Most sustainable way using PEDs - User opinions

[Daddy Rabbit]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere a good reading on total testosterone is a reading of 5-7 times the dose.
So say on a 500 mgs weekly dose readings would be 2,500-3,500 ng/dl total testosterone.

Less than that then the testosterone could be under dosed or over that testosterone could be over dosed or something to that effect.
Has anyone else ever heard of this ratio?

 

[LGOP528]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere a good reading on total testosterone is a reading of 5-7 times the dose.
So say on a 500 mgs weekly dose readings would be 2,500-3,500 ng/dl total testosterone.

Less than that then the testosterone could be under dosed or over that testosterone could be over dosed or something to that effect.
Has anyone else ever heard of this ratio?

Yes, you are wrong.

The bloodwork I just posted was pharmaceutical and administered by a nurse in a clinic. Also had the same results with a different clinic and with ugl.

You are clearly not paying attention. All of this is very individual.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere a good reading on total testosterone is a reading of 5-7 times the dose.
So say on a 500 mgs weekly dose readings would be 2,500-3,500 ng/dl total testosterone.

Less than that then the testosterone could be under dosed or over that testosterone could be over dosed or something to that effect.
Has anyone else ever heard of this ratio?

That's around the average response but being above or below certainly does not mean your gear is over or under dosed. Some people just aren't great responders and need more and vice versa

 

[readalot]

Yes, you are wrong.

The bloodwork I just posted was pharmaceutical and administered by a nurse in a clinic. Also had the same results with a different clinic and with ugl.

You are clearly not paying attention. All of this is very individual.

You shared E7D trough. Mean would be roughly 50 to 70% higher and peak double.

 

[readalot]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere a good reading on total testosterone is a reading of 5-7 times the dose.
So say on a 500 mgs weekly dose readings would be 2,500-3,500 ng/dl total testosterone.

Less than that then the testosterone could be under dosed or over that testosterone could be over dosed or something to that effect.
Has anyone else ever heard of this ratio?

R

Post in thread 'Tool to Assess your TT dose response --Percentile Curves'

Oct 5, 2023

Linear version of graph....
You can use regression equations from Bi 2018 study to get low, mean, high estimates for TT level vs weekly equivalent dose.



Here’s the mean TT level (ng/dl) for 70. mg/week of Test Cypionate (see equations on chart below):

2.5 percentile response = 360
50 percentile response = 630
97.5 percentile response = 1200

Don't forget to use this table to convert your blood work result (trough) on given dosing protocol to mean:


Table: conversion between peak/trough/mean for first order absorption/elimination PK model assuming 4.5 day elimination...

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"TRT" graph:

R

Thread 'Tool to Assess your TT dose response --Percentile Curves'

Oct 5, 2023

Continuing the dose response thread over here. This would be a great place to crowdsource data.

Tool to Assess your TT Dose Response -- Percentile Curves

Summary: Tools to estimate your individual dose response for injectable testosterone ester in comparison to a normal distribution (95 percentile confidence estimate) of adult males (Ref). Plot below shows a summary of data from (1) clinical trials gathered from the literature + (2)...

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readalot (aka tareload) introduction

Hello Fellow Body Dysmorphia [sic] sufferers. Looks like I have made to to the audition at Meso (after ExcelMale and I have basically parted ways and TNation as well haha). Spent years on TNation and ExcelMale under the handle Readalot and then Tareload (long and silly story). If you are really...

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I will post up the requirements for sharing user data. A chart with FT vs dose would be better but unfortunately that's not how the history of analytical chemistry with serum testosterone shook out.

Previously I compared published pharmacokinetic studies against user data taken via...

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[LGOP528]

You shared E7D trough. Mean would be roughly 50 to 70% higher and peak double.

No, it is the same for 4 days a week too.

 

[readalot]

No, it is the same for 4 days a week too.

No what? What is the same?

You shared providers notes with E7D labs.

??

 

[LGOP528]

R

Post in thread 'Tool to Assess your TT dose response --Percentile Curves'

Oct 5, 2023

Linear version of graph....
You can use regression equations from Bi 2018 study to get low, mean, high estimates for TT level vs weekly equivalent dose.



Here’s the mean TT level (ng/dl) for 70. mg/week of Test Cypionate (see equations on chart below):

2.5 percentile response = 360
50 percentile response = 630
97.5 percentile response = 1200

Don't forget to use this table to convert your blood work result (trough) on given dosing protocol to mean:


Table: conversion between peak/trough/mean for first order absorption/elimination PK model assuming 4.5 day elimination...

• readalot

• 
• 

"TRT" graph:

R

Thread 'Tool to Assess your TT dose response --Percentile Curves'

Oct 5, 2023

Continuing the dose response thread over here. This would be a great place to crowdsource data.

Tool to Assess your TT Dose Response -- Percentile Curves

Summary: Tools to estimate your individual dose response for injectable testosterone ester in comparison to a normal distribution (95 percentile confidence estimate) of adult males (Ref). Plot below shows a summary of data from (1) clinical trials gathered from the literature + (2)...

forums.t-nation.com

readalot (aka tareload) introduction

Hello Fellow Body Dysmorphia [sic] sufferers. Looks like I have made to to the audition at Meso (after ExcelMale and I have basically parted ways and TNation as well haha). Spent years on TNation and ExcelMale under the handle Readalot and then Tareload (long and silly story). If you are really...

thinksteroids.com

I will post up the requirements for sharing user data. A chart with FT vs dose would be better but unfortunately that's not how the history of analytical chemistry with serum testosterone shook out.

Previously I compared published pharmacokinetic studies against user data taken via...

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I have to be up at 4 am, I’ll deal with you tomorrow.

 

[readalot]

I have to be up at 4 am, I’ll deal with you tomorrow.

Very rude. Don't bother. Get some rest.

 

[readalot]

On 200 mg my TT was round 400. My final TRT dose from a clinic was 320 mg and only got me to 800 TT

Once a week and blood was drawn right before injection. I was at maybe 900 when I went to 4 injections a week with the same dose.

That's a fun case study.

 

[glpfun]

200 mg of test and a gram of mast… nobody ever dies from mast

 

[LGOP528]

Mean would be roughly 50 to 70% higher and peak double.

Where did you get these numbers?

You shared providers notes with E7D labs.

Yes, because it had everything I needed to support my claim.

You shared E7D trough

You don’t do your bloodwork at the trough?

That's a fun case study.

I learn a lot more by putting in the work and testing things for myself. Plus my whole point has been that AAS responses are very individual. .

What point are you trying to make here?

 

[readalot]

Where did you get these numbers?


Yes, because it had everything I needed to support my claim.


You don’t do your bloodwork at the trough?



I learn a lot more by putting in the work and testing things for myself. Plus my whole point has been that AAS responses are very individual. .

What point are you trying to make here?

You may want to read the thread linked above if you would like answers to your questions.

 

[LGOP528]

You may want to read the thread linked above if you would like answers to your questions.

I don’t have a log in and I am asking you to back up your claim, I am not looking through pages of your bullshit for proof.

 

[LGOP528]

Apparently some people don’t understand that if you make a claim that it is your responsibility to back it up.

I made a claim, its validity was questioned, I provided my bloodwork. Really not a hard concept.
Redalot makes a generic claim, I ask where it came from, he provides threads, one of which starts out how he got banned from other boards, then tells me to go find it.

Then his groupies down vote me.

 

[Sampei]

I don’t have a log in and I am asking you to back up your claim, I am not looking through pages of your bullshit for proof.

Man it's your attitude the downvote, why call some other ppl posts bullshit when readalot most if not every time post studies or information that comes from the medical fields. You can disagree or even prove him wrong, it shot like he is infallible but keep it civil

 

[readalot]

Apparently some people don’t understand that if you make a claim that it is your responsibility to back it up.

I made a claim, its validity was questioned, I provided my bloodwork. Really not a hard concept.
Redalot makes a generic claim, I ask where it came from, he provides threads, one of which starts out how he got banned from other boards, then tells me to go find it.

Then his groupies down vote me.

I provided links to two Meso posts in one thread here at Meso. I assume you can access them since you are posting here at Meso.

You mentioned your e7d injection protocol only got you to 800 to paraphrase. It didn't get you only to 800. That's your trough or the lowest point during the week. A little more work to convert that to mean serum level and I provided you the table in a Meso thread to do the math. If you want to understand the math better I've provided info you can explore if curious and want to learn more (PK models of injectable testostorone using clearance and distribution volume ranges from clinical studies). I also provided you a table showing the 2.5, 50, and 97.5%tile response for mean serum TT level vs weekly dose of Test ester in a Meso thread. Your results are yours but far from typical.

Take care.

 

[LGOP528]

Man it's your attitude the downvote, why call some other ppl posts bullshit when readalot most if not every time post studies or information that comes from the medical fields. You can disagree or even prove him wrong, it shot like he is infallible but keep it civil

That is fair but my attitude is reflective of his over all shit stirring all over this board. I also get the impression that he is the fake it until you make it type. While I might have been direct it was for a reason.

Have our interactions not been civil?

 

[readalot]

I am not looking through pages of your bullshit for proof.

Here's your problem. For someone with an engineering degree who has taken upper level math I am a little shocked at your lack of self discipline. Ok maybe surprised, not shocked.

 

[LGOP528]

I provided links to two Meso posts in one thread here at Meso. I assume you can access them since you are posting here at Meso.

You mentioned your e7d injection protocol only got you to 800 to paraphrase. It didn't get you only to 800. That's your trough or the lowest point during the week. A little more work to convert that to mean serum level and I provided you the table in a Meso thread to do the math. If you want to understand the math better I've provided info you can explore if curious and want to learn more (PK models of injectable testostorone using clearance and distribution volume ranges from clinical studies). I also provided you a table showing the 2.5, 50, and 97.5%tile response for mean serum TT level vs weekly dose of Test ester in a Meso thread.

Take care.

When do you do your bloodwork?