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Bullet train

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Hey brothers and sisters of Meso looking for some serious advice!
@Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD
Please chime in, if you can... God bless you guys, and hope your doing very well in life...

So What I've done has been both reckless and wild on all accounts.
A 30 week cycle as follows...

March 11,2017 (first cycle started)

Test E 250MG 1-6
Test E 1G 7-12
Test Ace 100Mg 13-24
Test E 25-30 1G

Tren E 400MG 1-6
Tren E 800MG 7-12
Tren ace 1050Mg 13-24

Is PCT possible to restore natural levels within a timely manner? Or TRT for life? I went into this with the intention of blasting and cruising...

As of today, seeing a high blood pressure reading of 178/90 and also 160/88 which i didn't even have this high on tren 1050MG. (Usually it would never go higher than 140/80)
High blood pressure does run in my family. Although before all this I was around 120/70...

I'm putting myself on TRT at 150MG test E per week for either 3 months, or how ever long it takes to get my body healthy again. Work on cutting some and cardio.

For those that are Interested the 30 week blast, I went from 5'9 132lbs at 6% body fat age 21, to 5'9 180 lbs 10% body fat age 22.

This journey for me has been about aesthetics. I was initially inspired by Jeff sied and zyzz. (I know it was a terrible thing, I was young and confused, and am still young and confused, just not as confused!)

I love bodybuilding, I love life and I would like to do both as long as possible.

And for those that are about to flame this thread! Honestly, have a blast... It's crazy I know.

However, thank you to anyone and everyone who helps and offers meaningful advice!

God bless Everyone, and lets all be safe.
 
Bullet train said:
Hey brothers and sisters of Meso looking for some serious advice!
@Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD
Please chime in, if you can... God bless you guys, and hope your doing very well in life...

So What I've done has been both reckless and wild on all accounts.
A 30 week cycle as follows...

March 11,2017 (first cycle started)

Test E 250MG 1-6
Test E 1G 7-12
Test Ace 100Mg 13-24
Test E 25-30 1G

Tren E 400MG 1-6
Tren E 800MG 7-12
Tren ace 1050Mg 13-24

Is PCT possible to restore natural levels within a timely manner? Or TRT for life? I went into this with the intention of blasting and cruising...

As of today, seeing a high blood pressure reading of 178/90 and also 160/88 which i didn't even have this high on tren 1050MG. (Usually it would never go higher than 140/80)
High blood pressure does run in my family. Although before all this I was around 120/70...

I'm putting myself on TRT at 150MG test E per week for either 3 months, or how ever long it takes to get my body healthy again. Work on cutting some and cardio.

For those that are Interested the 30 week blast, I went from 5'9 132lbs at 6% body fat age 21, to 5'9 180 lbs 10% body fat age 22.

This journey for me has been about aesthetics. I was initially inspired by Jeff sied and zyzz. (I know it was a terrible thing, I was young and confused, and am still young and confused, just not as confused!)

I love bodybuilding, I love life and I would like to do both as long as possible.

And for those that are about to flame this thread! Honestly, have a blast... It's crazy I know.

However, thank you to anyone and everyone who helps and offers meaningful advice!

God bless Everyone, and lets all be safe.
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Keep the training and diet solid while on pct. I hardly loose any gains after my cycles.
 
I feel like absolute shit guys. My resting heart rate is also 102-104 beats per minute. Got a massive headache, and lifting today I felt light headed.

I'm thinking I'll probably just stick to TRT.... Ultimately over PCT. As you said @Test_Subject long cycles like this are counterproductive to cycling off...

And @Eman thanks for your reply also! You're right about following right in the path of zyzz... That's why I'm Not gonna let it happen. Also, thanks for the suggestion for Doc scallys power pct I looked it up. And was wowed by it. 9 weeks, and that's alot of clomid over 5 weeks. To be honest, that's not something I would ever even want to object myself too pyschologically. I already have Depression and anxiety... I'll keep it for my knowledge though.

Anyone with any advice at all, your more than welcome to chime in...

Thanks everyone and stay safe.
 
Bullet train said:
As you said @Test_Subject long cycles like this are counterproductive to cycling off...

And @Eman
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I don't think @Test_Subject or myself were suggesting that TRT was the answer here...

I suggest you come off and PCT. You've made poor decisions up to this point... TRT sounds like another one.

I believe TS was indicating that if you have a reasonable cycle, you can come off, recover, and go back to the next cycle. Instead, you're spending a long time on cycle, not making very much progress after 8-10 weeks then having to take an inordinate amount of time to recover. It's counterproductive.
 
Eman said:
I don't think @Test_Subject or myself were suggesting that TRT was the answer here...

I suggest you come off and PCT. You've made poor decisions up to this point... TRT sounds like another one.

I believe TS was indicating that if you have a reasonable cycle, you can come off, recover, and go back to the next cycle. Instead, you're spending a long time on cycle, not making very much progress after 8-10 weeks then having to take an inordinate amount of time to recover.
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Ok thanks! @Eman I know every one is different... But let's say I did a huge PCT like doc scallys protocol... Do you think I'll return to normal test levels? (Or what I had before I started)

*If this question is not answerable just let me know.
 
Bullet train said:
Ok thanks! @Eman I know every one is different... But let's say I did a huge PCT like doc scallys protocol... Do you think I'll return to normal test levels? (Or what I had before I started)

*If this question is not answerable just let me know.
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I believe they will come back with a solid PCT but even if I didn't believe that, I would still say it's worth trying before going straight to TRT.

If you NEED TRT then that's one thing, but you don't know that you need it... You're just wiping your hands and saying, "welp, probably should just go on TRT now since I ran a heavy cycle."

If you really think you're mature enough to make a life decision on a whim, go for it. I think you're setting yourself up for bad news down the road.

Drop the cycle. Do a solid PCT. Get bloodwork, several times if necessary. Hit a solid diet and train hard. If you have a legitimately low testosterone level after that, THEN come back to the question: should I start TRT?
 
A gram of tren and a gram of test for that long, no wonder you feel like shit. Stop what you are doing now before you end up with lasting cardiovascular disease. You are still young, try the power pct and live another day.
 
Eman said:
I believe they will come back with a solid PCT but even if I didn't believe that, I would still say it's worth trying before going straight to TRT.

If you NEED TRT then that's one thing, but you don't know that you need it... You're just wiping your hands and saying, "welp, probably should just go on TRT now since I ran a heavy cycle."

If you really think you're mature enough to make a life decision on a whim, go for it. I think you're setting yourself up for bad news down the road.

Drop the cycle. Do a solid PCT. Get bloodwork, several times if necessary. Hit a solid diet and train hard. If you have a legitimately low testosterone level after that, THEN come back to the question: should I start TRT?
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Oh please stfu, you the first one pushing people to run high dosages of gear. Now all of a sudden you have changed mind. Stop being a hypocrite


He is going to be OK . Hopefully he didn't ran nandrolone that high. Nandrolone is the real heart killer but it's the best bulker
 
EcpertRealistic said:
Oh please stfu, you the first one pushing people to run high dosages of gear. Now all of a sudden you have changed mind. Stop being a hypocrite
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Even if I did suggest excessive dosages, which I don't, it wouldn't hold a candle to the idiocy you peddle on a daily basis in the forum.

People literally have to follow you around from thread to thread to correct you... It's like you're a troll with a head injury.
 
Bullet - it would be good to have blood work done. This will definitively let you know how " out of whack" your body is. It is possible with your age that your not in too bad of shape.

Could be huge psychologically and give you some piece of mind.

Also, being young puts you in a better position for completely recovering. Tough row to hoe, though...
 
Eman said:
I believe TS was indicating that if you have a reasonable cycle, you can come off, recover, and go back to the next cycle. Instead, you're spending a long time on cycle, not making very much progress after 8-10 weeks then having to take an inordinate amount of time to recover. It's counterproductive.
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This is exactly what I meant. IMO you shouldn't do cycles longer than twelve weeks max if you plan on PCTing. The longer you're shut down the harder it is to recover.

I was definitely not saying that you should hop on TRT. TRT is a last resort for when you've crashed your natural test production, or for people who compete professionally. At this point you don't know if you've done that, so I'd do a solid PCT and get bloodwork done to see where you sit.

This game is a marathon, not a sprint. The sprinters don't live very long.
 
Bullet train said:
Hey brothers and sisters of Meso looking for some serious advice!
@Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD
Please chime in, if you can... God bless you guys, and hope your doing very well in life...

So What I've done has been both reckless and wild on all accounts.
A 30 week cycle as follows...

March 11,2017 (first cycle started)

Test E 250MG 1-6
Test E 1G 7-12
Test Ace 100Mg 13-24
Test E 25-30 1G

Tren E 400MG 1-6
Tren E 800MG 7-12
Tren ace 1050Mg 13-24

Is PCT possible to restore natural levels within a timely manner? Or TRT for life? I went into this with the intention of blasting and cruising...

As of today, seeing a high blood pressure reading of 178/90 and also 160/88 which i didn't even have this high on tren 1050MG. (Usually it would never go higher than 140/80)
High blood pressure does run in my family. Although before all this I was around 120/70...

I'm putting myself on TRT at 150MG test E per week for either 3 months, or how ever long it takes to get my body healthy again. Work on cutting some and cardio.

For those that are Interested the 30 week blast, I went from 5'9 132lbs at 6% body fat age 21, to 5'9 180 lbs 10% body fat age 22.

This journey for me has been about aesthetics. I was initially inspired by Jeff sied and zyzz. (I know it was a terrible thing, I was young and confused, and am still young and confused, just not as confused!)

I love bodybuilding, I love life and I would like to do both as long as possible.

And for those that are about to flame this thread! Honestly, have a blast... It's crazy I know.

However, thank you to anyone and everyone who helps and offers meaningful advice!

God bless Everyone, and lets all be safe.
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You are a prime example of why children should not be using gear. The fact that you have the nerve to give anyone advice is just unbelievable. You obviously lack the maturity to safely use gear
 
See I always hate this shit..

Some retard posts up a bullshit cycle and then tags the MDs looking for advice on it.

OP: You'd be lucky if either of those guys wasted the time to come tear you a new asshole in this joke of a thread.
 
You're 5'9 @180 and ran all that?? I know someone personally who went from 140lbs to a stage weight of 180lbs in two years natural. You ran far far far more than he currently uses and he's now surpassed 250lbs.

I'm thankful you're recognizing what you did was stupid and that you're now looking to fix it. I wish I could advise on this, but this is where the actual docs input is extremely valuable
 
Test_Subject said:
This is exactly what I meant. IMO you shouldn't do cycles longer than twelve weeks max if you plan on PCTing. The longer you're shut down the harder it is to recover.

I was definitely not saying that you should hop on TRT. TRT is a last resort for when you've crashed your natural test production, or for people who compete professionally. At this point you don't know if you've done that, so I'd do a solid PCT and get bloodwork done to see where you sit.

This game is a marathon, not a sprint. The sprinters don't live very long.
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I ain't a genius, but I'm guessing this guy fucked himself as far as recovery goes.
 
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