probably faster than Mike Tyson." I have another question, just to see how much the Lee-supporters know...who throws a faster punch? Mike or Bruce? If you say Bruce, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you...

Also, about Mike Tyson having no knowledge outside of the ring, the guy has been in more fights (in ring/out of ring/in prison) than probably any 5 people on this board combined.

Also, he is good friends in RL with the real Mark Kerr and he is a HUGE fan of MMA and K-1 (he recently went to a K-1 event, has a contract with K-1, and was called out by Bob Sapp.) The man has rolled with Mark Kerr before (MK himself talked about it in interviews, it is no secret).

Now you're just being silly. :rolleyes:
 
Grizzly said:
I'm here, Mark. Let's see if I can remember all of what I read that I felt like addressing.

OT- I've thought about fighting Tyson before. If the money was right, I'd do it. I honestly believe I could/would win, too. I'd just make DAMN SURE it was the quckest shot I've ever taken. Hell, you know exactly what he's going to do. He's going to charge in and let loose with a left hook. That's the perfect way to get taken down.

Kicks to the knee? Yeah, because those happen so often. A 3 inch space is really easy to hit when it's moving. (That was sarcasm, if you didn't notice)

Pressure points, are you kidding me? I almost puked when I read that one, Mark. Number one, pressure points are allowed in MMA competition. The jaw, temple, elbow, knee, ankle, toes, wrist are pressure points. If you really think that grabbing someone on the trap when they are punching you in the face is going to do shit, then I invite you to come train with me.

I train in a Karate gym when no one is there. The owner gave us the key so that we can use his space because he's a nice guy. On the wall is a very interesting poster. The part that makes me laugh my nuts off is the direction on the poster to "chop" a guy in the quad. Yeah, that's really going to hurt. I've taken 4 full-force leg kicks from a 260lb guy. Hell yeah it hurt, especially the next week, but they didn't stop me. He soon found himself with a dislocated shoulder and a painful face from many, many elbows. (Mexico is awesome, they allow downward elbows. Wheeee!)

If we believe the premise that TMA are for self-defense only, then why are the best practitioners monks? When was the last time a fucking monk living on a secluded mountaintop who spends most of his time making sand paintings and starving had to defend himself from a fucking thing?

Ok, Bruce Lee is fast. Great. He's also 5' tall. For him to get in a hit, he would have to get well within the striking distance of Mike Tyson. I'm sorry, but he doesn't have NEAR as much power as that brute does. Let's quote Mike Mentzer here. Ewww, did I just say that? "You can tap on a piece of dynamite all day long with a pencil and it won't go off. Hit it once with a hammer and BANG" This is the same priciple that would govern a Tyson/Lee fight.

An EIGHT FOOT VERICLE JUMP? Are you fucking insane? So, what we're saying here is that Lee could jump over Shaquile O'Neal wearing a ten gallon hat. BULLSHIT!

It is looking a bit like sherdog, isn't it, Mark? Once again you have "caught the correct" LOL

I believe he meant eight inches. Glad you caught that one. :)
 
OK I will put 100 bucks on Lee. I will give that no good overrated cocksucking tyson 10 bucks and he will throw the fight. Tyson should be first in line for people who need fucking shot.
 
dolfe1 said:
I believe he meant eight inches. Glad you caught that one. :)

Then I don't get what was so special about him, then. An eight INCH verticle jump. Big whoopty fucking do. As if any 5 year old can't match that.
 
Grizzly said:
A bat takes way too long to get around and by that time you can have closed the distance to a point where only the handle part of the bat will hit you. :D
So,you can close a 6ft gap between you and me,with your whole body,before i can swing a bat 180 degrees and hit you? OK,then your one fast motha
 
Grizzly said:
Then I don't get what was so special about him, then. An eight INCH verticle jump. Big whoopty fucking do. As if any 5 year old can't match that.
How high would you say he could jump,then?
 
It wouldn't be a 6 foot gap. A 6 foot gap means you ain't hitting shit with your bat to begin with. Even if a guy were to just dodge the swing, he could close the distance while the bat was being attempted to be re-shouldered.

How high could he jump? Well, if a 31" verticle is considered really good, then he might, maybe be able to pull off one of those.
 
hey bruce can jump over 8' into the air. i saw it in 'the last shao-lin'... :D don't forget, he did know a lot about the laws of gravitivity and polarity. hey, that shit could happen... ;)
 
Chip Bronson said:
hey bruce can jump over 8' into the air. i saw it in 'the last shao-lin'... :D don't forget, he did know a lot about the laws of gravitivity and polarity. hey, that shit could happen... ;)
No shit bro. Damn finally someone who agrees. I guess grizz has never watched Kung Fu theater. Those guys jump on roofs man,8' isn't shit for them :)
 
Grizzly said:
It wouldn't be a 6 foot gap. A 6 foot gap means you ain't hitting shit with your bat to begin with. Even if a guy were to just dodge the swing, he could close the distance while the bat was being attempted to be re-shouldered.
Well,it wouldn't take me long to set up my next swing,but ok if the guy was retarted or drunk yes i agree
Grizzly said:
How high could he jump? Well, if a 31" verticle is considered really good, then he might, maybe be able to pull off one of those.
HA HA 31" is too high
 
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you could close the gap with a bat very easily. To get any power on the swing you must commit to the swing. Just watching the guys body language will make it rather easy to get inside the bats sweet spot.
 
thick said:
you could close the gap with a bat very easily. To get any power on the swing you must commit to the swing. Just watching the guys body language will make it rather easy to get inside the bats sweet spot.
Well sure,if the guy is going to try to get the fastest and strongest swing,but why would someone do that and risk you closing the gap? I'm not talking about some punk holding the bat,although if he had a bat he probably is a punk,so i guess your right
 
Pretty much. For the most part, no one wants to commit to a fight. That's why people puff up their chests and push and shove and all that crap. "Oh, you don't know who I am, man. You'd best step off right now. You're in trouble" Blah, blah, blah.

The bat is a scare tactic. Simply by being willing to fight you'll have the advantage. I stepped up to four guys who were trying to overturn the dumpster at my bar. They didn't do shit. Granted, they had a combined wieght of 600lbs and I would have whipped them either way, but hey didn't do a thing until they were 30 yards away and started flapping their gums.
 
I try to stay away from fights,but when i have to fight,i always fight to survive,not to win. I'll grab twist and pull,if i have to :) I prefer chokes,though
 
Chokes are great assuming his friends ain't around. I love a good choke. :D I'm on way to train right now. I'll choke someone out for you.
 
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