More food on cycle = more growth?

[brutalbuilt]

I know I wasn’t disagreeing with you in the slightest I completely agree. I hate how focused on staying lean everyone is now. I’m a firm believer in gaining a fair chunk of fat in order to put on some serious size. Asfer Choudry (coach) preaches that if you want to add inches onto body parts, you better fucking eat like your life depends on it

same look at my profile pic thats peak offseason bulk on my 2nd ever gear cycle and im only running minimal gear pushing food and training hard

 

[mrsloppyboo]

same look at my profile pic thats peak offseason bulk on my 2nd ever gear cycle and im only running minimal gear pushing food and training hard

Looking like a total beefcake brother

 

[brutalbuilt]

Looking like a total beefcake brother

i learned a lot about growing from fouad abiad he always preaches bulking hard to get huge and he got big as fuck and it worked for me check out his videos

 

[mrsloppyboo]

i learned a lot about growing from fouad abiad he always preaches bulking hard to get huge and he got big as fuck and it worked for me check out his videos

Just give him a follow, thanks brother

 

[dinfar1337]

First of all I appreciate you not just shutting on me and calling me a retard for running these doses. I know I’m young, and have only been on gear a year so I don’t know everything. However, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that MORE DRUGS = MORE GROWTH. Of course only if the diet and training can keep up with it. I’m trying to stop listening to the dudes telling me to take it easy and just keep growing on 500 test (which is basically everyone) “That’s all you need at your size”. Imagine if Nick Walker or Derek Lunsford listened to them early in their career. At the end of the day I’m just a sikkunt doing sikkunt things

no no no. at the end of the day im just sharing my thoughts and they might be wrong or they might be somewhat right. i think im not a profesional or anything, ive shared my view of fixing everything you can diet wise; training wise; supplement wise pretty great i think. dial all those in and play with the dosages however you want. im running gram of test, 600eq, 200mg deca 6iu hgh myself. ive tiltrated fairly slow up to these dosages and im planning to go even higher but i do it slow instead of a big jump. i try to leverage everything to my best to ride out growth for as long as i can.

going from 1g test to 2g test will only yield you so much growth; without using 1g of test as best as you can, more realistically jump up few hundred migs every cycle. i dont know how old you are but in my plan if you're starting 300 test cycle at 18 and you run 6 month cycles you're basically 1g test alone at 22 or 23.

i dont encourage anyone to jump on at a early age but my approach defiently seeks to aim for best growth approach with least harm.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

no no no. at the end of the day im just sharing my thoughts and they might be wrong or they might be somewhat right. i think im not a profesional or anything, ive shared my view of fixing everything you can diet wise; training wise; supplement wise pretty great i think. dial all those in and play with the dosages however you want. im running gram of test, 600eq, 200mg deca 6iu hgh myself. ive tiltrated fairly slow up to these dosages and im planning to go even higher but i do it slow instead of a big jump. i try to leverage everything to my best to ride out growth for as long as i can.

going from 1g test to 2g test will only yield you so much growth; without using 1g of test as best as you can, more realistically jump up few hundred migs every cycle. i dont know how old you are but in my plan if you're starting 300 test cycle at 18 and you run 6 month cycles you're basically 1g test alone at 22 or 23.

I agree. I’m going from 750mg last time to 1.25g of test. Still a large jump but not unheard of. I’m starting tomorrow at 750 test 400 tren for 10 weeks before I go to 1.25g test 600 tren 900eq for another 24 weeks. HGH starts week 6 when it arrives and I’ll taper up the dose to 8-10iu for the whole cycle adding in slin week 16

 

[malfeasance]

i learned a lot about growing from fouad abiad he always preaches bulking hard to get huge and he got big as fuck and it worked for me check out his videos

"No one says healthy but it can be healthier than the way I did it. A lot of bodybuilders bury their head in the sand and pretend they’re fine, which is what I did too. You don’t have to. There’s so much now too."

-- Fouad Abiad

 

[malfeasance]

“I don’t want to end up on dialysis” - Fouad Abiad reveals he quit pro bodybuilding due to kidney struggles

Fouad Abiad is a former Canadian professional bodybuilder of Lebanese descent.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[malfeasance]

My advice is to use enough gear to gain and no more.

My advice is to eat enough to gain, which means putting on some fat, duh, but no more.

At 169 pounds you simply do not need the kind of doses you are talking about to gain muscle. You can gain off of a lot less. Save the higher doses for when you are bigger and you need them. Like I said, there is an IFBB pro here on the forum who has never run the type of doses you are talking about. As you get bigger, yes, you are going to need more to keep adding size. It's true. But running high doses at 169 pounds, now, is futile.

You are just asking for a bunch of side effects and health impacts with no extra size. You can only grow so much muscle in a short period of time. Injecting 10 grams won't grow 50 pounds in a month. I wish it worked that way, mrsloppyboo, but it doesn't. As I wrote above, it takes time. It takes years to get where you want to be. You cannot do it in one cycle, and pushing the dosages won't make it happen. I am just telling you the blunt truth.

If you hold up as idols guys who are dead or have ruined their health, then at least listen to the one who is still alive tell you to do it healthier than the way he did it.

 

[dinfar1337]

My advice is to use enough gear to gain and no more.

My advice is to eat enough to gain, which means putting on some fat, duh, but no more.

At 169 pounds you simply do not need the kind of doses you are talking about to gain muscle. You can gain off of a lot less. Save the higher doses for when you are bigger and you need them. Like I said, there is an IFBB pro here on the forum who has never run the type of doses you are talking about. As you get bigger, yes, you are going to need more. At your size, however, you are just asking for a bunch of side effects and health impacts with no extra size. You can only grow so much muscle in a short period of time. Injecting 10 grams won't grow 50 pounds in a month. I wish it worked that way, mrsloppyboo, but it doesn't. As I wrote above, it takes time. It takes years to get where you want to be. You cannot do it in one cycle, and pushing the dosages won't make it happen. I am just telling you the blunt truth.

If you hold up as idols guys who are dead or have ruined their health, then at least listen to the one who is still alive tell you to do it healthier than the way he did it.

leverage more stuff only when growing stalls. at 169 i personally wouldnt go above 500-600mg test at max. i havent even leveraged insulin yet at 230lbs almost

 

[brutalbuilt]

"No one says healthy but it can be healthier than the way I did it. A lot of bodybuilders bury their head in the sand and pretend they’re fine, which is what I did too. You don’t have to. There’s so much now too."

-- Fouad Abiad

i wasnt talking about the gear part just the food

 

[CraneKraken]

oh yeah, if you pin it subQ the onset is like 30min but if you pin it IM its more like log where its onset is 10-15min but it lasts a bit longer but considering you are so new to it, id just stick to postworkout first to see how you respond and tolerate it and then add a preworkout dose with your preworkout meal.

Its not rocket science, just cover the window you use insulin with enough carbs and make sure it fits into your diet so you dont end up overconsuming calories and get fat.

I would argue that pwo would be better, IF you have enough pre-workout carbs in you and use something like an intraworkout drink, or even a regular Gatorade -I load mine up with my EAA's and creatine. I also keep glucose tablets in my car just to be safe. The strength gain and pump I get taking slin pwo has been huge. I only recently started using it post as well, but if I could only choose one I'd go pre-workout every time.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I would argue that pwo would be better, IF you have enough pre-workout carbs in you and use something like an intraworkout drink, or even a regular Gatorade -I load mine up with my EAA's and creatine. I also keep glucose tablets in my car just to be safe. The strength gain and pump I get taking slin pwo has been huge. I only recently started using it post as well, but if I could only choose one I'd go pre-workout every time.

You use R type insulin pre and post? Pre as in right before or 30 min prior? Subq or IM? Sorry for so many questions I want to understand all there is to using R type insulin for growth

 

[CraneKraken]

No worries, brotha. The more information you can acquire the better. If you go on YT and search, "insulin use in bodybuilding" you'll find a ton of great content from guys like Milos Sarcev (basically an insulin guru) and podcasts on protocols by channels like Think Big Bodybuilding. You'll get a lot out of just listening to those podcasts.

I've been using gear off an on for 20+yrs but I'm not super experienced with insulin, having only started using it this year. So I'm still experimenting and evolving to see what works best for me. I make sure to check my glucose levels multiple times throughout the day and I keep a fairly strict logbook. I match the insulin to the carbs I eat as opposed to the other way around, and have found the standard 1iu of slin per 10 grams of carbs consumed works for me. I generally shoot for 80 to 100 grams of carbs 60 - 90 mins before the gym (oatmeal w/protein powder and banana or apple). 30 minutes before the gym I inject sub-q 8 - 10iu of the rapid acting insulin. Like I said in that previous post, I put 10 grams of creatine and 15grams of EAA's in 28oz bottle of regular Gatorade to drink throughout my workour. I also keep glucose tabs on me just to be safe. The strength gains and pump in the gym have been phenomenal since I added in the slin. Recently I added it to my recovery meal, using the same ratio of 10/1, as long as the post workout meal is lower in fat. I've only felt hypo symptoms once, which was easy enough to fix with some snacks loaded with simple carbs.

I'm also currently using between 8 - 10iu of GH and there's a lot of mixed opinions on when to dose insulin in regard to the GH. I'm currently keeping them separate. The few days I dosed them together I noticed my stomach would get that distended hard bloat, similar to that "GH gut" all the pros in the 90's had. In my case it seems due to the insulin, as I never had it on the GH alone.

I also have a few Lantus pens but I don't seem to get as much out of them as I do the rapid. I may start dabbling with them once my entire diet is back on point and every meal is consumed with a goal in mind. For now the pre and post workout rapid slin is working well so I don't want to mess with that, especially since I'm still a relative novice when it comes to insulin.

Hope that helps. Apologies for the long reply. A lot goes into insulin use and it can be complicated at first but once you get it down the results are undeniable.