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That's what I'm saying shadow... Noticing similar trends. I know I only had to take 650mg test e and 500mg tren and I jumped 30lbs by week 10 and put 100 lbs on my bench working sets, then 150lbs on my 1rm deadlift.

Some of these people are on kickstarters and 3-4 compounds with no sides or weight and I'm like, wut?

Im just finding it odd no one else has voiced any concerns with this ugl and the ones that have tend to have them brushed under the rug as hearsay or non reliable because they havent gotten blood work. Im not going to go as far as to say I dont need blood work. But I will say ive done enough cycles to know if gear is dosed low or not. Or said compound is bunk.
 
I am running low dosage on prop and tren this week. Will up next week to 50mg prop and 75mg tren ed. Had a little bit of a sweat last night. Stats 5 10 265 13% bf .
Damn..luckys got 50 lbs on me!!!that's pretty big (im the same height)
That's a very good gain there ....so tell me did this improve your overall chest development?Im about where you were on bench and fighting to get to the reclusive 315 for 8-12 on work sets.
My upper chest into my pecs were always big cause I also have big delts but chest didn't really get much bigger as my strength went up...AS SOON as I started doing working sets of 225-250 on the decline bench and then decline machine after...weeks later my chest definitely started getting way more fuller...
(and I definitely hit ALOT harder when fighting...but DAMN my cardio sucks now..i get so tired fast..and im sweating SOO much its embarrassing..)
That's what I'm saying shadow... Noticing similar trends. I know I only had to take 650mg test e and 500mg tren and I jumped 30lbs by week 10 and put 100 lbs on my bench working sets, then 150lbs on my 1rm deadlift.

Some of these people are on kickstarters and 3-4 compounds with no sides or weight and I'm like, wut?

Here is my honest update I have running test 500 eq 500 and npp 400. I'm 6 weeks in on test and eq and 4 weeks in npp. Strength is up and more vascular but I'm upping my test to 750. I'm not getting the sides I'm use to with test. I've ran it before so I know how my body reacts. I haven't ran any AI on during this. Usually on test I need to keep my bloat down. I'm use to itchy nipples and hair growing extra fast on my chest on arms. I haven't had any of that or the raging hard ons. I'm use to a few pounds of bloat and i haven't gained a pound yet in 6 weeks. I've posted my diet so it's not That I don't know my macros. That is my honest update so far I'm hoping upping the test will help. Not bashing or looking for complaints. Just my honest opinion. Thanks

Another bad batch of test?noooooooo ricky say it isn't so lol
 
I've seen all the complaints as well, but no one is getting bloods. ???

GB I completely agree but you also need to see the broader picture here. This isnt the first concern, I've read a few.....from the labmax var to bad prop. Also to a lot of guys complaining about no sides or not feeling the usual effects. Something just doesn't add up. There is another ugl on here and im not goimg to mention because I dont want anyone to think im coming from him. I have bever ordered from him but ive read his thread from page 1-400 plus and I dont see the same problems from him.
 
Damn..luckys got 50 lbs on me!!!that's pretty big (im the same height)

My upper chest into my pecs were always big cause I also have big delts but chest didn't really get much bigger as my strength went up...AS SOON as I started doing working sets of 225-250 on the decline bench and then decline machine after...weeks later my chest definitely started getting way more fuller...
(and I definitely hit ALOT harder when fighting...but DAMN my cardio sucks now..i get so tired fast..and im sweating SOO much its embarrassing..)




Another bad batch of test?noooooooo ricky say it isn't so lol

No one is saying that, read before you speak.
 
Im just finding it odd no one else has voiced any concerns with this ugl and the ones that have tend to have them brushed under the rug as hearsay or non reliable because they havent gotten blood work. Im not going to go as far as to say I dont need blood work. But I will say ive done enough cycles to know if gear is dosed low or not. Or said compound is bunk.

Blood work wouldn't mean anything with me as I've already been on another labs test 5-6 weeks before going to MFL's. I was concerned a little because when I pin it there is absolutely no pain at all and compare it to a time when I mistakenly pinned straight oil. But maybe this is just really smooth stuff ...

I have more proven test so if I feel this is under dosed, I'll switch. I'll give it a little longer as It'll be easy for me to tell being real sensitive to test ; if I go close to 450-500 a week I get sore nipples right away. I'm not complaining , if it's low dosed I'll [pick up some Test 400 somewhere and use this stuff to cut it. I can't complain with the price , with the sale and free shipping it was the cheapest Test I ever bought.
 
Kind of worried now. But I'm not gonna jump the gun, until I see bloods or get my own. I am going into week 4 of a 500mg Test Cyp cycle with a front load of prop 100mg EOD. No sore nips, but I've put on 10lbs in the first few weeks and have the raging boner issue that I've experienced with other cycles of test. Hopefully the issue will come to light or rectify itself with blood work or labmaxes on these recent batches.
 
I am in week 3 of prop libido is up acne also. Not much strength gains or anything. I can't tell a difference in physique/progress. I am cutting right now and running the prop at 70mg ed. I might be able to get bloods, but depends on if I have enough money.
 
Look there use to be a time that guys would of gotten smeared by people for saying things with out bloods. At least that part has changed if you are going off of feel of course you are welcome to stop running a lab but it is still unproven that anything is off. As long as something remains inconclusive everybody has to rely on their experiences right or wrong. So at least they are not being blasted for expressing their opinions but can be only taken as their experience and inconclusive. Let's see some blood work and move into a more conclusive environment if not then you are only left to your own inconclusive experiences. Which is fine but only for the individual and not for the group as a whole.
 
My comment wasnt for MFL as much as it was for the rest of the members. The ones that ignore any less then positive comments and keep kissing a UGL's ass instead of asking questions and creating a debate. This forum and ALL its members have a right and an obligation to talk about experiences with a said ugl. This gives any new members an in site on which one that suites them best. It also keeps the labs honest. My comments under no uncertain terms in any way were questioning mfl or its reps. My problem is that several members have had questionable experiences with them and other memebers show no concern other then to kiss a ugl ass. Mfl imo has gone above and beyond in many circumstances. But all memebers need to read the posts that all members leave and ask questions that pertain to the issue....not look the other way. All experiences should be welcomed and all comments should be up for debate is all im saying.
 
My comment wasnt for MFL as much as it was for the rest of the members. The ones that ignore any less then positive comments and keep kissing a UGL's ass instead of asking questions and creating a debate. This forum and ALL its members have a right and an obligation to talk about experiences with a said ugl. This gives any new members an in site on which one that suites them best. It also keeps the labs honest. My comments under no uncertain terms in any way were questioning mfl or its reps. My problem is that several members have had questionable experiences with them and other memebers show no concern other then to kiss a ugl ass. Mfl imo has gone above and beyond in many circumstances. But all memebers need to read the posts that all members leave and ask questions that pertain to the issue....not look the other way. All experiences should be welcomed and all comments should be up for debate is all im saying.

Debate requires more than anecdotal evidence to be valid. No one is looking the other way, this gear is in my blood so I'm fairly concerned.

I definitely understand and agree with what you're saying, I just wish there were actual numbers to look at. I had blood drawn early today just to give people something legitimate to argue about so I'll post them in a few days.
 
Don't think for a second that these comments are going unnoticed. I can't speak for other members but I haven't been vocal on the matter because as it sits right now, they are just words. How you "feel" on a certain compound is completely subjective. Post some blood work. Hell Ricky said he would give $50 store credit for posting said blood work. Is this not correct GB?
 
Don't think for a second that these comments are going unnoticed. I can't speak for other members but I haven't been vocal on the matter because as it sits right now, they are just words. How you "feel" on a certain compound is completely subjective. Post some blood work. Hell Ricky said he would give $50 store credit for posting said blood work. Is this not correct GB?

Correct. And if your test will show above 1500 and show the actual numbers he will give you $60....
I encourage people to get blood work cause you need to do it anyways for your own sake.
 
I am running 500mg test cyp every week. I am starting week 4 this week. I feel stronger in the gym, no raging boners, no increase in sex drive, I actually just took a 2hr nap cause I was tired. Up ~5lbs. I pretty much feel the same now as I did before the cycle. I know long esters take longer but in two weeks we'll know for sure. I get bloods (test is already scheduled) and I made sure to schedule the test to get a real test number and not >1500.
 
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I am scheduling an appointment for bloods today as well. As I stated before I didn't come here to stir things up for any members. I have actually talked to big a few times and he seems like a great guy and hasn't said anything negative to me about me comments. I am going off how I feel yea. If you have looked at my logs and seen my pics I've posted I know my nutrition and my body and not some 20 year old kid who thinks just taking gear will make me huge. I know it's hard work and dedication plus diet is majority of it. Gear is a boost for sure. I just know how MY body has reacted in the past to test. I haven't even ran an AI yet like I mentioned. I'm use to the fat raccoon face and itchy nips then I go to my AI at either .25 every other day or if worse .50 I start low and work up depending on MY sides no one else's. I don't expect magic I was looking for a good 5-7 pounds of lean gains not 20 pounds of bloat so I'm a realist on a cycle. I will get bloods just to show everyone I'm not here to mess with anyone just posting my experiences which is why I like this open board. I will go to lab crop and get actually numbers so there is no
Confusion. Thanks everyone for listening and not bashing me for posting my cycle so far
 
Which test do I need to show actual test numbers my doc does 1500 doesn't go higher I'm going to labcop and filling it out right now so I know to get the exact blood work I need to get done. Thanks for any info
 
Which test do I need to show actual test numbers my doc does 1500 doesn't go higher I'm going to labcop and filling it out right now so I know to get the exact blood work I need to get done. Thanks for any info

I e-mailed labcorp and I told them what I wanted and they directed me to get the
Hormone Panel with F&T Testosterone LC/MS-MS. It will give you a real test number along with your FSH, LH, E and blood panel as well. It is ~$20 more (make sure to use a coupon) than the Female Hormone test but mid-cycle is the only time I'd order this test because it's the only time I really want a true test #. Pre-cycle and Post PCT, your test won't be >1500, so you can opt for the cheaper test.
 
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