MuscleJuice - US domestic source

[readalot]

www.musclejuice.org/price-list/

That's what he states he is selling. Only one way to know what he is selling.

 

[BigNoOne]

That's what he states he is selling. Only one way to know what he is selling.

Yes. HPLC testing.

 

[readalot]

Yes. HPLC testing.

I hope you are right.

Post in thread 'MuscleJuice - US domestic source'

Nov 10, 2024

You’re in this guys thread trying to speak for the community pushing your “look at me, I’m so smart” testing agenda.

You haven’t even demonstrated the “WHY” anyone should CARE!

Hopeful you are following closely.



Appreciate the feedback on all this.

• readalot

 

[BigNoOne]

I hope you are right.

Post in thread 'MuscleJuice - US domestic source'

Nov 10, 2024

You’re in this guys thread trying to speak for the community pushing your “look at me, I’m so smart” testing agenda.

You haven’t even demonstrated the “WHY” anyone should CARE!

Hopeful you are following closely.



Appreciate the feedback on all this.

• readalot

Why would you test for metals that aren’t there? Do you know how much copper, or iron would be “harmful”? What’s the purpose of testing for those?

 

[readalot]

Why would you test for metals that aren’t there? Do you know how much copper, or iron would be “harmful”? What’s the purpose of testing for those?

Ok, don't read the linked posts. Take care.

There is no way to thoughtfully communicate with you as you aren't acting in a good faith manner to have a rational conversation. I bid you a good day.

 

[iris]

Why would you test for metals that aren’t there? Do you know how much copper, or iron would be “harmful”? What’s the purpose of testing for those?

I had a look at the "lab tests" link that a member provided on the first page of this thread.
I am very ignorant about all this, so you will have to help me out with some explaining, if you don't mind.
First of all, those tests are extremely old.
For some reason, there is even one dating back to 2019.
Why it is still there, idk. Maybe they forgot about it.

The more "recent" ones, e.g. January 2024, appear to have been done by the manufacturer (not the reseller, which this guy is, as you point out) and related to a specific batch.
So, the fact he has not engaged with any testing himself, that you may be receiving a completely different batch from the one that was tested, that the testing is so out of date and inadequate is OK to you?
It's a genuine question.
Idk if you buy from any ugl here but if you do, do you look for/ask for tests of the latest batch produced, or are you happy to see what they have posted last year and make your purchase in relation to that?

Also, even allowing for metal testing to be something you and others deem irrelevant, you also think that sterility testing for these products is not and should not be necessary?

Is it because the products here come in nice little boxes, so the assumption is that they are legit and g2g, in every possible way, or does it apply to something that reaches you inside a box that says "Aloe Vera face masks", too?

 

[readalot]

you also think that sterility testing for these products is not and should not be necessary?

From the source's FAQ page:

https://www.musclejuice.org/faq/

DO YOUR PRODUCTS UNDERGO LABORATORY TESTS?
Most of our products are laboratory tested by independent reputable laboratories such as JANOSHIK. All tests are performed using validated methods including HPLC and microbiological analysis.

microbiological analysis?

Where are those tests? Prove it.

Drug addicts love to be lied to. Is that the takeaway?

Where is the vetting on Meso? What happened?

 

[iris]

From the source's FAQ page:

https://www.musclejuice.org/faq/

microbiological analysis?

Where are those tests? Prove it.

Drug addicts love to be lied to. Is that the takeaway?

Well, I am a retard but I could not see any of that, just old stuff.
I hope this gentleman will explain it to me, though.
Thanks

 

[readalot]

I am a retard

Definitely not buying that!

This is getting old and tiresome. So much bullshit. I can't even get someone to read a post. Lol.

 

[iris]

Definitely not buying that!

I admit to and know my limitations.
There are many smart, eloquent and cultured people, here.
I am not in that league but I can read and, sometimes, work a few things out.
I am not quite sure what this gentleman is trying to say, in his replies to you.
They do not make a lot of sense, when one looks at what this reseller provides (that is, zero) in terms of proof that he is selling legitimate and safe products.
But I look forward to hearing from him.

 

[readalot]

I admit to and know my limitations.
There are many smart, eloquent and cultured people, here.
I am not in that league but I can read and, sometimes, work a few things out.
I am not quite sure what this gentleman is trying to say, in his replies to you.
They do not make a lot of sense, when one looks at what this reseller provides (that is, zero) in terms of proof that he is selling legitimate and safe products.
But I look forward to hearing from him.

Your Member status is well deserved. You are a real benefit to this forum. Thanks for being here and calling it like you see it no matter what that is.

I am thankful you are free of the cope.

 

[BigNoOne]

Ok, don't read the linked posts. Take care.

There is no way to thoughtfully communicate with you as you aren't acting in a good faith manner to have a rational conversation. I bid you a good day.

I’ve read all of your linked posts.

Me: asking about metals

You: link to the various testosterone compounds that didn’t fully form.

Me: You still haven’t identified anything in any of these tests that are a concern.

You: link to something else unrelated.

It’s circular.

You did an absolute amazing job of warning us and scaring us about metals, endotoxins, residual solvents. Hell, you even put your money where your mouth is and tested for it in your projects. But you have yet to provide ONE shred of evidence to support your concerns.

Hey sources, we want demand that you spend extra money to look for something that’s not there. Then you can slap a “premium” sticker on that vial and sell it to us for $5 more per vial.

‍idk… Tell us why‍!

He’s gonna send me another link.

 

[BigNoOne]

I had a look at the "lab tests" link that a member provided on the first page of this thread.
I am very ignorant about all this, so you will have to help me out with some explaining, if you don't mind.
First of all, those tests are extremely old.
For some reason, there is even one dating back to 2019.
Why it is still there, idk. Maybe they forgot about it.

The more "recent" ones, e.g. January 2024, appear to have been done by the manufacturer (not the reseller, which this guy is, as you point out) and related to a specific batch.
So, the fact he has not engaged with any testing himself, that you may be receiving a completely different batch from the one that was tested, that the testing is so out of date and inadequate is OK to you?
It's a genuine question.

I think he should do more HPLC testing

That’s a no-brainer.

Idk if you buy from any ugl here but if you do, do you look for/ask for tests of the latest batch produced, or are you happy to see what they have posted last year and make your purchase in relation to that?

Yes absolutely I look for UGLs that test. I go further and look for UGLs that have blind testing and incentives for customers to perform blind testing. That’s transparency. I’ve sent samples to Jano and Lab4Tox for testing over the years.

Also, even allowing for metal testing to be something you and others deem irrelevant, you also think that sterility testing for these products is not and should not be necessary?

Is it necessary? One vial can be sterile and the 10-20 next to it could have shit in them. What’s that one vial tell us? How often do you see guys developing infections? How is testing for sterility going to prevent that. A reported infection kills a source. Floaters usually kill a source.

Is it because the products here come in nice little boxes, so the assumption is that they are legit and g2g, in every possible way, or does it apply to something that reaches you inside a box that says "Aloe Vera face masks", too?

I’ve never purchased anything in a pretty box here. Why would anyone. I only purchase stuff that’s been tested and I’ve also sent samples to Jano over the years.

 

[BigNoOne]

Back to @MuscleJuice cause you’re not off the hook.

What are you proposing for your product testing? How many samples are you going to send to confirm dosing? How frequent are you going to do more testing?

This benefits you as well as your customers. Without sending your own samples for testing how do you know your supplier isn’t charging you real money for shit product?

Are you going to offer a $300 credit to customers for blind testing?

 

[readalot]

Me: asking about metals

We covered the metals in my thread. You asked and I answered very clearly. The question then is are we done or continue surveillance.

You: link to the various testosterone compounds that didn’t fully form.

That is open question. Is HPLC accurately measuring concentration of active Test ester? Unrelated?

If HPLC comes back at 96% and the actual content of active hormone is 80%, that's unrelated?

Me: You still haven’t identified anything in any of these tests that are a concern.

Still waiting for endotoxins on rest of raws and finished oil. You seem ready to declare we are done when the data is not all back.

Circular? I don't see it that way. We continue to differ on the money that should be spent for surveillance. You deem HPLC sufficient. I fall closer to pharma surveillance.

I think that covers it. In my little projects what percent of the AAS universe have I tested?

I shouldn't push for sources to pay for surveillance? No grounds at all for the tests I am offering up here?

Let's be clear...we've not even scratched the surface of some of these tests. No one knows the answer. So only one way to find out. Surveillance and testing. I am willing to do more than my fair share to get this started.

 

[BigNoOne]

Circular? I don't see it that way. We continue to differ on the money that should be spent for surveillance. You deem HPLC sufficient. I fall closer to pharma surveillance. I think that covers it. In my little projects what perfect of the AAS universe have I tested?

I know you tracked down one COA and someone else was able to get another one so you have pharma and compounded pharmacy covered.

Throughout that process, did you learn WHY the FDA has those analyses performed. I know it’s a QA/QC measure but if they require it, assumably there’s a reason. Is it every batch or what’s the frequency?

 

[readalot]

I know you tracked down one COA and someone else was able to get another one so you have pharma and compounded pharmacy covered.

I shared both of those COAs. Tracked them both down. Yes.

 

[readalot]

Throughout that process, did you learn WHY the FDA has those analyses performed. I know it’s a QA/QC measure but if they require it, assumably there’s a reason. Is it every batch or what’s the frequency?

It is USP standard for pharma product. Those tests reflect the inpurity specs for the product. In this case injectable AAS.

Yes, every batch is tested usually by selecting a certain number of units randomly from each batch. There's a whole guide to statistical analysis and designing a QC standard I shared a few days ago here. Probably way to much to expect in this realm I agree. Perhaps in time.

 

[BigNoOne]

It is USP standard for pharma product. In this case injectable AAS. Yes, every batch is tested usually by selecting a certain number of units randomly from each batch. There's a whole guide to statistical analysis and designing a QC standard I shared a few days ago here. Probably way too much to expect in this realm I agree. Perhaps in time.

Have you found anywhere that says those analyses sometimes reveal samples that do not “pass”?

I’m trying to establish the concern. If you establish that, then you’ll have mine and everyone’s support on this.

 

[readalot]

Have you found anywhere that says those analyses sometimes reveal samples that do not “pass”?

I’m trying to establish the concern. If you establish that, then you’ll have mine and everyone’s support on this.

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