dinfar1337
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ive recently fell in love with lat pullovers.
15-20 kg all you need go home with the 200kg cable row sir
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Anabolic Steroids
My Planned Cycle for Fall/Winter 2025
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15-20 kg all you need go home with the 200kg cable row sir
IndividualMan
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Lat pullovers are goated. However, if you get on one of those machines with an insane lever and no way to hold yourself down you do involuntary levitations
dinfar1337
New Member
i dont like machines at all. only for legs and chest.
legs machines are mandatory and rn machines are better on my elbow than dumbells/barbells are for my injury
IndividualMan
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Really?
I personally love machines that give you a good consistent resistance profile (T-bar row at the right angle, those standing/ leaning hamstring curls, those plate loaded machines for rear delts). Some of them are ass tho.
Obviously they are a must for legs, especially for my cripple/scar leg, lmao
Slowww
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hate to be a science based Tik tok lifter but this is the only machine which I will accept a seatbelt being used for this reason hahaha
IndividualMan
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Seatbelts, yippeee
IndividualMan
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1 full week into the cycle, frontload will be done on the 20th.
will just continue with 365 Test 300EQ for now, and bump up the Test C/add TNE when the AI effects from the EQ become too noticeable on feelz or bloodwork, whichever happens first.
already up 3kgs, just from additional glycogen stores. I look fuller, but my usual gut distension problems do not occurr with my current diet. big win, 72cm waist even with a relatively high fiber/ high protein/high carb/low fat diet.
God praise super short acting (~20min-1hour) Eli Lilly Insulin.
will just continue with 365 Test 300EQ for now, and bump up the Test C/add TNE when the AI effects from the EQ become too noticeable on feelz or bloodwork, whichever happens first.
already up 3kgs, just from additional glycogen stores. I look fuller, but my usual gut distension problems do not occurr with my current diet. big win, 72cm waist even with a relatively high fiber/ high protein/high carb/low fat diet.
God praise super short acting (~20min-1hour) Eli Lilly Insulin.
ChemBB
Member
What every said ^^
EQ takes some 16 odd weeks to saturate, so it titrates itself up
Ramping doses just slows already extraordinarily long process
ChemBB
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I've been doing PPL or a variant for 10 years
Have settled on the below which works best for me
Every body part worked twice per 8 days:
Chest + Tri
Back + Bi + Deadlifts
Shoulders, Traps, Grip Strength
Legs
Rogal69
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In my experience, UL is only good for newer lifters or lifters who are arguably weak. It wrecked me because for me to hit the weights I needed each workout I was toasted. I tried rotating the first lifts as well to target different parts each day but still the same. And they take for fuckin ever to get done if you hit each body part each lift. I much prefer a variation of PPL.
eery
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did you manage you effort levels and volume properly? If you take too many sets to failure or too many worksets in general its not going to work out very well doing upper/lower 4-6x a week.
How did you programming look?
Rogal69
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I did, averaged 2 working sets per muscle group, varied rep range from 6-8 or 10-12 based on main lift for the day or accessory if that makes sense. Never went to true failure as I train alone and don’t like to push that far normally. The problem is having to work up to significant weights to get the desired stimulus for each major group lessens the effectiveness of the latter half of the workout. I have a powerlifting background so I used it for a hypertrophy phase post comp.
An example upper day is as follows;
DB bench press - 2 x 6-8
CG BP - 2 x 10-12
BB Row - 2 x 6-8
OHP of choice - 2 x 10-12
LAT pulldown - 2 x 10-12
Lateral raises - 2 x 10-12
Curls of choice - 3 x 10-12
Tricep work of choice 3 x 10-12
The other issue is trying to cover down on other smaller groups, as the rear delts get hit with proper rows however factoring in a new exercise will force another to come out, and it is challenging to progress properly as you do too much each workout, rather than something like a PPL where I can really crush a specific 1-2 groups and recover, then crush it again.
I ran U/L for about a 6 month period as well and did not see as much progress as I did when I use a PPL or even “bro split”
Objectively weaker lifters can run it starting off and progress rapidly for sure, as it is a much different amount of load doing 2 sets of 6 with 225 pounds on the squat, over 2 sets of 6 with 485 pounds.
An example upper day is as follows;
DB bench press - 2 x 6-8
CG BP - 2 x 10-12
BB Row - 2 x 6-8
OHP of choice - 2 x 10-12
LAT pulldown - 2 x 10-12
Lateral raises - 2 x 10-12
Curls of choice - 3 x 10-12
Tricep work of choice 3 x 10-12
The other issue is trying to cover down on other smaller groups, as the rear delts get hit with proper rows however factoring in a new exercise will force another to come out, and it is challenging to progress properly as you do too much each workout, rather than something like a PPL where I can really crush a specific 1-2 groups and recover, then crush it again.
I ran U/L for about a 6 month period as well and did not see as much progress as I did when I use a PPL or even “bro split”
Objectively weaker lifters can run it starting off and progress rapidly for sure, as it is a much different amount of load doing 2 sets of 6 with 225 pounds on the squat, over 2 sets of 6 with 485 pounds.
IndividualMan
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Cycle is starting to pic kup ~1.5 months in. weight stayed the same even tho I am still cutting, the only measurement going down is the waist (73fasted, 82 end of day)
Training ULRULUR/LURLULR
Currently drinking between 4-6 Liters per day, Eating 2300-2500 Calories (carb cycling for lower days)
Pinning M/F or T/F at the moment, down from M/W/F,
AAS are at 235 TestC 225EQ/ week atm, with a little residual Test D in my system, with occasional Sdrol (1x every other month)
Strength is up in every lift, looks are up, Arm measurements are up, Glutes and hamstrings are growing like crazy, Back strength is up almost 30% for working sets.
This cycle is already the most productive use of AAS since I started.
And its not even close to being done.
Training ULRULUR/LURLULR
Currently drinking between 4-6 Liters per day, Eating 2300-2500 Calories (carb cycling for lower days)
Pinning M/F or T/F at the moment, down from M/W/F,
AAS are at 235 TestC 225EQ/ week atm, with a little residual Test D in my system, with occasional Sdrol (1x every other month)
Strength is up in every lift, looks are up, Arm measurements are up, Glutes and hamstrings are growing like crazy, Back strength is up almost 30% for working sets.
This cycle is already the most productive use of AAS since I started.
And its not even close to being done.
atruse
Member
Great progress dude, getting stronger on a cut is always nice
You planning a bulk phase once this is over? Or just this recomp for now?
You planning a bulk phase once this is over? Or just this recomp for now?
IndividualMan
Member
this cut/recomp will last until i have my 8pack back, currently just 6 abs visible, lowest 2 are still covered. Cut will be over far before the cycle is over. I will probably do a slow gaining phase after I am truly lean, until the 24-28 weeks of the cycle are over. after that its a low TRT dose (75mg-110mg/week)
Hey man how’s your cycle going this far?
IndividualMan
Member
still on track, weight dropped a bit as I dropped tha calories in anticipation of the christmas holidays.
Arms appear to have kept their size nicely, usually they shrivel away around my current bf%. Appearently the bulk I went on or the AAS I am on did their job.
I do think it will take a bit longer to be truly lean, currently I only carry fat on my stomach and legs, albeit the legs are leaning out.
(back is peeled already, striations visible)
Strength is up on all lifts too.
Arms appear to have kept their size nicely, usually they shrivel away around my current bf%. Appearently the bulk I went on or the AAS I am on did their job.
I do think it will take a bit longer to be truly lean, currently I only carry fat on my stomach and legs, albeit the legs are leaning out.
(back is peeled already, striations visible)
Strength is up on all lifts too.
Has your hematocrit stayed under control I saw some of the guys were giving you flak about it being high pre cycle.
IndividualMan
Member
yeah, i got it under control (nattokinase, cardio, not eating like a fat slob/eating clean for the last few months)
I have enalapril on hand in case it creeps up too. Enalapril is THE SHIT for high HCT. drops it by around 4-5 points pretty reliably, just get a phlebotomy to drop it quickly and use the enalapril to decrease new production.
If i get it below 50 (standard hematocrit w/o AAS for me is 51 while dehydrated, which it is at rn, keep in mind i live at relatively high altitude)
I might include some clen towards the end of the cut, my heart can take it hopefully (structurally it is immaculate, 8mm wall thickness in my left ventricle after 1 year of consistent AAS use, my father also has no issues whatsoever regarding heart structure even with almost 2 decades of severe obesity and years of high BP, generally the only thing i might have to consider is my kidneys going bye bye prematurely due to BP)
IndividualMan
Member
I have been off my HCT lowering protocol for more than 6 months now, on about 700mg total AAS now, no GH.
Did labs today, everything is in range, kidney markers are great 80 change from baseline, although baseline is broderline), HCT is 47, liver enzymes are great even tho I am occasionally using Sdrol. Lipids are a bit fucked due to holiday foods & sdrol probably
Weight is back up to 83kgs completely fasted/dry, walking around at 86kgs.
height increased?? am measuring in at 186.9 in the mornings, 184 in the evenings. strange.
continously getting a bit bigger/leaner, seeing clear changes week to week.
Waist size is decreasing as well. FAt is slowly peeling off my arms again, insides are peeled, now the outsides are going to get leaner again. back is striated, stomach is a bit fat though still.
Might incorporate some tirz/reta next year, just to get truly shredded for good so I can start bulking with proper peace of mind.
Cardio is at 15 min/day 6 days/week HIT, will probably start doing another 10 minutes of cardio every other day.
The sdrol feels like fast forwarding time 1 month. I just look the way i looked with my sdrol pump about a month afterwards after a normal gym session.
Wish I could fast forward time to get to a place where I can use all the cool PEDs I want to use. Test+EQ works too well for now to warrant crazy cycles/compounds, so I will wait. next up will be the tirz/reta and some GH.
But one day I will use all of my dream compounds, and probably be disappointed.
Did labs today, everything is in range, kidney markers are great 80 change from baseline, although baseline is broderline), HCT is 47, liver enzymes are great even tho I am occasionally using Sdrol. Lipids are a bit fucked due to holiday foods & sdrol probably
Weight is back up to 83kgs completely fasted/dry, walking around at 86kgs.
height increased?? am measuring in at 186.9 in the mornings, 184 in the evenings. strange.
continously getting a bit bigger/leaner, seeing clear changes week to week.
Waist size is decreasing as well. FAt is slowly peeling off my arms again, insides are peeled, now the outsides are going to get leaner again. back is striated, stomach is a bit fat though still.
Might incorporate some tirz/reta next year, just to get truly shredded for good so I can start bulking with proper peace of mind.
Cardio is at 15 min/day 6 days/week HIT, will probably start doing another 10 minutes of cardio every other day.
The sdrol feels like fast forwarding time 1 month. I just look the way i looked with my sdrol pump about a month afterwards after a normal gym session.
Wish I could fast forward time to get to a place where I can use all the cool PEDs I want to use. Test+EQ works too well for now to warrant crazy cycles/compounds, so I will wait. next up will be the tirz/reta and some GH.
But one day I will use all of my dream compounds, and probably be disappointed.
